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Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII launches in Japan with low sales of 277k
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BrokenIcarus
Member
This one definitely looked the best out of those three.
But fool me once I guess
But fool me once I guess
Zabant
Member
The suits will see this and start funding more remakes, as SE is a very reactionary company.
Time will tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
Not going to lie, I would be endlessly happy if a AAA reworked, fully voice acted FFVIII (that's right, three I's) came out for PS4.
If XV ends up sucking then might as well just close down the company.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
This makes me even more interested as to how well FFX HD does compared to this. I wonder if even the Vita version will out sell this
killatopak
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Meccanical
Member
Only after he organizes the file cabinets and takes out the trash.
Watch some nutjob argue that the above list proves that XIII is better than IX.
Than why did XIII sell almost 2 million on the same console? Go home Perfo you're drunk
Now this is hilarious.
You know I enjoyed IX character designs they were something different so IX>XIII for me in that regard.
In all fairness, Vincent is badass.
Oh please stop with this nonsense. If a game is bad then it should bomb. If a company consistently makes bad games then they should fail or reevaluate their efforts. Dont say bullshit like saying, "we shouldnt want a game to fail." If we went in with this mindset then the market would be filled with shit games and we would give freepasses to everyone. Just stop
HolyBaikal
Banned
And I'm glad to see that happen. Tales has long been a noteworthy franchise in Japan. That most Westerners were late to discovering along with Dragon Quest due to poorer localization than Final Fantasy.
I've always wanted to see Tales grow and get greater recognition. It doesn't surprise me that Tales has sold better than Final Fantasy in Japan. It has always been pretty well known. Though it still hasn't been quite as popular as Final Fantasy.
So to see it grow to become more of a flagship franchise in Japan than Final Fantasy, and grow in success and popularity like this makes me very happy. I've hoped for Tales to become more successful than Final Fantasy since the 32-bit era.
I hope that the same can start to become true in the West.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
And he needs to buy all the coffee, replace the coffee filters and buy a few new printers along with a lot of paper.
It's a demanding job.
DrROBschiz
Member
Storytelling? Disagree here. The lore wrote up in the menus was better than how it was presented onscreen. Some of the worst dialogue I have seen in a long time.
OST. Actually ok. I can concede this having listened to it several times. Too much orchestra and not enough melodies though.
Art Style - yeah it was a pretty game but the world was fragmented as hell. I like coherrent connected worlds ALA Dark Souls
Bosses - Figure out how to inflict Break status.. Rinse repeat.
Paradigm System - Neat idea, poor execution. Very few ways to skin a cat in fights.
Japan likes 3D Mario about as much as they like Sonic these days (whih is not at all).
Also, there are so many things wrong with trying to use the Wii U as a barometer of the state of the home market.
I would indeed like to see Tales get more popularity. And I think that it's pretty telling that SE decides to focus on XIII right when Namco finally discovered where the Tales fanbase was (on PS3) after platform hopping in the first half of the generation.
With that said, it seems more of a hollow victory for Tales; it prevailed in popularity over a series that SE should have seen the writing on the wall; Lightning is not nearly as popular as some people here seem to think.
Any normal logical publisher would see this and realize their product is a piece of shit that nobody wants, and make sure the people who were in charge of it are never in charge of another big project again *coughcoughKitaseandToriyamacough*
SE is going to see this and conclude that console games no longer sell and that they should focus entirely on mobile.
SE is going to see this and conclude that console games no longer sell and that they should focus entirely on mobile.
Completely agree...fast paced =/= better...
The home console market in japan is dead. Even Mario sold low numbers and that's one of the greatest games made. The only thing japan wants is mobile games/systems. The only place the home console can survive is in America and Europe. Games for those systems from Japanese devs will become increasingly western in style.
The release of the PS4 is not something I can see changing the trend of declining home console sales. Sad but true.
The release of the PS4 is not something I can see changing the trend of declining home console sales. Sad but true.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Than why did XIII sell almost 2 million on the same console? Go home Perfo you're drunk
Because it was 5 yrs ago bro. A century ago in this market.
