He was a missed opportunity just like Jihl and Rosch.
All the characters had good visual designs and concepts behind them but they were underutilized and never fully fleshed out.
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Final Fantasy XV tech demo presentation by Tabata (Demo gameplay details added)
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He was a missed opportunity just like Jihl and Rosch.
All the characters had good visual designs and concepts behind them but they were underutilized and never fully fleshed out.
This was never advertised as an evolution of KH. Hell, it hasn't even been advertised. It was being handled by the KH2 team and some of the things Noctis did looked like Kingdom Hearts.
Where have they ever said it would play like KH?
stargateheaven
Member
cant wait to meet wedge and biggs
Exentryk
Member
Thanks for sharing those details, Verendus. It's what I thought would be the control scheme.
Also, weapon switching has been in since the 2011 trailers. We got a good look at it in the E3 2013 trailers, and is also in these TGS trailers. You can see Noctis do different weapon combos on different enemies. If it were automated, your combo would be the same everytime.
I like the idea of how warping works. Hold R2, then cycle through the targets (enemies or locations) and then release to warp. Magic works the same but with a different button (L2). The only thing here is that you'd be limited to one magic spell only. Or may be 4 if you include L2 + face buttons. I am okay with this as it will make it more seamless.
Finally, auto attack with L1 for weapon switch is fine. It's probably something you'd need to play yourself to get the feel for it, as currently mashing the button seems superior. But if you think about it, Holding Attack, and then pressing L1 occasionally is essentially button mashing. In this case, the button mashing is switching weapons, and that'll give you a similar feedback.
Having said that, I like the idea of having a chain on and off button, so you could turn off the auto attack if you want to.
Anyway. I am looking forward to experiencing this.
Also, weapon switching has been in since the 2011 trailers. We got a good look at it in the E3 2013 trailers, and is also in these TGS trailers. You can see Noctis do different weapon combos on different enemies. If it were automated, your combo would be the same everytime.
I like the idea of how warping works. Hold R2, then cycle through the targets (enemies or locations) and then release to warp. Magic works the same but with a different button (L2). The only thing here is that you'd be limited to one magic spell only. Or may be 4 if you include L2 + face buttons. I am okay with this as it will make it more seamless.
Finally, auto attack with L1 for weapon switch is fine. It's probably something you'd need to play yourself to get the feel for it, as currently mashing the button seems superior. But if you think about it, Holding Attack, and then pressing L1 occasionally is essentially button mashing. In this case, the button mashing is switching weapons, and that'll give you a similar feedback.
Having said that, I like the idea of having a chain on and off button, so you could turn off the auto attack if you want to.
Anyway. I am looking forward to experiencing this.
same but its likely nothing more than an awesome little video at this point.
They said it was an action-RPG being made by the KH2 team and when people saw it that's exactly what it looked like.
Can't really blame people for putting 2 and 2 together.
Death Penalty
Member
The weapon switching makes it sound like you have nothing BUT control. Just looking at the tech demo makes that more than plain, I feel. Noctis does a variety of different moves, such as opening with a sweep of his spear. I don't get all the whining about holding down a button to string attacks, either. There is no appreciable difference between mashing X to do combos and holding down X. Add in weaving weapons into strings of combos to vary attacks for different situations and this sounds to me like it's MORE responsive and deep than tapping to attack.
As you said, we will see. Nothing is set in stone and we have no guarantees yet. Everything demonstrated here however seems to me to counter indicate anything resembling autopilot.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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I think it has to do with people knowing it was the KH team and director making a game that looked sort of like the KH combat and fantasizing about a darker, edgier, more FF centric KH-style game in a time when the next major KH wasn't even announced (and wasn't looking likely to be announced given the team was busy with Versus XIII) and they have just held onto that fantasy for all these years.
Let it go.
Still looks similar to me, but doing things to differentiate it from Kingdom Hearts. Has the KH2 team even made a game since KH2? Would explain why that would be the base, and as development continues doing things to separate it from KH.
The KH2 team hasn't been the KH team for a long time. If people were looking for the evolution of KH, they'd be looking at Team Osaka's next game.
And hey, lookie, it's KH3.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Still looks similar to me, but doing things to differentiate it from Kingdom Hearts. Has the KH2 team even made a game since KH2? Would explain why that would be the base, and as development continues doing things to separate it from KH.
The KH2 team hasn't been the KH team for a long time. If people were looking for the evolution of KH, they'd be looking at Team Osaka's next game.
And hey, lookie, it's KH3.
I'm aware, but that's not how people thought of Team Osaka at the time. Team Osaka was seen as the team that did the "side" KH games. Not the mainline KH games.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
it will probably be FFXVI
still probably 2-3 years tho til that tho so as said before let it go!
Their bad for putting so much stock into a number after a title.
Insane Metal
Member
I watched that video just now. Holy shit, I'm not into FF, but that looks mindblowingly good.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
That's what I was thinking. Looks awesome.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Or maybe FFXVI is something original(didn't Verendus say the other two things he's seen were neither AP-related) and AP was nothing more that a tech demo(like FFVI's tech demo for Ultra 64, FFVIII's tech demo for PS2 and FFVII's tech demo for PS3).
NoctisVsStar
Member
Sounds good, ask kagari.
Rising_Hei
Member
As people said it was never advertised as such, what your expectations are aren't the reality.
