They're also known for notoriously horrendous crunch.
Just because someone else does that, doesn't mean it's justified.which game dev house isn't full of crunch when the game is due to be shipped? Quality does not come easy
What? Is that all you care about? Just enjoy your game then, but ND's legacy is not something you should be worried about in this case.If the accusations are found to be true, what does this mean for Naughty Dog's legacy? They're known as one of the best developers in the industry. Would we codemn them for one person's actions?
Just because someone else does that, doesn't mean it's justified.
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While you are 100% right, look at the website we are on right now. If this crunch didn't exist, and their game shipped at even 80% of its quality, there would be outrage like you won't believe.
Delays alone get some of the worst kind of reactions not just around the web, but Gaf as well. AAA development isn't easy and it's not for everyone, which is why you have people like Jaffe, Straley and etc who backed away from it.
Either there's a crunch, broken game launches, unfinished products, extensive delays or we have a factory like Ubisoft.
Best wishes.
Man you make me really want to never support any AAA game with that attitude.While you are 100% right, look at the website we are on right now. If this crunch didn't exist, and their game shipped at even 80% of its quality, there would be outrage like you won't believe.
Delays alone get some of the worst kind of reactions not just around the web, but Gaf as well. AAA development isn't easy and it's not for everyone, which is why you have people like Jaffe, Straley and etc who backed away from it.
Either there's a crunch, broken game launches, unfinished products, extensive delays or we have a factory like Ubisoft.
Best wishes.
Gaming industry is such a shithole if "working inhuman hours" is the prerequisite of "good quality games" then.
Man you make me really want to never support any AAA game with that attitude.
If everyone does it that means it's nothing to be condemned.which game dev house isn't full of crunch when the game is due to be shipped? Quality does not come easy
Look, you don't have to 'worry', Naughty Dog games still going to sell millions and win those awards, and Sony isn't going to close down ok.I understand that, but I was talking moreso about the quality of the games. I read Blood, Sweat & Pixels. I hate that Bruce Straley was so burned out.
The Last of Us is one of my favorite games of all time. Am I not going to pick up the sequel because of this situation? I'm with you, it sucks, but it's not that black & white. We're all flawed human beings at the end of the day. Are you going to avoid every single Sony product from now on? It's not that easy. I'm not going to instantly stop playing my PS4 because of this.
They make those games not only for business/sales but because of passion. At least thats what i believe and why those employees stay so many hours being exploited in the industry making those big gamesWell you're looking strictly at AAA games.
This is why the indie development area has been growing so much over the last decade. As games get more and more expensive, it's becoming less and less sustainable. Developers aren't able to meet the deadlines with how big these projects are becoming.
This is why I personally wish more mid-range games were made. Somewhere between indie titles and AAA blockbusters. It's not helping consumers either with how sparse the releases have become compared to previous years.
I apologize if I'm making a statement that sounds like "that's exactly how it should be" as I'm opposed to this inhumane levels of work ethic as a project manager myself. I was pointing out why these types of project management exist in the industry in the first place.
Best wishes.
Sexual harassment: It's everywhere.
I just want to remind the kind people to PLEASE don't ever pursue or push for any unwanted touching/attention.
All women (and men) ask is for respect -- that's it... That's really it. But even that seems to be a lot to ask for.
This wasn't about "one person's actions." According to the accusation, this is a company-wide issue. The (alleged) offender was (allegedly) protected by HR and others working for the company at the expense of the (alleged) victim.If the accusations are found to be true, what does this mean for Naughty Dog's legacy? They're known as one of the best developers in the industry. Would we codemn them for one person's actions?
It actually is that easy. If this is a company that indeed turns out to have supported and defended an a-hole and threw his accuser under the bus, I'm totally fine walking away from a company that has made some of my favorite games. It's just a company, and there are lots of other great games in the world. And there will be more.The Last of Us is one of my favorite games of all time. Am I not going to pick up the sequel because of this situation? I'm with you, it sucks, but it's not that black & white. We're all flawed human beings at the end of the day. Are you going to avoid every single Sony product from now on? It's not that easy. I'm not going to instantly stop playing my PS4 because of this.
