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My, how Tekken has faded.
What do people expect from Pokken Switch by the way? Do people think that the WiiU held back the sales potential a lot?
My, how Tekken has faded.
It has always been taboo to mix trackers, especially without noting it as you originally did. You don't know the methodology of either tracker. It is quite likely Media Create includes some sort of digital estimate in their sales number and Famitsu breaks it out into the separate charts.
Some one else who is more knowledgeable on the matter probably could elaborate a bit more than I can.
What do people expect from Pokken Switch by the way? Do people think that the WiiU held back the sales potential a lot?
Pokken's the reason. So is Xenoverse. If your narrative is only Smash doing well means the genre's dead, but you and I can both name other fighters that are also doing well, that means you need a new narrative. Simple.
Capcom stumbled with SF and Namco with Tekken. VF is dead and buried, KOF hasn't been a leading seller in 3 generations now. It's not the 90s anymore but that doesn't mean the genre is dead because the top sellers are different.
Im baffled as to why you keep citing information why it wont sell 4 million, the thought itself is impossible.
No console has ever sold that much in a year in Japan.
And this is isnt the early 2000's. There is a huge contrast in home console sales now.
The Switch would have to sell at insane proportions in a weekly basis for that to even be feasible, which means selling more than the PS2 and Wii did on a weekly basis in their peak. Which is an impossible feat with the status of japan's console market today.
Must be your anti-Nintendo bias working overtime. It blinds you to context.I don't see how you can talk out of both sides of your mouth like that when saying Pokken is fine and Tekken stumbled.
Mixing trackers in terms of physical sales sure - digital estimates isn't anything I'm too fussed about. I could say all physically released Switch games have 10% digital attach rate and I'd probably end up on average as right as Famitsu Digital Estimates.
Quite likely isn't gospel and I very much doubt other trackers include any sort of digital estimates in their sales numbers because they would have disclosed such a thing.
Sadly yeh. I guess if anything the Japanese market is showing traditional 2D fighters just aren't all that popular anymore. The fighters that do better do something different. We'll see how ARMs does, but it's definitely something very different in terms of the fighting genre.
So the SD collection was almost at 30k...ugh.
05./04. [3DS] Monster Hunter Double Cross <ACT> (Capcom) {2017.03.18} (¥5.800) - 12.263 / 1.502.606 (+10%)
what happened to this?
Must be your anti-Nintendo bias working overtime. It blinds you to context.
It will be dead because Nintendo doesn't count and has no value.Whats hard to understand that Tekken is considered stumbled as it shows that they are declining for each release and shows no sign of stopping.
While Pokken is considered successful as even with Wii U limiting its potential sales, it still did a respectful number for a new fighting game IP even when it had Pokemon IP attached.
And i don't understand how u call fighting game genre is dying when we already see that Pokken, Xenoverse and Smash all did really well. Now, if ARMS come out and also did great, will you also call the genre is dead?
lolololUltra Street Fighter 2 Road To 100k 2017 Dramatic Battle
Week 1 - 16.404 / NEW
Week 2 - 4.735 / 21.139
Only 78,861 units to go.
There is a long history behind this and it lead to the formation of VG Chartz (which is banned on GAF) and ioi getting banned.
Just Capcom being smart with that 3DS->Switch progress transfer.
There is a long history behind this and it lead to the formation of VG Chartz (which is banned on GAF) and ioi getting banned.
It will be dead because Nintendo doesn't count and has no value.
Afaik Pokken WiiU was close to a million seller worldwide.
I mean, do I really have to break this down for you?Your posts aren't helping anything either.
Do you not know how big Tekken used to be?I don't see how you can talk out of both sides of your mouth like that when saying Pokken is fine and Tekken stumbled.
What part of demand is there but supply is not don't you comprehend?
SD did great for an overpriced rom collection from a dead franchise. Tekken 7 is more disappointing than expected.
[PS1] Tekken 2 - 367,666 / 1,088,069
[PS1] Tekken 3 - 671,886 / 1,186,119
[PS2] Tekken 4 - 176,280 / 318,920
[PS2] Tekken 5 - 216,566 / 317,357
[PS3] Tekken 6 - 120,304 / 190,900
[360] Tekken 6 - 26,341 / 48,378
[PS4] Tekken 7 - 58,736
[XBO] Tekken 7 - 2,721 >
I believe 2-6 numbers are from Famitsu.
SD did great for an overpriced rom collection from a dead franchise. Tekken 7 is more disappointing than expected.
[PS1] Tekken 2 - 367,666 / 1,088,069
[PS1] Tekken 3 - 671,886 / 1,186,119
[PS2] Tekken 4 - 176,280 / 318,920
[PS2] Tekken 5 - 216,566 / 317,357
[PS3] Tekken 6 - 120,304 / 190,900
[360] Tekken 6 - 26,341 / 48,378
[PS4] Tekken 7 - 58,736
[XBO] Tekken 7 - 2,721 >
I believe 2-6 numbers are from Famitsu.
you just compare the sales of the first 3 months of the ps4 against the sales of the first 3 months of the switch and you will get why there are people believing it will do 4 mil a year if they produce enough consolesWhat part of demand not equaling 4 million sold in a year and outselling the total of PS4's units sold in Japan in a year did you conviniently skipped tho?
i think the potential is quite higher than what it did on wiiu mainly for being a pokemon spinoff on a consoleGood numbers for Seiken Densetsu collection, but not a big surprise, in my opinion. The Mario, Kirby and Dragon Quest collections all did very well. Seiken Densetsu isnt on the same level regarding popularity in comparison, but its not exactly an unknown serie either
Whats the point with the dissing?
