Milly Osworth
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Someone make a concept drawing of the fanny pack you need to carry all the NX buttons, sticks, controllers and cartridges.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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GhostTrick
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X1 at 500Mhz consume 1.5W, but that is solely for the GPU. You're not factoring memory or CPU here. The point is that Nvidia has a great power consumption for GPUs. Better than PowerVR as X1 GPU consummed 1 less watt than iPad Air 2 GPU for the same performances.
It's not gimping a chip because if Nintendo is only licensing it to produce their custom chip, it could mean they want something different.
It's not about expectations, it's about reading correctly the informations we're getting.
Well, Wii U speculations for hardware started from 1Teraflop to end up all down to 176gflops. That's more than 5.5 times lower
Bitanator
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that vast draw distance came out of a weak as midget dick cpu as well
Yeah people need to realize the next Nintendo portable may really well be able to do way better than that, with a crystal sharp IQ on a 5" screen. That's just science fiction for portable game play.
Seeing this gif just reminds me that whether this thing uses X1 or X2 or a custom N1, whether it's viciously underclocked to save battery or not, whether there's a home console coming or not...
...don't worry about the future, it's alright.
wild wild rice
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Donovan1209
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It's mindblowing what Nintendo can do with crummy hardware.
And I'm saying that your pessimism is unfounded, unless you think the fan is there just as a precaution. We don't even know the size of the thing either. It could be a small tablet and thus capable of running at the same speed as the Pixel C.
You said that the dev kit was downgraded in those steps, not that those were speculated ALU counts. And again, it being 160 was never confirmed.
wild wild rice
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Exactly. I've been playing Wii U right alongside PS4 all gen and really have no qualms. Most of their games look and run beautifully.
James Scott
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Xenoblade is super impressive. Yeah, the characters are kind of ugly and there's very little collision, but the scale and being able to fly anywhere (the scene where you fly out of the city 😩
is all pretty crazy.Having that tech ready at the beginning of the generation for them is excellent as they can take full advantage of the work they put in the Wii U.
I love cpu/gpu speculation before new console unveiling. They always go from realistic to extremely hopeful to disappointment.
It's Nintendo, they go for good enough performance and higher profit margins on their hardware. And if this will be "cheap" it most likely won't have the latest gpu tech. If Nvidia by some weird reason is selling it to them cheaper than older stuff, and why would they do that?
It's Nintendo, they go for good enough performance and higher profit margins on their hardware. And if this will be "cheap" it most likely won't have the latest gpu tech. If Nvidia by some weird reason is selling it to them cheaper than older stuff, and why would they do that?
ShockingAlberto
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Nintendo is good at getting blood from a stone.
They're also really bad at learning new stones.
GhostTrick
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I never said the devkit was downgraded you misreaded me. I said people speculated when first hardware infos were leaked and that when the R700 name was first seen, it quickly became RV770. Even IGN putted together a Project Café specced PC around an HD4850.
Also, I'm not being pessimistic here. You're reading whatever you want, I'm just telling you people to progress with caution and avoid shortcuts such as Pascal = Tegra Next Specs = Faster than X1.
As for the 160 alu, it's confirmed now since the die shots.
Yeah, same. Art style counts for a whoooole lot.
Yup. Especially compared to the 3DS.
That too! Monolith has some fucking amazing engineers on their team for sure.
Why would you need a fanny-pack? Just get a dope-ass messenger bag to carry shit in.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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People make light of the Wii U's power but in every category, the 3DS was most in need of an upgrade.
Bitanator
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Damn when even MuchoMalo call some member pessimistic and hyperbolic you know you be stepping out of bounds
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Aha.
Davey Cakes
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The NX is going to be leaps and bounds more powerful than 3DS and Vita. Of course, the efficiency of Pascal will be a god send for battery life, most importantly. You can't offer an on-the-go system with Wii U Gamepad-like battery life. Apparently Nintendo realized this!
Handheld gamers should be THRILLED.
I prefer console experiences to handheld but that could very likely change if Nintendo truly releases a beast.
Handheld gamers should be THRILLED.
I prefer console experiences to handheld but that could very likely change if Nintendo truly releases a beast.
McHuj
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I'm not sure, but the X1 has sufficient BW for better than WiiU gaming on a HD TV, however, I think Nintendo will size the handhelds components for the screen and battery life of the handheld.
I'm hoping the base can offer additional processing for TV gaming. Hopefully that's what those supplemental computing device patents indicate.
To my understanding, the die shots left that as the most likely case, but it wasn't totally confirmed. Since it's pessimistic everyone obviously takes it as fact, but the die shots aren't enough for full confirmation.
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DrROBschiz
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Donovan1209
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As improvements in technology yield smaller and smaller improvements in games, aesthetics and gameplay will be king. Nintendo is pretty good at both of those.
X1 at 500Mhz consume 1.5W, but that is solely for the GPU. You're not factoring memory or CPU here. The point is that Nvidia has a great power consumption for GPUs. Better than PowerVR as X1 GPU consummed 1 less watt than iPad Air 2 GPU for the same performances.
It's not gimping a chip because if Nintendo is only licensing it to produce their custom chip, it could mean they want something different.
It's not about expectations, it's about reading correctly the informations we're getting.
Well, Wii U speculations for hardware started from 1Teraflop to end up all down to 176gflops. That's more than 5.5 times lower
Yeah that's why i'm cautious to..
And there is the gimmick, that dual controller thing. We don't know. What if that uses a lot of watts and Nintendo wants it so they need an extra low power consumption for the rest. And they can totally think "Vita graphics are a fine upgrade" you know. Always be cautious with those ones, always..
