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GAF you mislead me!! The Order!!
- Thread starter KnockOneOff
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Is it?
It's showing $59.99 for me. Are you talking about the U.S. Store, or Canada?
I've just gone on the store as I was ready to purchase at that price.
Edit: Canadian PSN shows $69.99
Forensic Scene
Member
Grateful for the easy platinum trophy. Really enjoyed parts of it, but overall it felt like a proof of concept that is begging for a sequel. I hope RAD gets that opportunity.
EmeraldSwords
Banned
Really really enjoyed the game. Hope we see a sequel to it.
MoneyLaunderer
Member
Once it hits $20, I'll grab it. Just can't do it for any more than that considering the minimal replay factor.
Apoleptica
Banned
It's not a bad game, but for $60 it didn't offer nearly enough content. The campaign can be beaten in 8 hours if you play at a medium pace and then that's it. Its a good game to rent, and now that the price is coming down it might be worth buying.
The Order, in my opinion, was a great tech demo for what the RAD Engine 4 can do in PS4
I still believe that currently it is the best looking game released in the next generation by far
As a game though it has lots of bad design gameplay choices. For example to continuously have the user to stop the action to do a QTE and the stealth sections were the worst parts of the experience
Other issues I had with the game was bad AI design, the (only two) boss battles that were identical and the werewolf fights (the highlight of the game since its announcement trailer) that were really bad
I would still recommend a rent on anyone still interested on the game, just to admire its flawless and impressive technical side
I personally finished the game in an afternoon and it took me almost 7 hours in normal difficulty
On the other hand I also believe that The Order is a great entry point to Third Person Shooters for inexperienced/new gamers
Gears of War its years ahead in gameplay design/campaign/scenario etc
If someone finds the Order around 20 dollars/euro go for it, but don't spend more than this amount of money on it...
Also in eu Sony store The Order had its first sale (3 months after its release) and its 32 euro for plus members which means that the game didn't had great sales - i bet that it will soon be on ps plus games...
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015...nts-save-on-the-order-1886-portable-classics/
I still believe that currently it is the best looking game released in the next generation by far
As a game though it has lots of bad design gameplay choices. For example to continuously have the user to stop the action to do a QTE and the stealth sections were the worst parts of the experience
Other issues I had with the game was bad AI design, the (only two) boss battles that were identical and the werewolf fights (the highlight of the game since its announcement trailer) that were really bad
I would still recommend a rent on anyone still interested on the game, just to admire its flawless and impressive technical side
I personally finished the game in an afternoon and it took me almost 7 hours in normal difficulty
On the other hand I also believe that The Order is a great entry point to Third Person Shooters for inexperienced/new gamers
Gears of War its years ahead in gameplay design/campaign/scenario etc
If someone finds the Order around 20 dollars/euro go for it, but don't spend more than this amount of money on it...
Also in eu Sony store The Order had its first sale (3 months after its release) and its 32 euro for plus members which means that the game didn't had great sales - i bet that it will soon be on ps plus games...
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015...nts-save-on-the-order-1886-portable-classics/
First, you compared them in terms of the ''Games Gaf likes to hate'' and not the the themes .Second, yes they aren't comparable at all. One is Super Linear game that is a barely a game, while the other, Gaf complained, has a bit too much game in it.
Third, one is critically acclaimed while the other one is slammed in reviews.
Fourth, one came from one of the best video game designers, Ken Levine, while the other one is a console debut from an unknown studio, relatively speaking.
Yes, those two should not even be mentioned in the same paragraph, let alone sentence.
More people need to come to grips that enjoyment of something doesn't mean that something is in fact good. That goes for anything not just games.
In fact, it's with games that people get the most defensive about it. With movies you will hear time and time again "man that movie is shit but I love it"
For some reason tho most of the times, with games it's "I love it so its awesome"
Edit: I didn't play the order, this is more if a general statement about several games
In fact, it's with games that people get the most defensive about it. With movies you will hear time and time again "man that movie is shit but I love it"
For some reason tho most of the times, with games it's "I love it so its awesome"
Edit: I didn't play the order, this is more if a general statement about several games
I really enjoyed it. Played it through twice back to back, and will likely play it through again at some point in the future. It has many flaws, but I also think it was judged far too critically by some. The core gunplay is well implemented and highly satisfying. Also quite fond of the characters, world and general premise of the narrative.
It's somewhere between Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls for me, I feel like everyone should give it a try at some point since there's just so few cinematic focused games like these.
I personally thought the story was pretty good; maybe there were plot inconsistencies but it's like with movies where it's not noticeable for me during the game.
I personally thought the story was pretty good; maybe there were plot inconsistencies but it's like with movies where it's not noticeable for me during the game.
