dragonbane
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Microsoft aims for 40% market share in Germany
- Thread starter chadskin
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40% seems unrealistic at their price point vs PS4 - but on the other hand they're right a lot is likely to come down to how the current Wii market-share divides over the Wii U, PS4 and XB1 and on the evidence Sony and MS look like to gain some share from Nintendo at this point in time.
I think the price point of PS4 and the remaining negative cloud around XB1 is going to see Sony gain back from marketshare from Nintendo than MS though.
Still, you never know until it happens.
I think the price point of PS4 and the remaining negative cloud around XB1 is going to see Sony gain back from marketshare from Nintendo than MS though.
Still, you never know until it happens.
Hazelhurst
Member
Was God of War III/Ascension banned in Germany? Seems like they would have been due to their gruesome nature.
Inspectah_Deck
Member
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Amazon.de charts don't look too promising for MS.
Especially given that XboxOne releases in 5 days and Ps4 in 12 days.
http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=sr_bs_1#1
Especially given that XboxOne releases in 5 days and Ps4 in 12 days.
http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=sr_bs_1#1
Hasn't changed a lot i think. I even think many people don't know they changed their policies (xbox180). People in Germany are extremely cautious when it comes to their privacy which might be for historic reasons (Gestapo, Stasi). When Google street view started here there was a public outcry against it and thousands of houses have been censored. A camera in the living is a no go for many.
From my experience public perception didn't change since major news circles only reported the negative stuff (Easy news with the parallel NSA stuff). Among gamers Playstation only gained popularity, a lot of them are annoyed they have to pay for Kinect. The fact that PS4 orders can't be fullfilled until January while XB1 will be delivered at release even if you order just now is worrying.
MS dun goofed.
Haunted
Member
Hasn't changed at all, people are very wary of Microsoft and their plans.
No one I know believes the 180 in policy is indicative of a true reform, most see it as lip service. Appeasement to make sure people buy in, then they flip the switch.
I don't say this lightly, but I think MS' reputation in Germany is at an all-time low.
Says it all when Wii U production stops and PS4's implode that Xboxone still only gets 40% marketshare.
Bedameister
Member
It wouldn't surprise me if the market share will even drop below 30%
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
Vergiss es, MS.
Especially since the hdmi in feature is basically useless over here.
Especially since the hdmi in feature is basically useless over here.
For this to happen Sony would have to do worse than it did with PS3. Think about that.
The PAL market was created by Sony.
The PAL market was created by Sony.
Or for Nintendo to do worse. Nintendo was king of Germany.
Surprisingly, the 360 was #1 in the UK in the end, overtaking the Wii.
aygomyownroad
Member
The whole of Europe will be a struggle for Microsoft.
Even with Nintendo not doing great with the WiiU I cant see the xbox one improving on the market share they already have.
Even with Nintendo not doing great with the WiiU I cant see the xbox one improving on the market share they already have.
DerZuhälter
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I think it's a bit of a mixed bag. "Public" perception was very negative considering the first "always conntected to kinect" news. That changed but not everyone knows about it outside of the tech realm. But: Kinect, motion controls and that Skype as demostrated by Mehdi and Whitten can always be a game changer for the more "casual" audience, if only they knew about it.
With the "core" audience I see on messageboards most (who aren't PC only and blaming consoles for slowing PC progress down) are weighing in on the Sony sides, just because of the superior tech in combination with a lower price tag, especially since Kinect causing the additional 100euros isn't seen as an added value for games.
The stellar first party line-up of Sony and MS lacking in that regard is also on a lot of peoples mind.
MoogleWizard
Member
Good luck with that.
Condemned, Dead Rising, Gears of War before 3 and Crackdown were indexed (practically banned). That REALLY hurt the 360's game lineup in the early days.
Good luck with that.
This was my first thought on hearing that MS wanted this, talk about bad timing.
King Beyond the wall
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Never gonna happen. For anyone interested, here is the amazon Germany bestsellers list for games. The important thing here is that the Xbox one is out in 5 days whilst the PS4 isn't out for another 11 days.
http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=sv_vg_0#1
http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=sv_vg_0#1
rudieboy77
Member
Are they going to change the name to PC 1?
LinkToTheFuture
Member
Who knows. I'm not the type of person to just write something off based on past behavior of a product. Crazier things have happened.
