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Liam Robertson (of Unseen64 fame): "NX is not aiming to compete on a power level"
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You realize that was a joke tweet, right?So it's official:
Guy likes to play games with his tweets just as much as anything else, and his non-specificity regarding this "information" makes it even worse.
EDIT: And he likes being wrong with his industry sources, as well. Yeah, let's pack this up, folks.
Obviously a joke = playing games.
Combined with "Fallout 4 apparently being cross-gen", enjoying toying with people (even if in obvious ways) and the fact that he can't even identify what type of hardware it is? There's nothing to base anything off of there; it's a nothingburger. Plain and simple.
Did he just make his twitter private?
Funnily enough he's more likely than not continuing reading this thread
Fella accused GAF as a whole of trying to stir drama out of anything, spreading lies, what have you. I think he should chill, most people in this thread are taking his word as Gospel, it's like he's focusing on the detractors only.
Funnily enough he's more likely than not continuing reading this thread
Fella accused GAF as a whole of trying to stir drama out of anything, spreading lies, what have you. I think he should chill, most people in this thread are taking his word as Gospel, it's like he's focusing on the detractors only.
May I ask why you think It wouldn't be a handheld? I do think there will be a home console part but I fully expect a handheld to be there.
To be honest, unless one of the other two decided to drop out of the running, I don't honestly see a point in Nintendo competing at a hardware level. There's no need for them to do so. I think their strategy is the best that they could hope for. That's just one man's opinion, though.
That sounds like a joke, to me.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
You....realise this is a joke...right?
Gambit 1138
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I actually am surprised by this. I thought Iwata would learn his lesson after the Wii and Wii U but clearly not. Just because the Gamecube didnt light the world on fire didnt mean that Nintendo should abandon cutting edge graphics. It's what defined the NES, SNES and n64 eras. Shame Shame Iwata
As I said earlier, we already know that the NX isn't a hybrid.
By making the console version of the NX not far above the Wii U, they can sell it at a ridiculously low price to where it's an impulse buy. People mainly buy Nintendo console for Nintendo games. Nintendo knows this, third parties know this , & (as much as some of us want to deny it) we know this. Might as well price it like one.
Eolz
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Obviously an handheld won't compete with a PS4...
That's part of what he does, yeah. As far as I know, he has contacts in the industry though. But his "big" current rumors seem to always be second-hand.
That's part of what he does, yeah. As far as I know, he has contacts in the industry though. But his "big" current rumors seem to always be second-hand.
PS1 and PS2 both had awesome third party support while still being fairly powerful, even if they weren't the strongest. Nintendo's last two consoles have been so weak hardware wise that third parties just don't bother.
If you actually did the minimum amount of research and browsed through his tweets, you'd know two things:
1. He does leak stuff that turns out to be true, also stuff that was true but got cancelled
2. People in the know (like ex-Nintendo devs, for example) are eager to talk to him, at least more so than to you or me
It's sad how easily people here discredit other people's work just to post something smirky.
EDIT: Also obviously Fallout 4 couldn't have ever been considered a cross-gen game because it looks so good, amirite
DownGrader
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I do. I just re-quoted it to show TheGreatMightyPoo that this was a joke, but it seems some people here still think it's real. Damn.
Methos#1975
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The Wii U sales are abysmal. Why would they want to emulate anything close to that Disaster?
Maybe someone already addressed this, but basically it would one, be a handheld that day one has an in place stellar catalog. Two, it would bridge both of Nintendo's markets together which we know is a stated goal. And just because the Wii U is doing poorly, that doesn't by necessity indicate that a portable addition to that ecosystem would. I mean I am no fan of the Wii U at all, but I would love to play say the next Zelda during class breaks and then chill at home on my TV and finish off where I was. Sure Nintendo would really need to revamp their online service and add a cloud based save system to make this work, but I think its an idea with merit.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
And the GameCube struggled against Sony. And PCs offer a successful hardware/software ecosystem that transcends the entire concept of console hardware generations. And mobile devices, phones and tablets, continue to sell well. And dedicated portable gaming devices still exist. And companies are now experimenting with streaming services.
You want Nintendo to run the same race as Sony and Microsoft. That's fine. But they're not and arguably don't have to in order to be successful, of which is impossible to predict without knowing the specifics. That's the point.
i don't think anyone saw nintendo going for state of the art innards, but the PS4 spec in 2016 is far, far from that. by then it'll be roughly on the same point on the tech curve as the wii was in 2006. to treat that as some dizzy moonshot target seems mental.
the conclusion to be drawn from this is that if the wii/wii-u represent a half step away from the tech arms race, the NX will be a full leap. likely to be a supercharged android TV box rather than a low powered games console.
the conclusion to be drawn from this is that if the wii/wii-u represent a half step away from the tech arms race, the NX will be a full leap. likely to be a supercharged android TV box rather than a low powered games console.
I doubt this guy has any legit info, but it's not exactly a difficult guess to make.
Nintendo isn't going to suddenly change strategy and join the performance arms-race. I look at games like Mario Kart 8 and Yoshi's Wooly World and on a graphical level they impress me more than anything that's out for PS4 and Xbone so far. Diminishing returns is a fact and Nintendo can't afford a console that is much more expensive and requires a substantial increase in manpower and man-hours in order to utilize to the fullest.
Nintendo isn't going to suddenly change strategy and join the performance arms-race. I look at games like Mario Kart 8 and Yoshi's Wooly World and on a graphical level they impress me more than anything that's out for PS4 and Xbone so far. Diminishing returns is a fact and Nintendo can't afford a console that is much more expensive and requires a substantial increase in manpower and man-hours in order to utilize to the fullest.
Glass Rebel
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nvm misread
Be honest, those third parties weren't gonna get on-board anyway.
