It´s an interesting comparison because a new IP with a far smaller marketing budget sold more than a game positioned as a MH substitute/ btw as Sonys answer to the loss of the MH franchise and with a much bigger marketing budget, because for its implication about the systems viability for new 3rd party investments.
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Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2013 (Mar 04 - Mar 10)
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It´s an interesting comparison because a new IP with a far smaller marketing budget sold more than a game positioned as a MH substitute/ btw as Sonys answer to the loss of the MH franchise and with a much bigger marketing budget, because for its implication about the systems viability for new 3rd party investments.
test_account
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Its fine to discuss i think, but what i wonder about is what the goal of the discussion. Was it to show that Soul Sacrifice numbers werent good because Bravely Default sold better? Or what there another goal, if yes, what was it? Honest question, i'm wondering about it.
Hehe, well, i'm just curious to why it was brought upof course... this week he can't continue his weekly "hey, look at Vita! it's doomed!!!!!11" discussion so he tried to switch to another argument
redblack85
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but come on, really matters because the installed base now?wow, what a genius...
BD sold much more on 3DS cause selling 150k from a 6mln userbase is so much easier than selling from a 1,2mln system....
didn't you realize that ? rotfl, Vita haters are really amazing
I thought that the new ip would sell only on 3DS
There are only 2 options, you searched but simply missed the comparison in this thread or just a liar.
Here: http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49986594&postcount=483
New IP's rearely do big numbers out of the gate. They build up and show legs if they are succesful. Its the sequels that show real growth. I really don't see how this comparison works in any way. SS did great, and legs will show if it will grow. Its too soon to write off SS because it sold similarly to BD. It has potential to show legs. Besides that, third party investments really should not be dependent on one game doing great or not. Vita has shown plenty of times that there is a software hungry audiance for it. I think Vita will gain momentum, eventually.
test_account
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Regarding upcoming games for the Vita, just a quick yes or no question, do you guys think there will be no big Vita titles after July (not sure whats known of upcoming games after this)?
Its fine to discuss i think, but what i wonder about is what the goal of the discussion. Was it to show that Soul Sacrifice numbers werent good because Bravely Default sold better? Honest question, i'm wondering about it.
Hehe, well, i'm just curious to why it was brought up
I don´t understand why you are so up in arms? It´s just a simple comparison between two new IPs. Does it really bother you so much that SS got outsold by Bravely Default?
test_account
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I'm not up in arms at all, why do you think that? What i'm asking is a straight forward and calm question. Maybe it is not that easy to see it because my question is in written form, but it was just a question asked in a calm manner. If you just ment it to compare two new IPs and had no other intentions behind the comparison, then why not just reply that to my question? =)
No, it doesnt bother me because they both sold about the same and i think both games will have success. It wouldnt bother me one way or the other if one game sold 500k more as long as both games have success.
zeopower6
Member
Dude, that was posted two hours after you initially made the BD vs. SS comparison.
Please just stop bringing it up.
You seem to be on some sort of mission to discredit the sales of the Vita and SS this week.frankie_baby
Member
not 3rd party exclusives
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Real life never lives up to comic books and cartoons because we may never get the origin story/flashback behind what Sony did to Laguna and if there's ever a chance he'll forgive the knave.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49974660&postcount=60
You brought up the comparison first in this thread. KillerTravis brought it after.
Dude, that was posted two hours after you initially made the BD vs. SS comparison.
Please just stop bringing it up.
Ok, I likely confused it with the older MC thread then.
zeopower6
Member
Persona 5 is PS3 most likely. Didn't Persona 4 come out on the PS2 around the time that PS3 was out?
I'm gonna hope we'll get some game announcements in the next few months unless they really want the Vita's release schedule to be pretty dry until E3/TGS...
frankie_baby
Member
not first week i dont think, possibly lifetime though
Wow can we please move on from BD VS SS.
Next week is going to be extremely telling. If there is little to no drop in hardware sales I think Sony will have positioned themselves to at least ride out the gen.
SS's legs are also going to be really telling. If it can hold fairly well Sony may have found their MonHun replacement.
If sales drop about 50% for hardware Vita will have won the battle but still lost the war.
Next week is going to be extremely telling. If there is little to no drop in hardware sales I think Sony will have positioned themselves to at least ride out the gen.
SS's legs are also going to be really telling. If it can hold fairly well Sony may have found their MonHun replacement.
If sales drop about 50% for hardware Vita will have won the battle but still lost the war.
test_account
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Sounds plausible. Although i doubt about The Last of Us 2 and Bioshock Infinte 2 (unless those were ment as jokes hehe
).I'm not sure if someone acts like victims, i see it more as calling different statements/opinions out. People have been discussing and saying similar things for as long as i can remember in these threads, and i've been reading them since 2006/2007 or so. Nothing really new in that regards
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I think an exclusive FF and especially GE isn't out of the question. If GE2 does well enough, I'm willing to bet that GE2: Burst is a vita exclusive. I think metal gear in some form is coming to vita(whether it be an exclusive title or a port of phantom pain/ground zero).
