I could see some of them being like this. Thomas Rhett always gave me the impression of being pretty woke, but you n ever know with musicians.
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Guns are fine. Racism is not! Armed Redneck Lefties Organizing Against Facism
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I could see some of them being like this. Thomas Rhett always gave me the impression of being pretty woke, but you n ever know with musicians.
Refer to my previous post about the fictional world of Star Trek. Just because Capitlism is a system that is in use and has been successful doesn't mean it's all freedom can be. You were the one saying these people were being hypocritical. They are not just because they want something better.
I Stalk Alone
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Fucking idiocracy.
For all the shit Brad Paisley got for Accidental Racist, he was at least trying to have a conversation. Wheelhouse is a great album that really emphasizes the importance of getting a more worldly perspective. But he was slammed on both sides and has since retreated to the basic formula that all country music adheres to these days: love songs about straight white women. It's depressing.
Prophaniti
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You should read up how drone operators are being treated for PTSD. I don't think most would fire on US citizens.
Psychoward
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The right got their voters to vote for someone in a tower with his name plated in gold on the front while claiming he was the opposite. I don't think so.
Netherscourge
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Great.
Now it's an arms race.
Our nation's political divide is now a civil cold war.
I hope it stays cold.
Now it's an arms race.
Our nation's political divide is now a civil cold war.
I hope it stays cold.
Vicetrailia
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I'm not a fan of guns, but this is fine. Hopefully they can reach rural communities.
What are drone operators? What are commanders?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
All of this is a distraction from the fact that the election was fraudulent and stolen by a foreign power.
Clinton messed up. I don't think there can be any doubt about that. When you had people like myself that were her supporters wondering why she never seemed to be in the spotlight, never seemed to be getting out there much, wondering what she was doing, it was a bad sign, a sign many of her supporters strongly dismissed when people brought it up.
Anyway what's done is done I suppose. I too thought she had it locked down.
Agreed.
Get cops to pilot them. They already enjoy shooting people, imagine how excited they'd be to shoot missiles instead.
capitalCORN
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What's the point of a free market if it cannot be collected entirely by one individual? Anything less is stifling. You can argue about the progress hapenning around the world, yet even water isn't a basic right to be respected, guess why. Capitalism is not a race to the top, but a race to the bottom, where every corner is cut, for the pleasure of profit.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Puck Beaverton
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There are a couple protest songs out there, none of it gets radio play though.
Psychoward
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I'm sorry what did that have to do with anything I just said?
You were talking about how Bernie did it better than the right did. Clearly not because Bernie lost the primary and Trump won the GE.
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
Sounds good but I need more info before bandwagoning.
Also I really hate the term redneck. The term instantly conjures the image of a stereotypical racist for me personally. I don't want to take away any possible good someone is doing and look like the same morons that were complaining about the blm name though.
Also I really hate the term redneck. The term instantly conjures the image of a stereotypical racist for me personally. I don't want to take away any possible good someone is doing and look like the same morons that were complaining about the blm name though.
We need Rage against the machine return and a system of a down New album
We need Rage against the machine return and a system of a down New album
Prophets of Rage (supergroup made up of members of Rage Against the Machine, Public Enemy, and Cypress Hill) has got ya covered:
http://prophetsofrage.com/
dragonfart28
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Guns are fine until they start sending an army of drones after you.
Trojita
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The Sum of Zero
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This fact alone blows my mind. Because I have yet to meet a woke redneck where I live.
Killer Queen
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I mean, either way whether or not that did or didn't happen doesn't change that Trump ran a better campaign and based on that gif clearly put in more work than Clinton to win the states he did. He had strong branding, a strong, simple catchy message, made tons of stops on the campaign trail to states he needed to win He was also very charismatic, these are all traits Clinton's campaign lacked. If Clinton had done the same or better we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. That's the reality of the situation. I would have preferred Clinton but Trump ran a stronger campaign.
Waddle Dee
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This sounds reasonable and promising. Hopefully they stick to their word.
CrimzonSamurai
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We have complete unmitigated use of drones against ISIS and in other theaters and they haven't magically killed all of the opposing forces.
You guys really overestimate the efficacy of drones.
You guys really overestimate the efficacy of drones.
I live in North Alabama, there's a ton of em
The fact that people think this is even a remote possibility is fucking ridiculous. Just THINK about it for more than two seconds. Jesus.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Who flies them?
Puck Beaverton
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Steve Earle is a socialist.
Saint Gregory
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I don't want to live in a future where the person who travels the most and expends the most energy wins presidentential elections. We might as well just scrap the GE and turn the campaign into a season long reality contest ala The Greatest Race or something.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Yeah reading more of this, it's encouraging to see a return of "commonism" in rural thought. It's never not been true that the working class has been pitted against itself by ideologues and the establishment for reasons which should be apparent.
I felt Bernie was tone deaf in that he downplayed race and played up class and income disparity during the primaries, and I think this is closer to the message that needs to be out there. It's not that the middle class and poor aren't getting screwed exactly as he said and that universal improvements should theoretically help everyone, but race has been such a critical and central part of the social engineering that keeps us where we are that it has to be part of the discussion.