I noticed everyone is hyped about that console for power and shared library but when you try to imagine it at some point you're like "ha shit there is this detachable controllers that we have no idea how they work and what they bring, hmmm will that ruin everything ??" You had almost everything right Nintendo!
Unfortunately it's always the same problem. I can see how that detachable controller thing can be a draw for the casual gamers. And Nintendo wants and needs that. At least that's what they think. So they cannot just give "us" what we want. They can do the perfect gaming device right now, but are we enough for them ?
I think the worse part is that.. Nintendo in beast mode with an unified hardware, all their software, capacity to create super popular new ips, the japan stuff (Vita is dying so they have the market for them in Japan, wich is a mistake by Sony), the kids stuffs, the fact that many people boycotting portable gameplay could be interested by this one for obvious reasons (power, tv mode, console scaled games...).. I think Nintendo could have its own really big market this time, without blue ocean nor red ocean. I mean that even without replacing XBO/PS4, not selling a fad to grandmas, they could still have a big market on their own.
GhostTrick
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I mean, we clearly identified the ALU parts in the die shots. It's basically confirmed. It's not about being pessimistic, it's a fact. The die shots are more than enough.
I learned one thing with Wii U: Nintendo can always go worse than you imagine. 352gflops was the most pessimistic prediction for the GPU. It ended up twice lower.
I learned one other thing with Vita: Hardware specs, even when officially disclosed, can be misleading without clocks. Vita ended up 2 to 3 times slower than what the sheet specs could make people believe.
It's a damn controller...
Davey Cakes
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Me too! And I've been playing my 3DS a lot recently.
Can you imagine getting something that's 100 times better? With unified development support?
It's exciting.
joecanada
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Well if by we you mean hardcore Nintendo fans then probably it will be fine.
But if it doesn't kick the shit (or at least compete) out of actual devices that steal marketshare - tablets, phones, etc then Nintendo is going to have a problem...
except maybe in japan.
Maybe I missed something if that's true, but I've seen that thread and what I remember is that someone said that something was weird and everyone then came to that conclusion.
I'm really interested in seeing that Darksiders remaster. If it's really 160 SPs, the Wii U version should run at like 15FPS.
Absolutely. The idea to have Xenoblade X level of graphics on a handheld is kinda mindblowing and definitely much better than what I would have expected from Nintendo's next handheld (which was more along the lines of a slightly better Vita).
Console-wise the performance might be disappointing, but on the handheld side it'd be a huge step up.
Really ?
If it's two controllers, with their own wireless system, battery, gyro and who knows how many techs in it.. Nintendo can totally dedicate a biiig part of their ressources for a console on the gimmick. Look at the gamepad and how it tanked the price of the WiiU. If they believe in a thing..
wild wild rice
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Power is nice and all, but what I really want from NX is solid ergonomics.
How will this work for games with two versions or that play differently. Does this essentially kill ever getting a handheld style zedla or Mario.
We know DQX is coming would the game run a dual.mode to switch game styles depending on which version is running.
You guys expecting a price announcement in September .
We know DQX is coming would the game run a dual.mode to switch game styles depending on which version is running.
You guys expecting a price announcement in September .
Games won't need two versions. That's the whole purpose. All Marios and Zeldas will be portable, theoretically.
GhostTrick
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Now, as a more positive note, if it's based on Pascal and more specifically Tegra Next (so, 3SMM as speculated), we could end up with a handheld which could land into the 230gflops territory in the worst case (300mhz) up to 1Tflop if running at full clock when docked (which I would assume, close to 1200mhz)
And their own battery. You charge the battery and that's how they get power. The only things affecting power consumption on the device's end are the Bluetooth connection and processing. Unless there's some additional gimmick to the controller/controllers, there's no reason to believe that it would have any major effect on power consumption.
I'm sticking with 256 GFLOPS as the minimum with two SMs at 500MHz. There's no reason for them to lower than that. For the best case, 3 SMs at 700MHz. You're forgetting about the fact that FinFET allows much higher clock speeds than older Planar processes, so 300MHz is way too low. That said, I'm also assuming a much larger screen than even Vita, meaning a larger heatsink and battery.
Okami Haundo
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What makes you think the wireless, battery and gyro controls would be built into the detachable controller parts? I personally think that the detachable controls will be pretty dumb and rely on whatever they attach to. This allows them to sell a pro-style controller, containing the above-mentioned parts, on it's own that can be used for dedicated at-home play.
Davey Cakes
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Agreed. OG 3DS was really uncomfortable for me and 3DS XL is only marginally better.
TheMagician
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They were selling NX in GAME
That's interesting if possible yeah
ShockingAlberto
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NXL will probably be fine.
RobFox64tm
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I honestly think Eurogamer just misunderstood their sources when interpreting this part of the rumor.
I'm expecting a down-clocked SoC to keep power envelope low. Not sure that they'll use the dock to throttle up either, doesn't seem very Nintendo. I'd gladly be wrong though.
As a handheld gamer, I'm happy either way. Hopefully it's as well thought through as the DS and the Wii. I felt the 3DS and the WiiU were not as elegant.
As a handheld gamer, I'm happy either way. Hopefully it's as well thought through as the DS and the Wii. I felt the 3DS and the WiiU were not as elegant.
A Link to the Past
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Their point is that they're worried that NX won't have 2D Zeldas
WiiU had two types of Mario, it's ok
What's the point of a dock if it doesn't power it up, it wouldn't even be more expensive and it would allow for higher tv resolutions.
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