In the Sessler review he says the map isn't as big as some GTA games but I thought it was supposed to be as big as SA, RDR and GTA put together. Are R* perhaps including the underwater locations too? Which is fine by me.
Sound like Max Payne 3, to me.
See, now it's a conversation. Based on previous GTAs, I think its particular brand of satire isn't witty or clever. Also, satire is supposed to punch up, not down. GTA is so huge at this point that few things qualify, certainly not women as an entire gender. You need some kind of context for satire to work, some contrast. Carolyn is making the argument that that isn't there, so all that's left is gross stuff that WE know is gross, Rockstar knows is gross, but that alone doesn't make satire. Satire is making fun of the people saying the gross stuff. The target here is just, women. The intent doesn't matter, if it's not landing or if it doesn't feel like satire to Carolyn, it's hard to argue with her interpretation, but that doesn't mean you can't have your own.
Females should be barred from reviewing this game. This game is made for men and men only.
I'm a little concerned with how awful the main characters are as people. Thats always been an issue with GTA, either you run the risk of the ludo narrative dissonance or you come to terms with the main guy (or guys) is a psycho. It comes with the territory I guess.
Overall I'm looking for consistency though.
"I can imagine, 200 years from now, like our reading of Dickens, the game will be regarded as a catalog of our contemporary travails, an accelerated reality bearing more truth than just gazing at our own reflection."
This sentiment is getting so old. I haven't gone back on my initial praise of any of the GTA's. And I've seen others on here say the same.THE GTA CYCLE
HYPE HYPE HYPE --> REVIEWS GO LIVE -> 10/10 10/10 5/5 --> ONE YEAR LATER --> GAME WAS WAY OVERRATED, THE DRIVING SUCKS, FRUSTRATING MISSIONS --> GTA VI ANNOUNCED -->> OMG THIS WILLL BE THE BEST GAME EVER
REPEAT
Link?
I made a post earlier on in the thread about a mini Sethos review of the game, totally spaced on it. Here it is:Really? That kid seems to have good taste in games. I'll bite....
Krappadizzle: So now that you've played it quite a bit, what are your overall impressions?
Sethos: I can't stress this enough; Best fucking game I have ever played in my entire life. No hyperbole, no weekend crush, it's batshit insane. It's like a 10/10 TPS in its own right, then you see it has vehicles, then the massive world, then you see it's one of the most beautiful games on consoles, then the distant light thingy / bokeh effect, the RDR weather and atmosphere
Sethos: It's like every single aspect and detail is the best of the best of the best, wrapped into one big ball.
Sethos: I even started to enjoy the driving, EXCEPT quads and bikes, they are WAAAAY to sensitive to enjoy.
Krappadizzle: Wow. That's big coming from you.
Sethos: I haven't really played games that much lately but ... Just the sheer number of hours I streamed should tell you have addictive it was.
Sethos: I didn't eat friday because I was so hooked.
Krappadizzle: Yeah, It really seemed like you were having a blast. Like a toddler on pixie sticks.
Sethos: My only 'problem' was, you need to spice up things to keep the streams interesting but at some point you've been through most of it. Then people want you to rob liquor stores and shit, despite them not being listed on the map and I haven't seen a single one.
This, excellent post.
I'd also really wish people would stop conflating having an issue with the game's misogyny & having an issue with "morality".
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See, I thought the gunplay was much better this time around, especially when you remove the "GTA" aiming from the options menu and leave it with the tamer auto assist or no assist.
I made a post earlier on in the thread about a mini Sethos review of the game, totally spaced on it. Here it is:
Sethos: I can't stress this enough; Best fucking game I have ever played in my entire life. No hyperbole, no weekend crush, it's batshit insane. It's like a 10/10 TPS in its own right, then you see it has vehicles, then the massive world, then you see it's one of the most beautiful games on consoles, then the distant light thingy / bokeh effect, the RDR weather and atmosphere
Is this English?
THE GTA CYCLE
HYPE HYPE HYPE --> REVIEWS GO LIVE -> 10/10 10/10 5/5 --> ONE YEAR LATER --> GAME WAS WAY OVERRATED, THE DRIVING SUCKS, FRUSTRATING MISSIONS --> GTA VI ANNOUNCED -->> OMG THIS WILLL BE THE BEST GAME EVER
REPEAT
Did you play it? Is it same as Mx Payne 3?
I reviewed it for DarkZero. It's not exactly the same, but there is that heaviness to it, which I am guessing is due to their experience in making Max Payne 3. I kind of wish there was a dive.
I did play Max Payne 3 on PC though, so I don't know about mouse to pad feelings.
I know, and I'm willing to bet like every platinum game that's all it has too.
But the "teenage white american males" are also targeted by the jokes. GTA's always been pretty good at attacking everyone equally.
Well, is kind of difficult to separate when It comes with the "high moral" actitude that some use to discuss this issues.
first time i've seen one of their video reviews. Nicely done.
Sorry that i called chris plante a girl earlier lol, but yeah i recalled his review touching on women not being much and it wasn't just the gamespot one.
Game mechanics and design sound up there, and a proper return to form.
Not sold on the story yet. We'll see. Dan Houser's writing. particularly his characterisations, are consistently terrible and hampered both Grand Theft Auto IV (which had a whole bunch of other big issues) and Max Payne 3. Even Red Dead occasionally got things wrong, even if it's a high mark above those two.
That's more or less the final barrier to GTAV having a good campaign. If Houser is gonna Houser, I'm probably not going to enjoy it half as much as I'd like. Fingers crossed.