I just hope everyone let the game be and don't moan because the game is not what they had in mind
NoctisVsStar
Member
I'm going to still enjoy the game regardless I've been waiting for so long complaining is not even an option lol , but all I was trying to say is that combat was supposed to be like KH and I'm pretty sure there's interviews hinting at such or rather evolution from that and the majority of people expected that, so either my expections or the general public consensus has been wrong since 06.
wasnt Hiroyuki Ito speculated to be doing FFXVI
Demon Lizardman
Banned
A Frozen reference from Kagari?
I know they want to sell copies of type 0 but I feel like this game would do better with an open demo/beta like destiny. Some of these game companies need to start treating these games like drug dealers and offer the first hit for free. Like Destiny I think many people who werent thinking about buying this would after a free taste.
WOW LOL.
But I agree.A game this big and so long in the making should definitely get the demo distributed openly and I sure they will release it for everyone a few months after Type-0 releases.
We already have a trailer thread. If you want me to add stuff to it just ask.
MagnaderAlpha
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I think a lot of people WANT Hiroyuki Ito to do FFXVI. Though, I don't recall hearing anything about Ito doing the next FF. Don't get me wrong, I'd love that to happen, but FFXVI, I don't know. I'd say it's probably more likely Toriyama would direct it than Ito.
Exentryk
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Okay cool. Since not many people replied, I'll see if I get around to it.
fvng
Member
First time I've mentioned it, I'm not counting on it
i'm actually hoping weapon switching is automatic, because this just sounds cumbersome
Shadow_FFVI
Member
I like how this sounds.
Exentryk
Member
In the new system, it's like this:
Circle (press and hold) - Noctis attacks and keeps attacking
L1 - Switch Weapon
L1 - Switch Weapon
L1 - Switch Weapon
Or if you don't want to switch weapons, just keep holding Circle and Noctis will keep attacking with the default weapon.
Lol. (
Die Squirrel Die
Member
I just hope SE get their development together enough that it's not too long after XV that we see XVI.
I'm not that bothered if it's based on AP or not but I don't want to wait too long to see a current gen FF that is all new. Don't get me wrong, I think XV looks great, the comparison shots with the 2011 trailer really highlight the leap in visuals but we've been seeing Noctis and pals for a long time now.
I'm not that bothered if it's based on AP or not but I don't want to wait too long to see a current gen FF that is all new. Don't get me wrong, I think XV looks great, the comparison shots with the 2011 trailer really highlight the leap in visuals but we've been seeing Noctis and pals for a long time now.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
I wish Toriyama directing was a more Lol worthy thought.
Nightengale
Member
Toriyama just needs a producer that can put him in his place, and a better writer and event director.
I think at a certain point he'll become invincible to weak ranged attacks from enemies. If they could do the 'weapon/crystal guard' when the dodge button is pushed then it would be pretty awesome.
Aceshighhhh
Member
But it WAS advertised.
Here are just a few interviews where Nomura specifically compares it to KH:
https://web.archive.org/web/20111205023159/http://andriasang.com/comtqu/nomura_ffxvxiii_famitsu
http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/03/02/tetsuya-nomura-on-ff-versus-xiii
http://www.edge-online.com/features/interview-tetsuya-nomura/
FF Versus XIII(and now FFXV) was always advertised as having action-oriented combat system akin to KH. It's quite apparent in any videos or interviews just like the ones listed above.
Ito to direct FFXVI!!!
8 years later : Ito no longer directing FFXVI, Toriyama fully directing the game now.
Press release : Ito did all he could with the game and is now moving on to games only he can make.All The Bravest 2 is now in full production.
It really is super impressive how great this game looks for a full scale jRPG. I'm very very cautious due to how the trackrecord has been for FF for a while now, but I want to believe again. Kingdom Hearts was always the guiltiest of guilty pleasures for me, so maybe I'll like this too.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
@Verendus
I'm not questioning your credibility and you said not to take your notes as gospel, but your first "battle system notes", do they come from your own speculation or was it officially released by Square Enix?
I'm so thrilled to read the last line "Only controlled Noctis, but final game will allow control of characters other than Noctis". That makes me the happiest camper. Please don't toy with my feelings.
I'm not questioning your credibility and you said not to take your notes as gospel, but your first "battle system notes", do they come from your own speculation or was it officially released by Square Enix?
I'm so thrilled to read the last line "Only controlled Noctis, but final game will allow control of characters other than Noctis". That makes me the happiest camper. Please don't toy with my feelings.
edotlee
Member
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/09/skyrim-is-the-sort-of-game-final-fantasy-xv-isnt/
Could be wrong, but I think this explains the difference between 2013 fire spell and the 2014 version of it. No?
Could be wrong, but I think this explains the difference between 2013 fire spell and the 2014 version of it. No?
Kssio_Aug
Member
Maybe youre right, on the older trailer the spell casted much more fire at the enemy and the wather seemed very sunny, as opposed to the recent!
Oh, so switching weapons is still in real-time and not automatic (i tought preparing them like a deck was obvious, i don't get why people get surprised by this)?
Then yeah, for such a mechanic, holding the attack button make it a lot less cumbersome (of course a button mashing option would still be welcome).
Ideally, i'd like something like:
Press/Mash X button = attack combo with the weapon you have equipped (can still switch outside of it)
Hold X button = prolonged combo with the chance to switch weapons mid-time
Also, what about touchpad? I'd like:
Tap = pause battle and enter "ai commands menu"
Swipe to right/left/up/down = show party actions (what we've got in tech video)
Swipe in the opposite direction = go back to command menu
I just hope characters switch, party member aid are still a thing
By the way, what exactly are the differences between Verendus notes and what Tabata said?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Verendus's notes turns out to be pure speculation after all, because he was wrong on certain points.