I felt Bernie was tone deaf in that he downplayed race and played up class and income disparity during the primaries, and I think this is closer to the message that needs to be out there. It's not that the middle class and poor aren't getting screwed exactly as he said and that universal improvements should theoretically help everyone, but race has been such a critical and central part of the social engineering that keeps us where we are that it has to be part of the discussion.
dragonfart28
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I was just going along with the starting idea that people regularly need guns to defend themselves from the police (which is equally ridiculous).
You really don't need guns for any reason.
Capitalism creates material inequalities that impede liberty.
This New Band made my day, thx
psychowave
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Exploitation isn't a horrible byproduct of capitalism. It's capitalism working as intended. People have to die for you to live a relatively comfortable life, and you have to work your life away for rich people to live like gods.
If it is an arms race it's been fairly one sided for a long time. Remember when militias were a thing in the news? They never went away. It's probably just the internet but they feel more prevalent then they have before. They give themselves names like Oathkeepers, 3%ers or Sheepdogs now. And there are a lot more combat veterans in their ranks now.
The left/progressives/liberals during this time haven't been stockpiling arms/ammo, forming groups that train, etc. because the assumption was that high road was always the best option, and for the most part, there was general good faith/trust in government to prevent the sort of radicalization.
However the opposite has happened. The right became more radicalized, and a lot of that radicalization has been normalized. When you heard about some dude with a saferoom with dozens of longarms and thousands of rounds of ammo, it got brushed off as "Oh you wacky gun nuts." Meanwhile, their propaganda arm (NRA) has gotten more radical and fearmongnering with their propaganda and the ranks of those groups has increased and has become emboldened.
And I will have to say, I was dismissive as well. Until I started having Libertarian acquaintances, and those dudes are all armed. And they are reasonable compared to the rhetoric I've heard at gun shows, shooting ranges, Internet forums about firearms. So yeah, now I'm armed. I live in a major liberal city, but I don't necessarily trust the local PD. Not to keep my relatively affluent neighborhood with a low crime rate, per se, just I'm not entirely sure about their other attitudes. So, I feel like I have to do what I can. I'm not putting my faith in the police to be there to save me if I have an issue, because it still takes them time to get to where ever I am. And I'm pretty sure I'm on my own with self appointed "good guy with a gun" and shitty political views, who is looking for an excuse to resolve a situation with his firearm, decides to get squirrelly.
So now I've turned into an American with multiple firearms and thousands of rounds of ammo in his home. And the shit of it is, is I've decided this was a prudent course of action not because the government is going to come with their black helicopters, but other Americans with shitty Molon Labe stickers on their crossovers.
Obviously he didn't win, but it shouldn't be ignored that he fundraised well from areas where Clinton did not, such as Michigan, rural New England, and the Appalachian highlands, which is presumably where support for an initiative like this comes from. Note how much better even Gillibrand did in upstate New York as opposed to Clinton. She was a bad candidate with poor outreach despite good intentions and what appeared to be a sound electoral strategy on paper.
I don't think the Democrats will compete in the South in the short term unless there's a united front against the soft eugenism of an education system funded by local property taxes which perpetuates the cycle of poverty in Appalachia. It's an issue that crosses racial barriers, and through the means of racial justice LBJ understood "what's at the bottom of it."
Saint Gregory
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Well for the longest time large sections of both the right and center ideologically in the country insisted that America doesn't have a race problem. I think that we've finally reached the point where no one can deny a race problem exists even if there's still wild disagreements on who's to blame for it and how to resolve them.
My problem with Redneck Revolt is that many chapters are white led and have no guidance from oppressed nationalities. I've seen many claiming that you can be racist toward white people.
That said, if they became disciplined and stopped being typical white anarchists they'd be a great force.
That said, if they became disciplined and stopped being typical white anarchists they'd be a great force.
Killer Queen
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Well, too bad that's how it works.
Obama ran great campaigns by being charasmatic with strong messaging and at least seemingly being different from prior politicians, promising change and had a message that was about "we" rather than "me"
Trump did the same thing and won this election while Clinton did not. You need to give people a reason to vote for you, Trump did, Clinton didn't outside of being "not Trump" and for many, at least where it mattered that wasn't enough. So we should be learning from this in order to do better in the future and not to repeat the same mistake.
This isn't a hypothetical future, this is the here and now and how it has been.
then figure out another way to convince people that you care about their local issues without ever talking to them face to face
on topic, the growth of southern socialism is the most heartening trend of the last year
Saint Gregory
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Trump did not do the same thing as Obama. Trump ran a campaign based on lies, hatred and division. The only "we" he was talking about was himself and people like him but that message obviously resonated with the typical "I'll be a billionaire someday" base the Republicans crafted over the last few decades. He won the election so of course revisionism is going to make it seem as though he ran some kind of masterful campaign that should be studied when in reality it took a perfect storm of forces opposed against Clinton to give him an Electoral College win. Obama didn't need any outside help.
this train of thought is a complete misrepresentation of the sanders campaign. the point of running on class issues is to make your message as universal as possible which naturally benefits minority communities more than anyone else.
being anti-racist is an absolute necessity for any left of center politician, but the centrist attitude that focuses on legalism and and ignores class has utterly failed to make a dent in the problem. building class solidarity and making poor whites understand that they have more to gain from allying with poor minorities than they do with rich whites is something that can generate real material change, which is what both bernie sanders and groups like this want.
The quotes in the OP make me believe they'd be open to dialogue and learning, but at the same time wouldn't the vast majority of people who consider themselves rednecks be white? Of course they're going to have white leadership.