Fbh
Member
While that is true, my problem with the plot in this game is that a lot of games with sequel bait at least feel like the first chapter of a bigger story (Like Mass Effect, for example). In the order I felt like I was playing the prologue to the first chapter of a bigger story
Can't agree with that.
If a movie is entertaining to watch it's a good movie. It's why something like Nic Cage's Wicker Man is a solid 8/10 in my book (best unintentional humor ever). And the same goes for videogames, if it's fun to play then it's a good videogame
Some people also need to come to grips that opinions about a video game are subjective and just because people shouting something is bad loudly doesn't make it actually bad. The Order obviously has flaws, but they are nowhere near the complete trash like descriptions people keep trying to lob at the game. With you admitting to not playing the game however, your original statement seems disingenuous now.
Dude I said it was a general statement. And yes opinions are relative, but my point stands. Rarely do you hear "man that game is shit but I love it" like you do with movies. I wasn't attacking the game... like at all.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Oh my, you're upset. First of all, I didn't compare them in anything other than themes just to highlight the absurdity. Second, both of them are linear experiences and in every aspect just as much a game. Thirdly, since when should we factor in critical acclaimed in comparison? Should we consult metacritic before comparing any sort of media to eachother? Fourthly, Ken Levine has made a career out of making the same game with a different shine of paint for the last decade or two. I like that game a lot so I hope he continues to make it.
I still don't see any valid arguments for them not be compared in the same sentence.
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Deleted member 471617
Unconfirmed Member
The Order: 1886 was an excellent game and an 8.5/10 in my opinion. What's truly sad is that all the bad reviews mentioned how short the game is, that it's too linear, no multi-player, etc. but yet forgot to mention that it virtually had no bugs or glitches and can be played right out of the case. I guess nowadays if your game has bugs and glitches, you get an extra few points added to the score.
I never said you were, but you have to realize making such a statement in a thread about the appeal of a game and then saying, "It's a general statement. I wasn't talking about the game at all!" is a bit puzzling.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Taking your time with the game and making an attempt to immerse yourself in that game world, trying to get some trophies too, and your completion time will probably be more than 8 hours. Considering how many people never finish their games, the prevalent thought that games need to be 30-40 hours monsters to be worth $60 seems a bit strange. People buy 2 hour movies for $12-15, what's wrong with a8-10 hour game for $60?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
7 hours seem a bit like racing through it to me, but I do understand that I like to take my time with games, perhaps too much sometimes, but when the world is so well built and interesting I cannot help myself and try to explore it and take a good look at every awe inspiring scenery.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
The ending was stupid (well, not the ending itself really but it's how they chose to end it.) The entire plot--or rather, how characters react in it--was stupid as well.
The last boss battle was lazy as hell. "Ugh, we need to do a final boss encounter... fuck it, let's just copy paste an entire thing from back then again" Yea yea it's not good to call devs lazy and all that but seriously how can you see that last boss battle and not have the word jumping around in your mind?
You basically run through the entire game fighting the same types of human with very basic AI routines (peek and shoot and running towards you shotgun charge) and that's it, that's the entire thing
The lycan encounters were all horseshit and a huge embarrassment.
The graphics are gorgeous, and the gunplay is alright (and the selection of guns, although basic, is okay too--love the Thermite Rifle (though of course you only get to use it a short while in the entire course of the game).
The last boss battle was lazy as hell. "Ugh, we need to do a final boss encounter... fuck it, let's just copy paste an entire thing from back then again" Yea yea it's not good to call devs lazy and all that but seriously how can you see that last boss battle and not have the word jumping around in your mind?
You basically run through the entire game fighting the same types of human with very basic AI routines (peek and shoot and running towards you shotgun charge) and that's it, that's the entire thing
The lycan encounters were all horseshit and a huge embarrassment.
The graphics are gorgeous, and the gunplay is alright (and the selection of guns, although basic, is okay too--love the Thermite Rifle (though of course you only get to use it a short while in the entire course of the game).
I think the plot was fine, certainly nowhere near the worst I've experienced, although the weak ending probably ruined it for people. The gameplay was also fine tbh, nothing spectacular but not bad anyway. The biggest problem with this game is that neither the plot nor the gameplay stand out, although the graphics certainly do its just not enough. Would still say it's worth playing though.
TheRedSnifit
Member
The comparison makes no sense. Bioshock Infinite is a critically acclaimed game that the overwhelming majority of gamers like (it came second place in its year's GOTY). The Order is one of the most poorly rated AAA games in recent years, and it's widely regarded as a mediocre game. They aren't both good games that a vocal minority of gamers complain about.
You should check your post for contradictions.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Poor or rich in this context is subjective. Mediocre is also subjective. Good or bad is also subjective. What isn't subjective is that any group of gamers who complain about any game is always a minority. Them being vocal about it is also not subjective.