He's right either way until he specifies the form factor(s) of the NX.
Nintendo releases a cheap box: See guys I was right!
Nintendo releases a SKU of the NX that is a powerful home console: I was talking about the portable, not that one!
Reasons:
-Developer saying that the next Metroid Prime should be on NX imply its a home console
-Wii U sales are far worse than 3DS sales
-While 2016's lineup looks dire for both the 3DS and Wii U, the Wii U has had most of its games announced much further in advance than the 3DS has, making its 2016 lineup turning around seem far more likely than the Wii U's turning around
-The NX looks to be launching in fall 2016. The Wii and Wii U launched in fall 2016, whilst handhelds have launched in the spring fairly often
-Their big goal is creating a more unified ecosystem. The other's replacement won't be far behind. But I don't see them launching both their portable and their home console at the exact same time, and personally, I think the home console will come first
I don't think that the 'low-power + low-price + gimmick' formula is something that is destined to fail.
It's just that Wii U was 'low-power + high-price + shitty gimmick that Nintendo hasn't justified until today' and 3DS was 'low-power + high-price + shitty gimmick that lost all meaning not even a year later'.
The question that interests me the most right now is what is their gimmick they try to keep a secret at every cost?
It's just that Wii U was 'low-power + high-price + shitty gimmick that Nintendo hasn't justified until today' and 3DS was 'low-power + high-price + shitty gimmick that lost all meaning not even a year later'.
The question that interests me the most right now is what is their gimmick they try to keep a secret at every cost?
Sephiroth_GR_
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Yeah...which is weird. How the hell are they going to get 3rd parties onboard if it's a Wii situation?
Which means there can be incorrect details. At E3, he knew about Hyrule Warriors 3DS, but he said it would've been announced on the Friday before E3 (...which didn't make much sense, since both NWC and DE were imminent). In fact, it was announced during the Digital Event. Probably, he heard about some NX details, but he doesn't know what is NX, if it's a handheld or a home console. Which is lol, because...of course a handheld isn't PS4-power levels (if it's a handheld), but still.
We will never know. If they were on par with PS4 and Xbox One? The gaming industry has changed a lot since the Gamecube.
BocoDragon
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I'm not convinced there is a gimmick. But if there is a gimmick... I don't expect another wiz-bang new controller idea.
Americanmushroom
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People already stating DOA... It's like the Wii never existed to them.
Glitchesarecool
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I mean, did anyone really expect Nintendo to go the power route? They can make gangbusters off of a simpler, intuitive gimmick or opening into a whole new market.
Can't wait to find out what it actually is.
Can't wait to find out what it actually is.
Mark III was more powerful than NES, failed
Mega Drive/Genesis was more powerful than SNES, failed
N64 was more powerful than PSX, failed
GameCube was more powerful than PS2, failed
There is nothing to "learn" here. I can't think of a single video game console (or a handheld one) that was more powerful than its competitors and still sold more units. Wii U is actually the first time this happens.
I don't know what can be done about a Nintendo system's launch day lineup. Their strength is to release one high quality title per month and 2-3 big games per year.
Maybe a launch day 3D Mario from EAD Tokyo can make a difference this time, but it's still only one game so it doesn't solve the fundamental issue.
Yep. It's basically the easiest bet to make in the whole world when "NX" doesn't refer to a singular hardware configuration. But I'm sure that this tweet is going to gain a lot of mileage in discussions moving forward for no reason, because people want to prove their opinion on what NX is was right prematurely.
BocoDragon
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There is part of me that wishes they tried this once.
It's like... "we can't compete on hardware, we have to do things our way".... but then, they often fail with that strategy!
What if they did compete with a competitive x86 box? Maybe more success....? Who knows.
Eolz
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Yep.
The guy can be great on twitter, just as he can have some serious communication problems.
DownGrader
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"B-but it was just one time! It doesn't count! And it was not for pro hardcore dedicated gamers!"
I get your reasons. I dont think a handheld will stop Metroid Prime being made if it's around Vita level. Even then I expect a handheld before the console.
Glass Rebel
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I get the feeling that there is no gimmick this time around, at least not in the way the Wii or Wii U had it. If NX is a platform that works across multiple devices, they will need a control scheme that is as standardized as possible.
Then again, this is Nintendo and I am just looking at all the shit that works on a Wii U, so...
The Sarcastic Dude
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Mega Drive didn't fail in any sense of the imagination. And Snes was more powerful. The MD only had a better CPU.
You sure?
I feel like the way Iwata talks recently suggests that there might be indeed a gimmick; something that he takes as a reason to not talk about NX for now.
And I'm terrified they will build their whole pitch around it yet again.
pinkurocket
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Nintendo has already show they don't care much about the power race and the ever-increasing expensive development costs to produce top-level graphics. I wouldn't be surprised. However I don't take the tweet in OP seriously, even if he does have insider info it's such a broad statement that it's really just that... hm.
True. Part of us know they never will but part of us want just to see them try in this current market.
If I recall correctly, the SNES was more powerful.
Developers want their games on platforms where they are going to be successful. That will never change.
PdotMichael
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What kind of logic I'm supposed to see here? Also the Mega Drive didn't "fail" against the SNES - the sales are pretty close with SEGA having the edge in North America.
The only thing you can see is that the console with the third party support sells the most and that are right now the powerful PS4 and Xbox One.
This is a myth, all those consoles were largely in the same ball park power wise, they also launched at different times etc and failed way more then because they were more powerful.
daTRUballin
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It's kind of a shame. It would've been great to see them be at least on par with Sony and Microsoft in terms of power.
Looks like those days are over. ._.
Looks like those days are over. ._.
Whatever, the point is, neither of them was much more powerful than the other. The gap wasn't as big as with, say, PSX vs N64
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