Microsoft just didn't really try in continental Europe. That's MS's problem. They don't really try too hard anywhere outside the US and UK.
sublimit
Banned
Their image is not too hot either.It's not as bad as it is in Japan but it's not anywhere near Sony/Nintendo levels of acceptance either.Them not trying enough makes things even worse though.
Yeah. It's pathetic that we have to pay more for XBL yet get like 10% of its features. XBONE won't change that. All those fancy stuff you can do with your XBONE in the US? Not available here.
Nope, I'm not sure what Sony did but after being refused a rating for GoW1 they changed something and ultimately released the game after much delay, the sequels appeared on time. Indexing has gotten far less strict over time, C&C Generals was censored back in the day (replaced humans with robots) but the later THQ games (especially Space Marine) were 100% uncut as stickers on the box reminded us. Saints row 2 was censored, SR3 and 4 weren't. As long as you don't include swastikas (if you're wondering why modern WW2 games only use the iron cross, it's the ease of localization) you're mostly fine these days. Where it's not fine it's usually some inconsequential stuff that's not hard to censor (e.g. in No Russian you get an instant game over if you shoot a civilian in the German version).
Also you just reminded me that I still have that wrapped copy of Ascension that came with my PS3 in my closet. I should have traded that in much earlier. Played GoW1 back in the day and didn't enjoy it at all so I have no plan to play Ascension.
oh wow, total PS4 dominance
Wiktor
Member
The most talked about change this generation was how Xbox 360 was able to steal so many consumers in NA in relation to Sony.
But almost equally as important is how MS absolutely failed to do the same in Europe, despite the enormous advantages they had.
There are several factors:
1. Live is a poor investment here, it fucking sucks. Straight up. There is nothing worthwhile here on Live that you cannot get on the free PSN.
2. FPS and TPS arent as big here as they are in the States. If you look at sales of shooters, you will find out they do a big chunk of their sales in America. This means Halo and Gears have less of a impact here and sales prove that.
3. PlayStation brand in general is strong and has always been. Nintendo only managed to really do well here with the Wii, which was a anamoly. Before PlayStation it was Sega and Amiga.
The Xbox is a very Americanized product, in how its presented, marketed and its entire appeal is perfectly catered to that audience. Its not like Europeans hate American companies, on the contrary Apple is doing great here as are a million other companies. But that is because they do not come out with the "American" vibe, burgers, eagles and F16s flying everywhere while some NFL player does a touchdown. Apple caters their product to a specific region, you dont feel like someone is waving the American flag in your face.
PlayStation the brand, has never felt Japanese or European or American or anything for that matter, its catered to each region and country specifically.
The dudebros and casuals of Europe dont play CoD with their friends, they play FIFA.
Long before that, they played PES. On Playstation 1 then 2.
The other played Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Soul Edge and Final fantasy.
Since then, they stick to Playstation because for them, since their youth: Gaming = Playstation. (similar to how most of the CoD X360 generation in the US will stick with MS).
That's how strong the brand is here.
The xbox and its comparatively new exclusives just don't have the same aura.
Long before that, they played PES. On Playstation 1 then 2.
The other played Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Soul Edge and Final fantasy.
Since then, they stick to Playstation because for them, since their youth: Gaming = Playstation. (similar to how most of the CoD X360 generation in the US will stick with MS).
That's how strong the brand is here.
The xbox and its comparatively new exclusives just don't have the same aura.
ChiliManiac
Banned
People seem to be forgetting that they have exclusive Fifa Content and a Fifa Bundle...not to mention they're releasing before the PS4 in Europe. It might happen...you never know.
Canis lupus
Member
Nope, not gonna happen.
On Amazon.de Bestseller list:
Fifa 14 PS4 is at nr2
Fifa 14 Xbone is nr 220
shinra-bansho
Member
Meh, I think the PS4 will trounce the XB1 quite handily, but that's not a good comparison considering Microsoft are giving the game away with pre-orders.
Nightengale
Member
ChiliManiac said:
Playstation as a brand is more largely associated with football in Europe by far.
Exclusive game content doesn't break down years of UEFA and Champions League sponsorship.
you don't really need to pre-order the xbone version if you get it for free anyway, you know?
It's not that bad, people just get the German/English version from Austria or the English version from the UK. There are actually quite some Austrian shops that focus on selling uncut versions to German customers. They all love these kind of news.
