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New, extremely detailed, extremely positive Deus Ex: Human Revolution preview

Chairman Yang

if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Here it is. I'm copying the gameplay details section here. If you want to read the spoiler stuff, click on the link. It's long, so if you don't want to read the whole thing, read the bolded paragraph at the end.

In short, I'm no longer worried at all about this game. I expect it to be better than Deus Ex 1, and an easy GOTY candidate.

http://www.gamebanshee.com/previews/101834-deus-ex-human-revolution.html

Adam's Augmented Reality

Will it actually be possible to be stripped of a majority of our humanity in the blink of an eye sixteen years from now? I don't know, but that's exactly what happens to our protagonist. In truth, it's a full six months before Adam's wounds heal enough for him to return to work, and once again it's due to an attack on Sarif Industries. This time, one of the company's warehouses has been besieged by a group of pro-human activists calling themselves Purity First. But enough about the story, let's dive into Adam's newfound augmentations and the upgrades he's able to acquire for them.

There are 21 augmentations available to Adam following his "surgery", and each of these has anywhere from 2-8 upgrades beneath it for a total of 69 upgrades across all augmentations. Acquiring an augmentation requires two Praxis Points (Human Revolution's primary currency for character development), while each upgrade only requires one. Allocating two points to pick up a new augmentation immediately grants you access to the first upgrade beneath it, so you'd ultimately need to utilize 69 Praxis Points to unlock every augmentation and its associated upgrades. According to a conversation I had with lead writer Mary DeMarle, though, earning 69 Praxis Points and therefore achieving access to all augmentations and their upgrades will likely be impossible during a play-through. I'm not sure what the level cap will end up being, but you'll earn one Praxis Point per level, and pick up additional points when you find or buy Praxis Kits.

The augmentation "skill tree" is broken out into seven different categories - cranium, torso, arm, eye, back, skin, and leg - and each category houses 2-4 different augmentations. For example, the skin augmentation category includes Dermal Armor and a Cloaking System. If you allocate two Praxis Points to Dermal Armor, you'll receive the Damage Reduction 1 upgrade with it. From there, you can allocate three more Praxis Points to pick up Damage Reduction 2, Damage Reduction 3, and EMP Shielding. Some of these obviously have prerequisites, meaning that you'll have to pick up the Damage Reduction upgrades in order and you'll have to have access to Damage Reduction 2 before you can grab EMP Shielding. As another example, the arm augmentation category includes the Cybernetic Arm Prosthesis and the Aim Stabilizer. Choose to spend your points on the Cybernetic Arm Prosthesis and you'll be able to make a selection between the Instant Take-down, Punch Through Wall, Recoil Compensation 1/2, Move/Throw Heavy Objects, and Carrying Capacity 1/2/3 upgrades.

To make use of some of these augmentations (though not all), Adam will need to expend energy. He has access to two power cells at the beginning of the game, but if you're willing to spend some Praxis Points on the upgrades below the Sarif Series 8 Energy Converter augmentation, you can bump that amount to as many as five. When you make use of an augmentation that requires energy, a power cell will be drained and will slowly begin to recharge (of course, upgrades beneath the previously mentioned augmentation will also increase the recharge rate). Therefore, if you're not careful, there will be times when you're completely overwhelmed with enemies and unable to make use of your favorite augmentation-enabled attack. Limited ammunition can also be an issue with particular augmentations, such as the impressive Typhoon Explosive System that you've most likely seen in screenshots and gameplay trailers.

With the absence of the skill system we saw in the original Deus Ex, augmentations will serve as your sole source of character development. There are a considerable number of choices to be made within them, however, so a number of possible character builds are clearly possible. Spend your Praxis Points properly, and you could become a stealthy takedown specialist, a lethal sniper with x-ray vision, or a vending machine-hurling, damage-soaking brute.

Combat and Stealth

So now that you've made a decision about which augmentation route you want to take, how is it all going to play out? There are no melee weapons to speak of, but Adam is automatically proficient with any ranged weapon he acquires via rewards, scavenging, or merchants. These weapons are divided into both lethal and non-lethal types, allowing you to take either a bloodthirsty or pacifist approach to each of the game's missions. I don't have a firm number of total weapons in the game, but I did get a chance to use a 10mm Pistol, Machine Pistol, and Combat Rifle on the lethal side and a Stun Gun and Tranquilizer Rifle when going for a non-lethal approach.

You can also make use of some fairly spectacular takedown moves if you're able to get within melee range of an enemy. These are executed automatically at the push of a button, with the amount of time that you hold the button down determining whether or not your takedown will be of a lethal of non-lethal variety. Performing a takedown requires the expenditure of one of Adam's energy cells so, again, you could find yourself in a position where there are multiple guards firing at you but you're only able to incapacitate a few of them before being forced to draw a weapon or run for cover. Trust me, this happened on more than a few occasions.