Is it that you aren't sold on the characters' personalities, or how Dan Houser attempts to portray said personality with marginal success? I always felt the overt and rash portrayals are intentional. Just curious if you don't like the attempt or the result.
That Sessler Review is so pukeworthy. Give me a break, if you want to sound smart and wise, fine, then sound smart and wise. His review is so forced...It doesn't come across as intelligent, just like he was forcing himself to sound intelligent.
Sessler's line at the end of his review was some of that delicious cringe that I knew was coming with the advent of another GTA release.
Christ.
The former. I've found Houser has one trick: make characters as depraved, deplorable, and dislikeable as possible, and use this as a hamfisted metric to paint them as shades of grey instead of black and white, which in turn almost makes them one note. The end result is a cast of almost unanimously dislikeable characters with almost caricature-like "flaws". I find it really tacky, lazy, and unappealing, like the story and cast is desperately trying to be edgy, dark, and grown up, but has no grace or sense of pacing. No highs or lows in the narrative, just constant one dimensional extremities, with the inevitable betrayal from a close friend followed by revenge and self redemption.
I also find he (and the rest of Rockstar's writing team) do a poor job of bridging play with narrative. GTAIV, and at times Red Dead, are particularly bad for this, where almost everything you do during free play is totally ignored and inconsequential of what happens in cut scenes. You can run over a thousand pedestrians in GTAIV, and Niko Bellic will still lament murder. You can massacre towns in Red Dead, and John Marston and Bonnie will still talk all friendly like nothing happened. I get that bridging a focused narrative with open, free form sandbox gameplay would be super fucking hard, but I really don't think Rockstar and Houser have done a good job of it lately.
GTAV's narrative framework seems a lot better, the three characters and their ideals more suited to the story being told, which seems like it's not taking itself overly serious. But we'll see. The moment one character reflects on the carnage and murder of a civilian when I ran over just as many on the way to activate the mission is the moment Rockstar is back to their old, shitty tricks.
GTAV's narrative framework seems a lot better, the three characters and their ideals more suited to the story being told, which seems like it's not taking itself overly serious. But we'll see. The moment one character reflects on the carnage and murder of a civilian when I ran over just as many on the way to activate the mission is the moment Rockstar is back to their old, shitty tricks.
Edge said:If Franklin is the lens through which we have traditionally seen Grand Theft Auto and Michael is the story its creator has long wanted to tell, Trevor is the character who best embodies the way tens of millions of GTA fans actually play the game.
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As Trevor, theres a forced torture scene that will make you thoroughly uncomfortable until five minutes later when, back on the road, you misjudge a corner, kill a handful of pedestrians and laugh out loud, and it becomes apparent that Rockstar has made quite a powerful point, one that will later be acknowledged by one of the protagonists. We are all despicable people.
Carolyn Petit giving GTAV editors choice is a testament to how good this game is.
15-hour opening cinematic scene
Character now sometimes steps in gum
Users can unlock one free episode of the 1960s action-comedy Car Robbers! on which the franchise is based
Gamers can dress characters up in any outfits they want, much as a 5-year-old girl would with her doll
Solid Thai restaurants
Online multiplayer mode where up to 16 players can hold hands
Free admission to botanical gardens while playing during hours of 11 a.m and 4 p.m. on Sundays
Like previous installments, gameplay immerses players in alternate reality where their lives are rich and meaningful
All three protagonists inexplicably named Gideon
Ability to lick everything
After you finish playing it for the first time, you will become known by friends and coworkers as a very cool guy, and everyone will want to talk to you about your fascinating exploits in the game
Females should be barred from reviewing this game. This game is made for men and men only.
THE GTA CYCLE
HYPE HYPE HYPE --> REVIEWS GO LIVE -> 10/10 10/10 5/5 --> ONE YEAR LATER --> GAME WAS WAY OVERRATED, THE DRIVING SUCKS, FRUSTRATING MISSIONS --> GTA VI ANNOUNCED -->> OMG THIS WILLL BE THE BEST GAME EVER
REPEAT
So this isn’t a review. But at this point I know enough to tell you — enthusiastically and without reservation — this is a game that deserves its inevitable commercial success, the adoring reviews that have probably just now been posted, and however many hours you can spare it.
Kamiya does games. Really good games.
Except 3 out of the last 4 GTA games (III, VC, and SA) were 3 of the best games ever.
Except it was the most recent game that was bad, which should make one cautious of GTA V's allegedly Dickensian social commentary.
What the fuck. No way. QT3 must have been hacked.Oh my god, Tom Chick is saying good things about GTA V:
http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/2013/09/16/grand-theft-auto-v-review/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+QuarterToThree+%28Quarter+to+Three%29
The former. I've found Houser has one trick: make characters as depraved, deplorable, and dislikeable as possible, and use this as a hamfisted metric to paint them as shades of grey instead of black and white, which in turn almost makes them one note. The end result is a cast of almost unanimously dislikeable characters with almost caricature-like "flaws". I find it really tacky, lazy, and unappealing, like the story and cast is desperately trying to be edgy, dark, and grown up, but has no grace or sense of pacing. No highs or lows in the narrative, just constant one dimensional extremities, with the inevitable betrayal from a close friend followed by revenge and self redemption.
I didn't think we could go past Oscar worthy, but somehow we did.
With Dickens rolling in his grave no less.
Females should be barred from reviewing this game. This game is made for men and men only.
Oh my god, Tom Chick is saying good things about GTA V:
http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/2013/09/16/grand-theft-auto-v-review/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+QuarterToThree+%28Quarter+to+Three%29
I didn't think we could go past Oscar worthy, but somehow we did.
With Dickens rolling in his grave no less.