OsirisBlack
Banned
This
and This.
I would actually like an addition to the main story perhaps as dlc would be a nice E3 announcement.
Maybe in |OT|. In most other threads people didn't have a nearly as good impression of the game.
TheRedSnifit
Member
This is the post that started the comparison:
Either it's invalid because Infinite was wildly better received than The Order, or it's completely meaningless because all games have vocal minorities that complain about them.
It's a bad post either way.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Man, people comparing Bioshock Infinite to the Order...? Really now.
The scene where Booker was ejected towards the sky and arrived at Columbia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any scene the Order can conjure up in the entirety of its length.
Likewise, the walking/exploration alone before in Bioshock Infinite before all hell breaks loose (where you're forced to decide the fate of the interracial couple) was way, way superior than anything the Order attempted to conjure up "atmosphere."
Not to mention all the plasmids and how you can play around with them.......
Man, they're not even comparable, in my eyes anyways. Simply put, Bioshock Infinite is a "higher" game than the Order, both figuratively and literally.
The scene where Booker was ejected towards the sky and arrived at Columbia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any scene the Order can conjure up in the entirety of its length.
Likewise, the walking/exploration alone before in Bioshock Infinite before all hell breaks loose (where you're forced to decide the fate of the interracial couple) was way, way superior than anything the Order attempted to conjure up "atmosphere."
Not to mention all the plasmids and how you can play around with them.......
Man, they're not even comparable, in my eyes anyways. Simply put, Bioshock Infinite is a "higher" game than the Order, both figuratively and literally.
Oh please, your extreme over exaggeration is killing me. What exactly was wrong with the ending? Why do people need such absolute finality in stories? Use your imagination a bit.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
You managed to compare them quite adecuately for something that is in your own words "not even comparable".
The word Compare said:
calcetinvolador
Banned
Is there any info about how many copies have been sold? How many do you think to warrant a sequel?
Hard to use your imagination when there were so many threads deliberately left hanging for a sequel. The only thing you managed to do was kill an accomplice to the actual bad guy while in the process raising more sequel-bait questions. I'd be more forgiving if there was some actual resolution with openings for more in the future like how Mass Effect did it, but this game was almost entirely setup for a sequel like Too Human and Halo 2 since the developers probably ran out of time.
Well I'm obviously in a very small minority as I've recently bought witcher 3, bloodborne etc and didn't find them enjoyable, I just couldn't click with them.
Today I decided to purchase the order on the psn, I was naturally a little apprehensive due to the negative feedback, but my logic was that I've bought games with critical acclaim and hated them so....
Anyway I'm really enjoying it, in terms of enjoyment it's defintely one of the best I've played on the ps4. I can defintely see the validity in some people's complaints, but for me those complaints are almost a nice change of pace.
I'm certainly not a fan of big open worlds where you need to explore, do side quests etc, I like a hand holding linear experience, and as most of you know you can't get more hand holding and linear than the order lol.
The fact it looks incredible is a really nice bonus.
Today I decided to purchase the order on the psn, I was naturally a little apprehensive due to the negative feedback, but my logic was that I've bought games with critical acclaim and hated them so....
Anyway I'm really enjoying it, in terms of enjoyment it's defintely one of the best I've played on the ps4. I can defintely see the validity in some people's complaints, but for me those complaints are almost a nice change of pace.
I'm certainly not a fan of big open worlds where you need to explore, do side quests etc, I like a hand holding linear experience, and as most of you know you can't get more hand holding and linear than the order lol.
The fact it looks incredible is a really nice bonus.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Anybody who paid $60 for this got robbed; the game is awful even by AAA standards.
wolfhowwl
Banned
Someone posted in April that the life to date NPD numbers were 231,000.
Murder. She Wrote
Member
Finally got around to playing this. Got it off redbox for 3 bucks and I guess it was worth it. Beat it in one sitting and wow what a disappointment. Gunplay was mediocre, stealth was terrible. And those lycan fights are downright embarrassing. The knife fights were decent at best but what the fuck was up with the other fights? I sat in a corner as the lycans bum rushed me one by one and I shot at them and pressed X. What is this? Babies first boss battle? I feel bad for who ever designed those.
It's funny, when you take the game out of The Order it's pretty decent: great graphics, excellent atmosphere and world, and a decent story (when you ignore the ridiculously obvious betrayal). I really do hope they make a sequel where they add multiplayer and good gameplay because I really like the world.
One question:
It's funny, when you take the game out of The Order it's pretty decent: great graphics, excellent atmosphere and world, and a decent story (when you ignore the ridiculously obvious betrayal). I really do hope they make a sequel where they add multiplayer and good gameplay because I really like the world.
One question:
Are vampires pure bloods and lycans half bloods? So there aren't any werewolves, just hairy vampires?