*Flag* If TrueIf the accusations are found to be true, what does this mean for Naughty Dog's legacy? They're known as one of the best developers in the industry. Would we codemn them for one person's actions?
I understand that, but I was talking moreso about the quality of the games. I read Blood, Sweat & Pixels. I hate that Bruce Straley was so burned out.
The Last of Us is one of my favorite games of all time. Am I not going to pick up the sequel because of this situation? I'm with you, it sucks, but it's not that black & white. We're all flawed human beings at the end of the day. Are you going to avoid every single Sony product from now on? It's not that easy. I'm not going to instantly stop playing my PS4 because of this.
It actually is that easy. If this is a company that indeed turns out to have supported and defended an a-hole and threw his accuser under the bus, I'm totally fine walking away from a company that has made some of my favorite games. It's just a company, and there are lots of other great games in the world. And there will be more.
I just feel like Sony as a whole owns too many things to avoid them completely. It's not just games. They have movies, music, TV shows, etc. Yes, you can purposely avoid their electronics, but everything else will be a lot more difficult.
It is really not that difficult. Don't buy their TVs, there are better and cheaper ones. Don't watch their movies they have been shit recently anyways. Don't listen to their music there are tons of artiste etc you don't need to be a fanboy for company. Sony doesn't even know J-Skee is a thing
I'm not a fanboy. I'm just trying to be realistic. You may come across a TV show that's produced by Sony & not know it. No one will be mad at you for that.
It's not about somebody being mad at the people who would be avoiding Sony, it would be not purposely putting more money in the pockets of openly scummy people.
Did you think people protest solely to appear better to others? It's rare people push for the validity of virtue signaling on this board, but if that's your game far be it from me to stop you.
The unfortunate truth here is that if you boycott companies that have this stuff come out about them, you are actually largely rewarding companies that are just better at covering this shit up. Because stories like this have happened (and are happening now) at most large companies.It is really not that difficult. Don't buy their TVs, there are better and cheaper ones. Don't watch their movies they have been shit recently anyways. Don't listen to their music there are tons of artiste etc you don't need to be a fanboy for company. Sony doesn't even know J-Skee is a thing
which game dev house isn't full of crunch when the game is due to be shipped? Quality does not come easy
It is really not that difficult. Don't buy their TVs, there are better and cheaper ones. Don't watch their movies they have been shit recently anyways. Don't listen to their music there are tons of artiste etc you don't need to be a fanboy for company. Sony doesn't even know J-Skee is a thing
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Um, how the fuck does crunch equal quality? Such an ignorant statement.
I understand that, but I was talking moreso about the quality of the games. I read Blood, Sweat & Pixels. I hate that Bruce Straley was so burned out.
Um, how the fuck does crunch equal quality? Such an ignorant statement.
if you are so ideological, maybe you should throw in a trash can your smartphone/laptop/pc then? Because many components for them was made by using slave labor in some African countries:
I don't use apple Sony or Samsung from that article. Thank you for your concern tho..it's always amusing that when someone states they are ok with not doing something, someone else has to come and states a whole bunch of shit that has nothing to do with it. Life is not black and white, I can only do what I can do within my means. I am sorry it bother you so much that you had to goggle links to try to make me feel bad boo.
It's not only "apple Sony or Samsung". Basically all electronics.
which game dev house isn't full of crunch when the game is due to be shipped? Quality does not come easy
Even if crunch actually resulted in higher quality games, screw that.
We don't need video games at the cost of developers families and lives.
If the accusations are found to be true, what does this mean for Naughty Dog's legacy? They're known as one of the best developers in the industry. Would we codemn them for one person's actions?
Dude, this is the video game industry. Crunch is rampant at pretty much every game studio around. I agree that it sucks that families suffer because of it, but in 2017 crunch is just a fact of life.
Gaming industry is such a shithole if "working inhuman hours" is the prerequisite of "good quality games" then.
This is what you care about here? Huh? Really? Naughty Dog's legacy.
