It's not "in response" to the first one. The reviewers have been terrible for as long as I remember. I think the critical consensus is wrong on most things. This is my default stance toward all reviews.
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Edge #304 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild special
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It's not "in response" to the first one. The reviewers have been terrible for as long as I remember. I think the critical consensus is wrong on most things. This is my default stance toward all reviews.
MrSaturn99
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Man, some of the arguments in here...
Having come off a recent 100% replay, I absolutely agree the desert segments are the best part but the forest/volcano feel so ordinary even by themselves. The dense "compact" design just didn't do it for me.
Having come off a recent 100% replay, I absolutely agree the desert segments are the best part but the forest/volcano feel so ordinary even by themselves. The dense "compact" design just didn't do it for me.
Looking forward to the thread almost as much as the game itself at this rate going by the past few pages of this thread alone.
I actually liked the compact sections of the Volcano area. It made the puzzle backtracking less annoying.
GinoFelino
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???
An opinion can't be formed on something that can be readily be proven true/false. In regards to this, you can have an opinion on how good BotW is. You can't have an opinion on it's resolution or framerate issues that pop up. Those are undisputed facts, whether it matters to you personally is an opinion.
I would love if this Zelda game, without the handholdy shit of past 3D Zeldas would be extremely influential for the future of video games.
It certainly would be better than the influence that Assassin's Creed 2 has exerted over the years onto big budget games.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Wow! That's a damn solid list. I'd agree with all the bolded. But what's more impressive, I only have maybe 5-10 more games, total, I'd put on that list.
Only big, huge games it's missing, IMO, is Majora's Mask, FFIX, Halo 2, KOTOR, Hotline Miami.
Discomurf
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Maybe, but I would be surprised that would bother going through the trouble to take it out. It would be nice if the Wii U version had somethibg going for it. Makes the decision of getting that version a little easier.
What The Forest Taught Me
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This is fantastic.
yeah I missed austin. I didn't realize he had been doing his own podcast.
Punished_Snake
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If you watched footage for both, you can easly see it. Horizon is more predictable and less sandboxy.
DragonKnight
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Oh just the usual shit you've probably come to expect from the human race: a disaster.
Zelda is more free-form than Horizon from what I gather
Yeah, there's basically none. You can say some of its smaller components are influential, though.
Game saving - ubiquitous. no more continue codes
Z-targeting - was very popular for about 10 years but is gone now
Qualitative level-up instead of traditional RPG quantiative leveling - sort of popular with games like Metroid and Metal Gear. quantitative leveling is more popular now
Very few games use auto-jump (Harry Potter 2 is the only one I can think of, and even this Zelda is ditching it).
Very few game series have the same kind of quasi continuity - either no continuity (Mario) or only continuity (Metal Gear)
Evidently people don't like it when you upset their hype party or try to inject healthy skepticism. It seems the acceptable opinion is to be totally positive at all times and to accept every game we haven't played yet as an indisputable masterpiece.
What The Forest Taught Me
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Yes indeed. Hopefully Ubisoft'll head back to the drawing board (a drawing board marked with a waypoint on their office maps...) in terms of open world design. They certainly do a lot of other things right.
Binary level up benefits are why I hate the Metroid-vanias. Such a cop-out and waters down the entire thing.
I'm not a native speaker , but from what I understand an opinion (a thought or belief about something or someone) is subjective and accurate point towards something objective that can clearly be proved / measured , so how something can be subjective and objective at same time ? It breaks logic itself
Just to be clear I'm talking about stuff like getting the Screw Attack, not Heart Containers.
This is a live question in the philosophy of art and beauty.
For further reading, see: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/beauty/#ObjSub
Yeah, I understand. I just think involving something like that in the game structure is infinitely better than 'LEVEL UP!'
What The Forest Taught Me
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For some games, I like what I call "fuzzy progression," but for others, I prefer numbers-based leveling.
With that said though, I'd love to experience a 2D Metroid with the gear variety and numerical level/stat progression of SotN. Imagine the armor aesthetics possibilities / weapon combination possibilities!
Why do you think I was talking about your posts?🤔
Lol
I didn't think you had my posts in mind specifically, I just used your post as a springboard to complain about what I saw as the unacceptable state of the thread.
Opinions are formed on things that have been proven false all the time. Take flat earth theory or creationism as examples.
Not trying to pick on you since in the context where you used it (SS is a great game in your opinion) it's completely valid as a subjective opinion.
Do you have an argument? Yes, I mostly dislike the Zelda series and also think all reviews should be taken with skepticism.
Obviously some people in this thread are trying to read my mind and discredit me just because I also mostly dislike this series. But do my posts look like someone who is just trying to shit on Zelda? I never said it will certainly be bad or anything like that. To me it sounds like it will be good since it seems influenced by the first game. However I just think it's bad for the industry for people to get this hyped about a game that is not out yet, especially based on reviews from the mainstream press which has historically failed to accurate assess games.
