Also if you look a few slides down you see they’ll actually going to invest more money in single player games vs now/the past as well. They just invest extra more in love services which I hate.let's see tomorrow if they lose you forever.
Basically, everything is coming to PC....and more gaas.
Am I reading this wrong or something. What does this chart indicate?
This chart by itself provides zero context and I think is causing people to incorrectly interpret.
1. Investment allocation majority shift from SP to live service =/= decreased output in SP games, especially in the extremely likely scenario that Sony is growing the market size as opposed to cannibalization of one segment's resources by another. Meaning nominal investment dollars for both segments recognize net increase.
2. Sony is a newcomer to live service market so initial investment will be higher at present compared to single player operations which at this point is well established; SP infrastructure investments for Sony signature 1st party SP games took place during latter half of PS3 and peaked during PS4 I would say.
Keep in mind that they are just increasing spending and investment overall though. Notice the size of the light blue 40% is the same size as the light blue 80% of the past meaning they don't see a reduction in traditional game releases/investment just an increase in games overall boosted mostly by GaaS. Just buy the single player games they will continue to release. I did fear that there would be an increased presence of GaaS with declining game sales and a shift to subs.What irks me the most about this is the fact that they are clearly stating that's what they want to put more investment into from a first party perspective. So 60% of their resources will be going towards live service crap? Nah, not for me, they can forget seeing my money going forwards if that's where they're heading.
Sony is the only one still investing in triple A single player games.This is why I'm starting to lose interest in Playstation.
Agree, this is all that meaningfully matters.Just buy the single player games they will continue to release
Devils advocate but there would have 5 years of inflation between the two FY so one could maybe argue that is terms of resources, SP games is getting a minor decrease.Notice the size of the light blue 40% is the same size as the light blue 80% of the past meaning they don't see a reduction in traditional game releases/investment just an increase in games overall boosted mostly by GaaS
Doesn’t matter that they’re not on your radar - they are coming as per Sony’s slides.What are all the announced Sony live service games this vocal minority is complaining about?
There are non on my radar. Are these all unannounced games?
Until they realize they dont need SP games anymore. Not all AAA SP game fans are willing to fund that with there purchases.Sony is the only one still investing in triple A single player games.
Sony is the only one still investing in triple A single player games.
Am I reading this wrong or something. What does this chart indicate?
By FY25 they expect to be releasing as many PC and mobile titles as PS5 titles.Not sure, what does it indicate?
I'd say there's plenty of room for both Xbox and Switch to grow alongside Sony, as long as they make the right moves.With Sony riding this wave of momentum, how could the competition possibly respond?
This seems like a rout.
Most are unannounced, we'll probably see some of them tonight.What are all the announced Sony live service games this vocal minority is complaining about?
There are non on my radar. Are these all unannounced games?
You talking about rights for being in a game? EA has exclusive rights it seems to the PL and the bigger leagues.We haven't heard anything about the Premier League rights since February. I wonder if Sony decided to get involved in the bidding?
They're adding a lot of live service investment to kickstart that segment in their publishing range. But Singleplayer remains strong.
That's not what I wanted to see.
A former boss of mine taught me something about price increases: Companies mainly use them when they are in leading market positions, and thus feel dollar growth is stagnant.Maybe I'm missing something, but how does this comparison accommodate for the increased prices for PS5 versus PS4 in the given timeframes? Full game revenue is actually down (which makes sense given the increase cost) and the overall spend increase is actually due to subscriptions and accessories (which are also more expensive), as well as higher "addon" buy in - which I believe would be microtransactions and DLC? At a glance, this would appear to favour PS5 simply due to the price increases this generation?
I agree, but with singleplayer, once you're done you're done.Most single player games bomb.
Not from Sony.
So why can't I expect the same wkth GaaS? Maybe the majority are hits and a lot of popular games stop being that popular since sony is offering something better (which is not hard).
Sony need constant revenue streams from GaaS as well.I agree, but with singleplayer, once you're done you're done.
Live service is constantly competing for people's time, and with each successful live service game, the available pool of players becomes smaller and smaller.