It would be great if the game performed like the first Monster Hunter Portable (which ended selling 600k copies).
zeopower6
Member
I think if they still sell pretty terribly with a constant stream of games (at least one new title (no ports) every week for a month or two), then we can probably say it's failed and lost the war. At this point though, the PSP is still releasing more new games on a more consistent basis than the Vita which IMO is one of the big reasons why the Vita hasn't really found its legs. The PSP is still around and the Japanese still love it! (and you can't play the UMDs on the Vita...)
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I think we will first have to clarify what it means by "big" here, especially regarding the context of big on an overall term or big for the vita. For example, an indle game is seem as "big" for the vita, but i wouldn't say it is big in general. A mid tier game port like street fighter x tekken or mortal kombat is big for the vita but not in general term too.
When will the Vita ever get a consistent stream of games though? It's suffered through droughts its entire life.
I don't think that's very plausible.
zeopower6
Member
Yeah, its entire 16-17 month lifetime. It's been around for so long, yet there aren't many games out! Next year at least should be a bit brighter for the Vita considering that last year, it was only about 4 months old.
I can't help but feel that the decision to not include a UMD drive in the Vita probably made people stick to their PSPs even more and that the existence of the PSP alongside the Vita is cannibalizing it for now
I don't think that's very plausible.
fuck, stop hating.
I don't think that's very plausible.
Why not? We don't know nothing at this point. BTW: MHP was the title that made MH popular in Japan.
test_account
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Yeah, "big" is a vague description of it indeed. I was mostly thinking about some noticeable release, maybe 100k+ seller or so.
Exterminieren
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How true is this really, though?
I mean, this isn't like the 3DS/ DS situation in the States; PSP just isn't selling any more, and hasn't been for over a year. It's not that there's a problem transitioning PSP buyers to Vita, it's that people aren't buying PSP or Vita in regular big numbers.
Simply because it would have to sell to 50% of the userbase for that to happen. And that kinda attach rate is unheard of for a new IP. (There are other factors going against that happening, but still.)
I don't think it is unreasonable to think that it will be hard for Soul Sacrifice to reach 600K and seems unlikely with the current userbase.
zeopower6
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Hadn't the PSP been outselling the Vita for the last few months in Japan? North America doesn't really seem to count since handheld sales overall are pretty dim here anyway.
test_account
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The userbase will also grow over time, so it wont necessarily be around 50%.
sechsterangriff
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The Vita hasn't had any real droughts of games. It has droughts of big seller exclusives. "games" don't exist in just the form of a boxed product that you buy exclusive to a platform. The appeal is a completely different issue though.
Dude, it's the game's first week. It may not reach those numbers, but lets see if it has some legs first.I don't think that's very plausible.
The PSP wasn't exactly on fire either when the first MHP made the IP and the platform truly popular.
pharmboy044
Member
When do we usually get shipment numbers? I'd like to know how SS Sold.
test_account
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Media Create usually gives some shipment numbers in about 27 hours from now. No guarantee that they will mention Soul Sacrifice's shipment though.
So where´s the problem with the comparison then? It´s not like I didn´t explain the reason, But instead of a discussion some other users feel the need to "protect the honor of SS" with some stupid remarks. And yes I think Soul Sacrifice didn´t sell well enough to attract other 3rd party publishers attention with this kind of sales. Like I already said it only did good for itself but failed to have 1st week sales that could rise the interest of other 3rd parties in my opinion, only long legs could change that.
pharmboy044
Member
Thanks. People have mentioned it's been sold out at a few places and I would love to know exactly how well it's selling.
frankie_baby
Member
its worth noting the original monster hunter portable launched during the holidays so that wouldnt have done its legs any harm, worth noting for those that think SS could follow a similar path
How about you stop hating other peoples opinions? Right now there just isn´t any software announced that looks likely to sell 600k units on PSV in Japan, deal with it.
If the icons in the famitsu chart are of any indication it sold between 76% and 100% of its shipments. (If the icons are actually about shipments)
I was talking more in terms of relevant-selling games (which I'd say a game qualifies if it reaches 50k+ lifetime), and the Vita has only had 13 of those in its lifespan.
Also, I'd agree with you if not for the fact that it sold 70% of its shipment first week. Pretty good, but nothing mindblowing that makes me think it will sell 500k more copies.
I'm pretty sure ohlawd was joking.
I also think it would be pretty hard for a game to have an attach ratio of 50%.
70% sell-through was for the first day of the limited edition SS.
Yeah, and after the holidays it did even better (low 30s in December vs high 30s in February). Maybe there was a stock problem?
I sincerely hope that no one is expecting Soul Sacrifice to follow a similar path.
oh shit lol that was sarcasm.
if you ever read this Wynebeck, I know how you feel now
I'm pretty sure ohlawd was joking.
I also think it would be pretty hard for a game to have an attach ratio of 50%.
thank you man.
I got your back next time
70% of the special edition.