The defintion of being a dead genre is kinda loose. I mean, Tekken 7 did nearly 60k. Isolated, that is still a fair share of copies. These games used to sell much more however, Tekken was once a million seller. Its also likely that games like Pokken would have sold much more many years ago.
What do people expect from Pokken Switch by the way? Do people think that the WiiU held back the sales potential a lot?
Specifically for the Chartz part, it's because they pull numbers out of their butt and call them truthfact sales data (explained more eloquently and in far greater detail here http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18919)As a newbie, I'd be curious to know what the deal is with that.
Toni, why are you so bothered by the idea of Switch selling 4 million in a year?
if he's not bothered by it, why did he keep bringing that up?I doubt he's bothered by something that's not gonna happen
I doubt he's bothered by something that's not gonna happen
you just compare the sales of the first 3 months of the ps4 against the sales of the first 3 months of the switch and you will get why there are people believing it will do 4 mil a year if they produce enough consoles
if he's not bothered by it, why did he keep bringing that up?
Why are you so confident?
It's a 2 year old game to themNearly 30k for an expensive rom collection from a pretty dead franchise isn't too bad.
Pretty awful opening for Tekken.
Oh I just saw his one post lmfao
Oh I just saw his one post lmfao
Because I'm just basing it off the low sales/shipments?
Well you wrote more words so I'll give you credit for that. However I feel like you should take that extra time you took to be dismissive to me and actually further your own in depth examination. You've got the Street Fighter sales numbers wrong since if you just look at the top 100 sales for the year the xbox 360 copies would not show up there.I mean, do I really have to break this down for you?
Pokken released on Wii U, in 2016 when Nintendo had basically given up on the system and it missed out on nearly all the arcade updates. Despite that it still sold better than most of the 90s lumunaries you mentioned post-90s including SFIV, SSFIV, SFV, VF4 Evo, VF5, TTT2 and every KOF after 97. The game did okay, around 70k first week and an impressive 170k overall. And it would've done better if not limited by it's platform and lack of dlc.
Tekken 7 stumbled because it's a drop from the last couple series installments. Nearly half what T6 did and a little behind TTT2 as well.
This isn't "talking out both sides of my mouth". It's doing a deeper examination than simply throwing up my hands, proclaiming the genre dead, discounting any games that show otherwise and asking to have the obvious explained to me. Is that better?
Do you not know how big Tekken used to be?
Man what's with that crazy drop from 3 to 4?? Tekken 3 is great so shouldn't 4 have benefitted. What were the #s for TTT on ps2?
Oh right, I should've specified leading versions. If you add 360 or 3DS ports then SFIV and SSSFIV sold more. Although that'll flip with Pokken Switch.Well you wrote more words so I'll give you credit for that. However I feel like you should take that extra time you took to be dismissive to me and actually further your own in depth examination. You've got the Street Fighter sales numbers wrong since if you just look at the top 100 sales for the year the xbox 360 copies would not show up there.
I also don't disagree that there is an obvious decline in the sales of Tekken, however it is entirely in line with how many copies other fighting games sell. It just shows that it's not immune to the overall declining sales of fighting games like any other.
I'm fine with the part saying "it may be premature". I can see that point of view.Id love for Nintendo to have a homerun in a market thats predominant with the PlayStation brand, but we are dealing with very stricts detriments that the Japan console market poses.
That plus recent stock issues and competition in the smartphone and console market (PS4 is set to have a crazy holidays this year) in Japan.
Man what's with that crazy drop from 3 to 4?? Tekken 3 is great so shouldn't 4 have benefitted. What were the #s for TTT on ps2?
If it contains Shining Force 3 (with every scenarios) I'd double dip instantly.Thats a guarantee lol.^^
Now, if only Sega would give us Shining Collection.T_T They will rack all those muney lol.
Oh right, I should've specified leading versions. If you add 360 or 3DS ports then SFIV and SSSFIV sold more. Although that'll flip with Pokken Switch.
And we've moved from dead to declining! Congrats on your New Narrative!
Much better than Tokyo Xanadu eX+'s severe drop in its second week, followed by Media Creates not even listing sales numbers for it. I bet Ys VIII PS4's already sold most of its stock, meaning Falcom's calculated this well. And including a promo artbook for Sen no Kiseki III plays into their hype cycle perfectly, getting more of their Kiseki buyers onto PS4 in turn.-63% is a pretty good drop for Ys, right
That's like what I expected from the first week on the second
Plus the English fan translations, of course. There's no good reason why SEGA can't be nice and license those scripts, but of course Japan would have to make this call, which is why we're never getting a modern re-release of SFIII anyway.If it contains Shining Force 3 (with every scenarios) I'd double dip instantly.