It's obvious to everyone knowing the market a bit that Japan is slowing leaving the home console market for 100% a portable reign. Sure this is a third chapter in an already not-that-loved series but don't think that's all there is to it. FFXIII released today would never be able to sell as much as it did in 2009. The home market in Japan is simply vanishing. PS4, One and Wii U will be its tomb.
HolyBaikal
Banned
I disagree strongly.
Yup and apparently that difference is '270k sales, see there is a market for that kind of game, we need more of them !' versus '270k sales, absolutly no one wanted that game ( they all had a gun pointed at their so to make them buy it probably )'.
Or it comes from the budget maybe, since every single thread about LR explained how it was all new big quality asset, a big dev time and all, must be it.
Well we'll find out when XV comes out.
Finally it's over. I hope SE learns its lesson and does not plan sequels for FFXV and focuses on the development of FFXVI for the same generation instead. Would be great to have more than one Non-MMO Main-Title in one generation again. If one considers the fact that FFXV is "only" FFvXIII with another name we haven't really seen anything "new" in regards to FF Main-Titles since the announcement of FFXIII and FFvXIII in 2006...
This will just be an excuse for them to
shy away from real full-fledged games and just go deeper into mobile / online / whatever.
Happy to see that the fatigue with this now shitty series is not mine to bear alone, but unhappy that this will ultimately only mean worse things for Square.
shy away from real full-fledged games and just go deeper into mobile / online / whatever.
Happy to see that the fatigue with this now shitty series is not mine to bear alone, but unhappy that this will ultimately only mean worse things for Square.
Perfo...
I will buy lightning returns day one because the battlesystem and the hard difficult look fucking AMAZING
and i am sure XV will be awesome as well.And FF7 is still KING (gamefaq challanges and Tifas Bootleg
) the gameplay, events and atmosphere are still without equal.DrROBschiz
Member
Final Fantasy could take a few lessons form Dark Souls though. Heck they used to do some of the great things Dark Souls does so right
- Every piece of equipment matters
- Treasure Hunting is Fun
- Connecting and Detail oriented Design, Characters and World
- Fantastic and eye catching fantasy designs
- Lots of secrets, subtley, strategy, and endless customization
Stuff that is very lost in FFXIII
DC1
Member
It's OK.:lol you guys are too much. Its good to see people happy in a XIII thread for a change though.
I really hope XV sucks and bombs so people can feel how hard it is to be a fan of something that everyone else hates in here.
It will be like a personal vendetta.
It won't happen though
I'll buy Lightning part 3.... However more so because I platted the first two and am now compelled to see how it all ends.
For the record FF13-1 is by far my favorite of the two. I'm just hoping the third can meet my lowered expectations.
...I keep telling myself "...Please be excited"
Dark_castle
Junior Member
First step is to stop recycling environment like mad. I'm looking at you, Tales of Xillia.
Dragon1893
Member
Hardly surprising. I've been saying it for months, FFX HD will outsell it by far. I hope SE got the message, though at this point it doesn't matter because this was the last we were gonna see from XIII anyway.
Agreed, I'm sick of hearing that nonsense as well. It's not up to the consumers to try and prop up a business. If they make stupid decisions then they should be the ones to pay for it. I'm not going to buy a game that I think is going to be crap. If Square Enix ends up going to mobile, so be it.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Hey but that's Lightning Returns in a nutshell!
Mario doesn't sell well because it's on WiiU a console which has low install base and sells like shit. LR is on PS3 a console on which it predecesor almost sold 2 million with an install base 9.5 million. The console are not vanishing there still there, PS3 sales around 12k every week. It's just that people don't want to get those FF games. Saying that's it just connected to the market is wrong it's about the game.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Super Mario 3D in Japan!
Some of the damage control done by... well, you know who, really disturbs me.
Like, it's always "the home market in Japan is shrinking" rather than just admitting that perhaps the audience is just not interested in the XIII universe anymore. I mean, relying on the former so much ignores the elephant in the room that it was outsold by Grand Theft Auto V of all things.
Like, it's always "the home market in Japan is shrinking" rather than just admitting that perhaps the audience is just not interested in the XIII universe anymore. I mean, relying on the former so much ignores the elephant in the room that it was outsold by Grand Theft Auto V of all things.
DrROBschiz
Member
Fighting those bombs was awesome.
12 was so amazing even if it was gimped from being the game it could have been