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can you please not post excerpts from mein kamph in this thread

 

[Aggelos]

 

[SJRB]

"Here's how to deactivate your Twitter account", they post on Twitter.

Let's see if the Verge leads by example.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Im reading his own words.

By his own definition of what "free speech" is it would relax the restrictions and sanctions put in place by Twitter against Russian State media.


Now he may make an exception given the genocide in Ukraine, but by his own words that's what would happen.

His definition of free speech was the definition for a very long time before people tried silencing naughty words they don't like and created the hate speech rhetoric.

And I love how you put free speech is quotes.

"Oh god, he believes in fucking 'free speech' you know. My god, can you imagine?"

 

[GHG]

 

[Vicetrailia]

But people do that now though, with zero repercussion.

It's just ideologically approved. We get it.

Republicans can do the exact same thing that democrats do on twitter. They just can’t go to the extra mile of that ideology.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Republicans can do the exact same thing that democrats do on twitter.

Now they can.

 

[DKehoe]

They are contradictory forces to an extent, but figure that 1,000 top engineers are put on it. It could be public but very difficult to outmaneuver.

I think that's one of the things that's going to be fascinating about Twitter going private. They're probably going to be more direct about recognising issues and attempting to tackle them rather than coasting along and playing it safe by maintaining the service's status quo.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Now they can.

Then twitter will burn to the ground. You can’t even do that on neogaf.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

Why?

I don't know how to elaborate without breaking the no politics rule.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Republicans can do the exact same thing that democrats do on twitter. They just can’t go to the extra mile of that ideology.

And Democrats can go start their own companies. Completely worker owned and all that socialist jazz.

I won't ever have to see them, those companies don't succeed.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Then twitter will burn to the ground.

 

[GHG]

Well at least this looks to be more accurate than their build a PC video.

They are making progress, baby steps.

 

[Shizumapower]

 

[p_xavier]

I use twitter for porn, so authenticating all humans I might not stay on the platform. Privacy is as much of importance than free speech.

 

[Saber]

Imagine the amount of pedos losing their minds at Reera.

Couldn't care for twitter. But the amount of mentally ill people making a big end of world drama is enought to make my day.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The best thing to come out of this, are scum like Parag being a short lived flex.

 

[Dr Bass]

Now to really piss people off, instate Joe Rogan as CEO.

 

[Nobody_Important]

His definition of free speech was the definition for a very long time before people tried silencing naughty words they don't like and created the hate speech rhetoric.

And I love how you put free speech is quotes.

"Oh god, he believes in fucking 'free speech' you know. My god, can you imagine?"

I don't agree that Free speech should mean that anything and everything goes no matter what. I don't believe that hate speech falls under free speech. That's why I put that in quotes.

I'm hoping that Musk is smart enough to still not allow slurs and other hate related speech. Otherwise he is going to see advertisers run for the hills.

 

[Pagusas]

For once I might actually look at using twitter. We'll see what he does with the platform.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't agree that Free speech should mean that anything and everything goes no matter what. I don't believe that hate speech falls under free speech. That's why I put that in quotes.

I'm hoping that Musk is smart enough to still not allow slurs and other hate related speech. Otherwise he is going to see advertisers run for the hills.

Of course he will, even Truth Social does this.

Stop with the "sky is falling" theatrics.

 

[sircaw]

All I can say is, that this is a great day for freedom of speech.

 

[Dr Bass]

I don't agree that Free speech should mean that anything and everything goes no matter what. I don't believe that hate speech falls under free speech. That's why I put that in quotes.

I'm hoping that Musk is smart enough to still not allow slurs and other hate related speech. Otherwise he is going to see advertisers run for the hills.

It doesn't matter what you think in this case.

"Hate speech" is protected, as unanimously affirmed by the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court Affirms Hate Speech Protected

First Amendment expert, Eugene Volokh writes that in Matal v. Tam, also known as the “Slants” case, the “justices made clear that speech that some view as racially offensive is […]

firstamendmentwatch.org

 

[Bladed Thesis]

I don't agree that Free speech should mean that anything and everything goes no matter what. I don't believe that hate speech falls under free speech. That's why I put that in quotes.

I'm hoping that Musk is smart enough to still not allow slurs and other hate related speech. Otherwise he is going to see advertisers run for the hills.

Hate speech does fall under free speech. Always has.

Somebody saying really mean words to you? Walk away. Or scroll down on the browser.

Like, come on, its not preschool where you have to react to every mean thing said to you.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Then we are both on the same page. You won’t get the free speech that you wish you could have on a mainstream platform.

 

[p_xavier]

I don't agree that Free speech should mean that anything and everything goes no matter what. I don't believe that hate speech falls under free speech. That's why I put that in quotes.

I'm hoping that Musk is smart enough to still not allow slurs and other hate related speech. Otherwise he is going to see advertisers run for the hills.

Misgendering, a concept that can't be defined properly. is consideree hate speech here and you can go in prison. So 'hate speech' can be just an excuse to restrict free speech.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Then we are both on the same people. You won’t get the free speech that you wish you could have on a mainstream platform.

I'll entertain your projection.

What free speech do you think I wish I could have?

 

[LordCBH]

Imagine the amount of pedos losing their minds at Reera.

Couldn't care for twitter. But the amount of mentally ill people making a big end of world drama is enought to make my day.

Don’t worry. They’ll just go back to their mod/admin run pedo server that they banned talking about.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Hate speech does fall under free speech. Always has.

Somebody saying really mean words to you? Walk away. Or scroll down on the browser.

Like, come on, its not preschool where you have to react to every mean thing said to you.

When someone is bullying you, you will put them in their fucking place, or go to a place without them and exclude them from it.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Hate speech does fall under free speech. Always has.

Agree to disagree.

