Remember kids, if you aren't taking a stand on 100% of things, you are a hypocrite and have to take a stand on 0% of the things. I have beaten your morality puzzle like the Gordian knot.
I really wonder what happened to ppl that they think this way
Remember kids, if you aren't taking a stand on 100% of things, you are a hypocrite and have to take a stand on 0% of the things. I have beaten your morality puzzle like the Gordian knot.
You shouldn't be eating McDonalds anyway but I probably wouldn't go there, yeah. Pretty simple.
i would stop eating at that mcdonalds specifically, yes
I'm sure he would stop eating at that McDonald's
I know people who work at Mcdonalds with managers that sexually harass the staff but nothing is done about it. You gonna stop eating there now?
Working in big office for as long as I have, there is NO WAY I would judge either way without proof or concrete details of the situation, which nobody may see/hear until court.
There are definitely some scum bags out there in positions of power trying to prey on people, but there are also definitely some scumbags out there trying to get back at others, trying to make money or trying to justify for their own actions by going after others with this type of claim.
Either way it is of a very sensitive and delicate nature and people should be very careful with their words.....
This is why documentation of employee incidents as a manager is so damn important to make sure all parties know what actions were taken and why..
I know people who work at Mcdonalds with managers that sexually harass the staff but nothing is done about it. You gonna stop eating there now?
crossposted from the other ND thread, but it seems others are coming out with their stories as well.
There we go. We need a couple more people to come out with their stories and maybe then some people will have to face reality.
I know people who work at Mcdonalds with managers that sexually harass the staff but nothing is done about it. You gonna stop eating there now?
I know people who work at Mcdonalds with managers that sexually harass the staff but nothing is done about it. You gonna stop eating there now?
I've noticed that people tend to try to dismiss claims like this one, it's sad. It's possible Ballard is making it up but I tend to believe the claim until disproven. I don't see how this would be a fun thing for someone to just make up.
I've noticed that people tend to try to dismiss claims like this one, it's sad. It's possible Ballard is making it up but I tend to believe the claim until disproven. I don't see how this would be a fun thing for someone to just make up.
For me, here's the difference between Naughty Dog and a large company like McDonald's:
Naughty Dog creates art. Art is an expression of the inner self. Art, even if made by a team of 300, is a craft, it's about about joy, beauty, fun, creativity, pushing boundaries, social commentary, etc.
If many people that are part of that endeavor (as it's shaping up to be in Naughty Dog's case) are sad, despicable human beings that abuse their authority to prey on victims, then that taints the entire artistic pursuit. It turns something that is supposed to be beautiful into something disgusting and vile. Could you enjoy a Polanski movie? What about a Woody Allen movie? Cosby show? I couldn't. Because I know it's made by depraved individuals.
Then you'll say, well, it's a just a few people out of hundreds! No. These are the leaders. This is not some junior guy making a comment to a journalist. These are the leaders that set the tone, the culture, and lead the entire artistic pursuit. Their hands are deep into the clay.
But you can propably see why it's a good thing the justice system doesn't work that way, right?
Ballard shouldve said "sure I'll sign that letter", then take it and tell the world. I hope he has some kind of evidence or paper trail.
The justice system has to have proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict someone because putting an innocent man in jail is rightly considered worse than letting a guilty man go free. This isn't a court of law, the accused is still unnamed and the victim has a lot more to lose than the vague Naughty Dog entity. An accusation like that deserves serious investigation, especially now that other people have shared similar experiences.
Well, you do at this stage need to be honest and accept you, nor us, have a single clue who the accused are. You can't just go around with speculation it might be the CEOs or lead developers or something.
Speculating who it is, is as useful as currently saying there is a mass cover up inside ND. There is not enough evidence for such speculation, and while you're free to say it's what you think, just remember it's always best to try and be as patient as possible for investigatory work/evidence.
I'm not speculating beyond what Ballard and the journalist said--senior/mid level employees. The journalist said a "dev" made the inappropriate remark and Ballard's comment was that a "lead" harassed him. However, I just edited my comment to "dev" instead of "leaders" (although I would personally consider a dev/lead to be a leader within the company, but I understand what you're saying).
You're 100% right about proof. We don't have any facts yet. We have a firm denial by Naughty Dog and now 3 complaints. That's where we stand.
Okay, fair enough. I just think it's wise not to summarise an accusation must mean a certainty of being assigned to a person in position X. That just encourages some to go after direct targets. Obviously, many of those higher up at ND have public accounts, and while I'm sure they expect tweets like those below at this moment in time, it's still best not to get too direct for now. Stating Druckmann is specifically complicit in/responsible for rape culture is not exactly founded just quite yet.
Stating Druckmann is specifically complicit in/responsible for rape culture is not exactly founded just quite yet.
Hmmmm not sounding good for Ballard
Stating Druckmann is specifically complicit in/responsible for rape culture is not exactly founded just quite yet.
I never stated such as thing--perhaps you're thinking of a different poster?
Sorry, I know you didn't. I was just trying to back up my feelings that it's best not to try and speculate who it is. As I said I fully expect Neil and others high up at ND with public Twitter accounts will be expecting people to be saying things, and being emotional, but for now everyone needs to remember they're people too and as of this moment, we don't have enough evidence for who to publicly go after.
There's also plenty of shitty victim blaming on Twitter as well and "they're just doing it for money ND". All in I simply wish people would stop posting dumb shit on twitter, or at least remember when they @ someone, an actual person will be reading that.
Why this obsession with druckmann ?Okay, fair enough. I just think it's wise not to summarise an accusation must mean a certainty of being assigned to a person in position X. That just encourages some to go after direct targets. Obviously, many of those higher up at ND have public accounts, and while I'm sure they expect tweets like those below at this moment in time, it's still best not to get too direct for now. Stating Druckmann is specifically complicit in/responsible for rape culture is not exactly founded just quite yet.
It's Twitter. If you want actually good discourse you should read a different website, preferably not a social media one.
Why this obsession with druckmann ?
He's not the president of ND ?!
Yeah this is approaching Harvey Weinstein levels now.Wow. That makes 4 stories now about harassment at ND and the most damning corroboration I've seen yet about a toxic culture at the company.
Yeah this is approaching Harvey Weinstein levels now.
This isn't a good look for ND.
Yeah this is approaching Harvey Weinstein levels now.
This isn't a good look for ND.
Yeah this is approaching Harvey Weinstein levels now.
This isn't a good look for ND.
Yeah this is approaching Harvey Weinstein levels now.
This isn't a good look for ND.
Yeah this is approaching Harvey Weinstein levels now.
This isn't a good look for ND.
All of this sounds to me like a bunch/few of leads who are high off their own farts and think thier better then the people under them and used thier power to pushed around/abuse the little people.
Ppl always bring up video game jobs as having a fucked up dynamic that takes advantage of ppl going for their "dream job" with below average pay and above average workload but cant understand that this power dynamic extends beyond that
People actually think there are companies that are somehow immune to a systemic issue that has persisted through all of human civilization lol.
ND definitely has people on their roster who have sexually harassed women. Just like every other company.
Dismissive of people trying to justify this as a few bad apples, yeah. It's a stupid ahistorical response to this.Speaking of dismissive. I'm sure that the chance increases as the number of employees and age of the companies increase simply due to the greater amount of people under the company's umbrella, but different company cultures can handle it differently.
What?