I will never understand why people try to rain on other's parades....
let them set themselves up for dissapointment if thats what they want to do, constantly going " DON'T TRUST DEM DAMN DURTY REVIEWERSSSSSS" only serves to make you look like a crazy person.
Honestly, most of us should be able to tell if a game is for them or not by just looking at it and reviews and previews only serve to validate those initial feelings while learning of any potential downsides we haven't heard of.
But this need to run up in a thread of people being excited for a game they are obviously interested in and going "stop being excited" only makes you look like a tool...even if you intention may be to prevent them from being let down. Let them cook, man.
let them set themselves up for dissapointment if thats what they want to do, constantly going " DON'T TRUST DEM DAMN DURTY REVIEWERSSSSSS" only serves to make you look like a crazy person.
Honestly, most of us should be able to tell if a game is for them or not by just looking at it and reviews and previews only serve to validate those initial feelings while learning of any potential downsides we haven't heard of.
But this need to run up in a thread of people being excited for a game they are obviously interested in and going "stop being excited" only makes you look like a tool...even if you intention may be to prevent them from being let down. Let them cook, man.
Lmaoooo
What you said is not unacceptable in any way but it looks like your annoying passive aggressiveness certainly is😅
Whatever tho😉
FloweryMarston
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they are releasing on the same week as console exclusive open world games
Some more of that good ol' unhealthy hype. Yum.
What if people think EDGE has historically been a good barometer? Then being excited for this high score is promising.
This isn't Biogamergirl.
Audioboxer
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Confuses me. I thought just about everyone loves a good Zelda game? Like Pokemon I always seen it as one of those franchises everyone roots for, and everyone gets excited when it reviews well.
Maybe I'm just out of touch with Zelda fandom lol.
Protagonists both use bows. Both have a post-apocalyptic setting with machines roaming around. Both seem to feature plots that revolve around finding out what happened in the past. Both are open world games. That's... about it, just gets amplified due to their close proximity to one another.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Isn't it still largely present in 3D action games?
Hmmm wasn't the director on the 2D games? Okay, looked it up and it seems he came in with the Capcom guys and was on the 2D-line post Link's Awakening up until Skyward Sword, which he took on instead of Spirit Tracks. You definitely get the feeling that Skyward Sword was developed in conversation with the handheld games, as evidenced in, say, the way they handed out map charts. (Which is also why I really hope Switch gets 2D Zeldas too. Nintendo could really use them, as it has, as a laboratory of sorts with quicker development time and cheaper budget compared to the labors of making a 3D Zelda).
As to the bolded, two points:
1) This is probably why Metroid is better suited to the puzzle and gadget gameplay than Zelda. In its best entries, unpredictability is brought into play by the fact that it doesn't have the overworld-dungeon paradigm. You get new powers, you use them in various places. The focus on traversal powers and platforming also pushes the powers to be relevant more often. The more Zelda-like entries, Prime 2 & 3 and Fusion are an interesting case to think about in much the same way SS is interesting to think about as the more Metroid-like Zelda.
An interesting thing to figure out will be if BotW pushes heavy and varied use of, say, the Sheikah slate powers through heavy overworld design. I think, from what we've seen, we're going to get mostly a lot of uses for the standard loot, but I'm hoping you do get special powers that change what you can do in the world, rather than just changing how you can do it.
2) Smaller point, but this is also hitting on one of the reasons the double claw shot was cool. Suddenly an old item had new life.
I guess the thing with me and Zelda is I don't really begrudge it so much its predictability. I really like the gameflow and going along with it.
Not entirely. 3D action games often have a target lock you can toggle but Zelda has a press-and -hold approach not many other games use AFAIK.
LordOcidax
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reelbigtink
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What's up with folks dismissing critical analysis of a medium? Reviews matter. They always have.
Like, Roger Ebert wasn't just some schmo who started writing about movies for the heck of it. He had years of experience and a keen eye for art. His analysis was to be taken seriously because he just downright knew more about film than the average movie-goer. Same thing with reputable video game reviewers.
Like, Roger Ebert wasn't just some schmo who started writing about movies for the heck of it. He had years of experience and a keen eye for art. His analysis was to be taken seriously because he just downright knew more about film than the average movie-goer. Same thing with reputable video game reviewers.
Boy Wander
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When every single preview has been positive and a review from probably the most respected print magazine dedicated to gaming gives it their highest accolade, what else are people supposed to think. Add to that the fact that you've already stated that you think Zelda is the most overrated of series and you've got someone who is swimming against the tide of popular opinion. A lot of people love Zelda and it's dear to their hearts. A game in the Zelda series (mainline 3d) generally only releases once every 5 years or so. A Zelda game being released is an event to a lot of people, like 3D Mario or GTA is an event. People get hyped because they love the series. What's healthy about your scepticism other than you going "me, me, I don't like Zelda so you should all be sceptical about this game that every outlet, hands on impression, preview, review, passing glance, quick look etc has been positive about". It just smacks of being obtuse for the sake of it.
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