Hopefully Musk does as well or Twitter is going to be worthless relatively quickly.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Agree to disagree.

Not that I agree with using certain language, but you can't disagree with the constitutional legality, it is literally a ruling by the highest court of the land.

You can "feel" it isn't, but that does not make it a fact.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I'll entertain your projection.

What free speech do you think I wish I could have?

If it is the typical conservative whinefest. You want to be able to be an asshole to people without fear of being banned.

Reducing bots is not free speech, that is curating content fyi.

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

Live pictures from Resetera;

No doubt triggering ptsd of when they got bought out. Those were some good times.

Haven't been keeping up on any changes around that, but it doesn't sound like much changed over there. It was making money though.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I'm excited

 

[jorgejjvr]

Agree to disagree.

Hopefully Musk does as well or Twitter is going to be worthless relatively quickly.

yeah, it is part of free speech

 

[DeepEnigma]

If it is the typical conservative whinefest. You want to be able to be an asshole to people without fear of being banned.

Reducing bots is not free speech, that is curating content fyi.

 

[Xenon]

He fucking did it!


The big concern I have is the number of people who work at the company who will continue to push their agenda behind the scenes and deep in the code. It's not like all the people who made Twitter what it is now have left.

If I was Musk Id go through HR records of employees who left or were let go to find people who were not cool with the direction the company was headed.

 

[nocsi]

I don't agree that Free speech should mean that anything and everything goes no matter what. I don't believe that hate speech falls under free speech. That's why I put that in quotes.

I'm hoping that Musk is smart enough to still not allow slurs and other hate related speech. Otherwise he is going to see advertisers run for the hills.

What’s the point? Blocking slurs and other *hate speech* just causes people to speak in code in or otherwise passive aggressive rhetoric. You can’t change people by blocking speech, might as well let people openly talk so you can better identify and address them.

 

[Dr Bass]

Agree to disagree.

Hopefully Musk does as well or Twitter is going to be worthless relatively quickly.

Good luck with that. Do you also feel murder is ok? What about theft?

Just curious what other bedrock laws of the land you got your own personal feelings on.

Here is a question. Why would you even want that? We see plenty of white hate going on right now. Do you think that is "hate speech" and do you want that suppressed? If some clown is like "I think Asian people are ruining this country" wouldn't you rather he feel he can say so you know who the idiots are? Why would you want people like that to not only hold stupid opinions, but be made to feel like they can't express them, like that doesn't make it worse?

Get it all out in the open so you can battle ideas. Quit being afraid of words. The absolute weakness inherent in such a position should be enough to turn you away from holding it IMO. I mean how much of a wimp can a person be?

 

[Raven117]

Agree to disagree.

Hopefully Musk does as well or Twitter is going to be worthless relatively quickly.

Cool. I'm just glad your opinion doesn't matter on this. But this opinion does. Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. 443 (2011).

 

[DeepEnigma]

Get it all out in the open so you can battle ideas.

 

[Raven117]

Good luck with that. Do you also feel murder is ok? What about theft?

Just curious what other bedrock laws of the land you got your own personal feelings on.

Here is a question. Why would you even want that? We see plenty of white hate going on right now. Do you think that is "hate speech" and do you want that suppressed? If some clown is like "I think Asian people are ruining this country" wouldn't you rather he feel he can say so you know who the idiots are? Why would you want people like that to not only hold stupid opinions, but be made to feel like they can't express them, like that doesn't make it worse?

Get it all out in the open so you can battle ideas. Quit being afraid of words. The absolute weakness inherent in such a position should be enough to turn you away from holding it IMO. I mean how much of a wimp can a person be?

No need to engage with Nobody_Imporant on this. Under American jurisprudence, he is wrong. On this, he has no interest in changing. So just let it be.

 

[Catphish]

Get it all out in the open so you can battle ideas. Quit being afraid of words.

The challenge of the fucking century.

 

[ape2man]

This is good i made some nice money from this deal. Thank you Elon

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Hahahaha this is hilarious. Did musk say if he'd allow trump back on?

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

Taken at face value getting rid of bots will help Western countries a lot.

 

[Moneal]

What’s the point? Blocking slurs and other *hate speech* just causes people to speak in code in or otherwise passive aggressive rhetoric. You can’t change people by blocking speech, might as well let people openly talk so you can better identify and address them.

But the left loves "dogwhistles". How else can they call normal people racist for using a hand sign that has been used for years to denote agreement.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Cool. I'm just glad your opinion doesn't matter on this. But this opinion does. Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. 443 (2011).

You're right my opinion doesn't matter. The opinions of the companies and advertisers on Twitter matters though.


And if Musk is actually dumb enough to allow that kind of stuff onto the platform then they will be letting their opinions be known by leaving the platform. No business would want to be associated with something like that.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You either believe in freedom of speech or you don't. Hence the polarized effect.

You will continue to not have freedom of speech on twitter, just as you don't here, on NeoGAF.com.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Good luck with that. Do you also feel murder is ok? What about theft?

Just curious what other bedrock laws of the land you got your own personal feelings on.

Here is a question. Why would you even want that? We see plenty of white hate going on right now. Do you think that is "hate speech" and do you want that suppressed? If some clown is like "I think Asian people are ruining this country" wouldn't you rather he feel he can say so you know who the idiots are? Why would you want people like that to not only hold stupid opinions, but be made to feel like they can't express them, like that doesn't make it worse?

Get it all out in the open so you can battle ideas. Quit being afraid of words. The absolute weakness inherent in such a position should be enough to turn you away from holding it IMO. I mean how much of a wimp can a person be?

Sociopaths who want to spew hate speech from the rooftops don’t have ideas, they just want to be evil. They are deemed sociopathic and get deplatformed so that society can prosper, and make more money.