I have confidence TLOU Factions will be big.
Hardly.Sony is the only one still investing in triple A single player games.
Most single player games bomb.
Not from Sony.
So why can't I expect the same wkth GaaS? Maybe the majority are hits and a lot of popular games stop being that popular since sony is offering something better (which is not hard).
Sony is the only one still investing in triple A single player games.
Oh boy, that's not good.
That's not what I wanted to see.
Yeah, some seem to ignore Nintendo for some reason.Shit, I didn’t realize Nintendo stopped making games.
Oh boy, that's not good.
We've seen how. By trying to buy everything they can. Good job Sony. Truly impressive.With Sony riding this wave of momentum, how could the competition possibly respond?
This seems like a rout.
It's not PC business, either. The future is platform agnostic, and selling your shit on every possible platform is just a stepping stone for a couple of years. End goal clearly is streaming, totally independent of hardware capabilities.Basically, everything is coming to PC....and more gaas.
You guys simping over big Jim slade but he's on a mission....and it isn't console business.
Oh, I will. Its just that its never a good thing to see these stuff being brought up by CEOs.PlayStation hasn't died yet. I'd say give them the benefit until they start failing if it happens.
Oh, I will. Its just that its never a good thing to see these stuff being brought up by CEOs.
That is indeed a huge investment into GaaS before they had even one such release. No doubt it is something they should pursue, but AAA single player has been working extremely well for them so such a sudden and large shift in priorities seems premature.
Games are not getting any cheaper to produce so just keeping the same investment onto SP games will result in fewer such releases.
It's not the same investment.That is indeed a huge investment into GaaS before they had even one such release. No doubt it is something they should pursue, but AAA single player has been working extremely well for them so such a sudden and large shift in priorities seems premature.
Games are not getting any cheaper to produce so just keeping the same investment onto SP games will result in fewer such releases.
It's very hard to create successful single player. Sony makes it look easy and this is why you have this view.It's very hard to create a successful gaas.
I have no idea. You don't know either. Let the games do the talking. Mlb and gt7 are good examples they can do it.You will see how hard it will be for Sony to break into that space.
I think sony has a chance since most multiplayer games... all of them are from ps4.I agree, but with singleplayer, once you're done you're done.
Live service is constantly competing for people's time, and with each successful live service game, the available pool of players becomes smaller and smaller.
I have confidence TLOU Factions will be big.
Not really. I played a ton f of last of us and had not new content. You don't have to add that much if it releases with enough content day 1. Devs are doing it wrong.live service games are different. Unlike SP, you need engagement. Without that, you cant sustain those games, even if its high quality.
Think of it like shooter games.
From an engagement standpoint, SP games are one and done. THey dont get anymore from you.Not really. I played a ton f of last of us and had not new content. You don't have to add that much if it releases with enough content day 1. Devs are doing it wrong.
From an engagement standpoint, SP games are one and done. THey dont get anymore from you.
That is indeed a huge investment into GaaS before they had even one such release.
And MLB The Show. Another game that retains all its modes (Franchise, RttS, Online, etc) despite a GaaS Diamond Dynasty mode.They have gt7. People are expecting Farmville or something?
And MLB The Show. Another game that retains all its modes (Franchise, RttS, Online, etc) despite a GaaS Diamond Dynasty mode.
Except you aren't the only person that is playing it.Not really. I played a ton f of last of us and had not new content. You don't have to add that much if it releases with enough content day 1. Devs are doing it wrong.
Thats just the investment percentage. If you remove the live service part and just look at the grey bars that represent traditional gaming, you see they are also planing to invest more in traditional gaming in 2025 compared to 2023, and will be on par with what they invested in 2019.
Its just a big extra investment on live services, that most will probably crash and burn. Also dont like to see it, but is where the industry is heading cuz when 1 live service game gets popular, it prints money for many years with little effort just requiring updates to keep ppl spending.
Well there is DLC/expansions.From an engagement standpoint, SP games are one and done. THey dont get anymore from you.