Unless this was something the whole studio knew about and tried to cover up in some kind of conspiracy, I don't see this would/should affect their legacy. The situation has nothing to do with their games.
I'm not necessarily boycotting ND/Sony myself but why the hell are people concerned about those who are? Like, who the fuck cares what other people decide to do with their money?
Three current and former Naughty Dog employees, all speaking under condition of anonymity so as not to jeopardize their careers, all said they had not heard anything about Ballards sexual harassment allegations until this weekend and that they were disturbed by the news. Those employees said they did not know or want to speculate who the alleged sexual harasser may be. Each discipline at the studio typically has two leads, and by one estimate there are around two dozen at Naughty Dog.
One current Naughty Dog employee said that he and co-workers he spoke to were blind-sided by the news, and that while he believed Ballards allegations, he also believed that the studio had been unaware of them. There definitely is not a culture of covering up bad behavior, that person said. I and quite a lot of other people wouldnt be here if there was.
It was clear to Ballards co-workers that he was upset during his final months at Naughty Dog, those three sources said, and they said his self-acknowledged mental breakdown was clear to everyone at the studio. But people who worked with Ballard said they had thought it was the result of Naughty Dogs long hours and high-pressure culture.
Ballard worked at Naughty Dog in Los Angeles from around February 2009 to around August 2014 before leaving for San Francisco, where he briefly took a job at Ubisoft, per his online resume and co-workers. In the fall of 2015, he returned to Naughty Dog. One person who worked with Ballard said that the difficulties began then, and that Ballard had told people he was filing HR complaints, although to that persons knowledge, those complaints were not about sexual harassment but about other issues. Ballard had said he felt harassed for leaving and then returning to the studio, that person said. The person added that they did not know about the sexual harassment allegations until Ballard posted them on Facebook last weekend.
In early 2016, the situation worsened, and Naughty Dog employees confirm that, as Ballard said on Twitter, he had a difficult mental breakdown. Some of Ballards troubles became more widely known in late February of that year after he sent a hostile e-mail to a tech artist that was CCed to everyone at the company, two people said. Various rumors circulated at the studio and the situation was escalated from Naughty Dogs internal human resources department to Sonys HR.
Dude, this is the video game industry. Crunch is rampant at pretty much every game studio around. I agree that it sucks that families suffer because of it, but in 2017 crunch is just a fact of life.
I mean hes been without job for a while. What is there to loose. Also do we know what specific allegations were? One persons Hello could be anothers sexual harassment. Once again Im not saying its the case, but its a bit more complex than what people are making it out to be.
Such a sad situation.
I don't know if ND/Sony are completely int the wrong here or if this person was so burnt by the constant state of pressure (per Kotaku recent report) that he might have taken things out of proportion.
The only I believe is that the way AAA game companies work can't be a sustainable way. Studios will inevitably collapse financially or humanly (and somethings both).
Most major industries face incredible amounts of crunch. They rely on fresh blood annually to keep the rest industry running like a well oiled machine. See Finance, Tech, Law and many other fields.
I'm not necessarily boycotting ND/Sony myself but why the hell are people concerned about those who are? Like, who the fuck cares what other people decide to do with their money?
AAA Single player experienced are becoming obsolete, slowly but surely. Just look at The Evil Within 2's sales, people may be concerned that boycotting Naughty Dog will not only hurt the good employees who work their and make these amazing games (and who have nothing to do with this incident if true), but that low sales could lead ND in a different direction or negatively effect the production or development of ND games and the studio itself.
In which direction exactly? Could they become more MP-focused, perhaps?AAA Single player experienced are becoming obsolete, slowly but surely. Just look at The Evil Within 2's sales, people may be concerned that boycotting Naughty Dog will not only hurt the good employees who work their and make these amazing games (and who have nothing to do with this incident if true), but that low sales could lead ND in a different direction or negatively effect the production or development of ND games and the studio itself.
Aaaahhh, so all those women must have been overreacting to enthusiastic Hellos then right?
Gosh darn these silly people and their overreactions to warm welcomes.