One thing I definitely want to point out is that, despite the fact that the game is still months away from release, the snap-to-cover and shooting mechanics are finely tuned and feel spot-on. Remember when Mass Effect 2 was heralded for taking the series' shooting mechanics to the next level? Human Revolution feels just as "right" as BioWare's sequel does, if not better, and it does so without giving away upcoming battles with a neatly laid out cover arrangement. Additionally, enemy AI has clearly been something the team has devoted a lot of time to. If you're hurt and cowering in a corner, they'll either toss a concussive grenade at you or simply move up to your position and flush you out. And if you knock a guard unconscious without another seeing you, but then they spot the body, they'll go on high alert and attempt to revive their fallen brethren. This paved the way for quite a few comedic moments during my play session, as I'd tranquilize a guard and then fire another dart into his would-be savior's neck when they rushed to his aid. Watching the second guard pass out on top of the first guard's body never got old.

A viable and entertaining stealth component was one of the team's goals early in the game's development, and it shows. There are quite a few augmentations that are stealth-related (including a set of Mark & Track programs, a Wayfinder Radar System, a Wall-Penetration Imager, and a handful of Cybernetic Leg Prosthesis upgrades to allow for quieter movements and silent running), and they all have important, albeit optional, uses when carrying out a mission. Since there are multiple ways to enter a building during a mission, you can avoid combat altogether by sneaking around any guards and utilizing an entrance other than the front door. If you're spotted while sneaking, a guard will become alerted and investigate the area where they noticed movement. Assuming you've maneuvered yourself behind cover to an alternate location, the guard will go back to his post after their investigation proves unfruitful. In the event that you just holed up until the guard was on top of you, a quick takedown can also be used if there are no other guards within range to notice. Just to be safe, though, the game allows you to drag any dead or unconscious guards to an area where they won't be spotted by any ongoing patrols.

What really surprised me about the stealth approach was that it's quite lucrative, experience-wise. During a mission to liberate a Sarif Industries warehouse from the Purity First "terrorists" , I lept up on a pile of crates and made my way up a propped-up pallet to a ladder leading to the warehouse's roof. From there, I crawled through a small tunnel and then around a fence to reach a ventilation system that would get me into one of the building's main rooms. As soon as I had entered the vents without being spotted, the game awarded me with a "Ghost" bonus of 500 experience points. On top of that, just crawling through a ventilation shaft will get you an "Explorer" bonus 100 experience points and if you managed to avoid triggering an alarm, that's worth another variable "Smooth Operator" bonus. That's more than I would have obtained by taking out the patrolling guards, though using the stealth approach obviously means that you're not going to be able to search the guards for any credit chips or interesting items. For example, one of the guards owned a Pocket Secretary that mentioned a weapon merchant with a shop at an abandoned gas station on 2nd Street, but the catch is that he'll only show you the goods if you tell him "Molson sent ya." I suppose there might be another way to learn about the merchant and convince him to sell you his goods later in the game (it was beyond the scope of the demo), and you might even be able to backtrack for some guard-killing fun after receiving the "Ghost" bonus, but it was still a relief to see that stealth was a viable choice that paid alternate dividends.

Hacking

Let me just say this: Deus Ex: Human Revolution sports the most advanced hacking minigame I've seen in a video game to date. In fact, it was actually somewhat difficult for me to famliarize myself with all of the mechanics in the short time I had with the game. I believe I have most of the basics down now, so I'll do my best to explain them to you.

Before you can even begin a hacking attempt, Adam must meet the security level requirement of the keypad or computer he's trying to hack into. The devices I approached during the demo ranged from security level 1 through security level 4, though it wouldn't surprise me if the security levels go even higher later in the game. As far as I could tell, Adam's hacking proficiency relies almost entirely on the Hacking: Capture augmentation that's found within the cerebral category. Within this line, you can choose from the Capture 1/2/3/4/5, Robot Domination, Turret Domination, and Camera Domination upgrades. As long as you meet the minimum security level requirement, you will always get four hacking attempts per device (though you can save at any time in the game, so I suppose this point is moot).

When you begin a hacking attempt, you'll see the schematic of a network with several different "nodes" linked to one another. You begin the minigame at the "IO Port" node and can then jump to any other linked node with the ultimate goal of reaching and capturing any and all "Registry" nodes within the network. Along the way, you'll be hopping to "Directory" nodes, uni-directional and bi-directional "Bridge" nodes, "Function" nodes, and "Datastore" nodes. Each time you make a jump to a new node, there's a chance that the network's security will detect your presence and issue a tracing alert to lock you out. The base chance of making a jump without being detected is around 60% (based on its difficulty rating), and that number increases as you gain access to the Capture 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 upgrades below the Hacking: Capture augmentation. If a tracing alert is issued, you'll have approximately 30 seconds to finish capturing all of the "Registry" nodes before you're locked out of the system.

But what about those other nodes I mentioned? The "Directory" nodes are empty, and only serve as something of a landing pad for you to reach a more desirable node. The "Function" node can serve a few purposes - you can "soften" an adjacent node to reduce its difficulty rating by one point, "transfer" two points of difficulty rating between nodes, or execute a "clearance" that reduces all datastore difficulty ratings by two points. Secure a "Datastore" node and you can earn yourself credits, experience, Stop! Worms, or Nuke Viruses. I never actually had a chance to try out a Stop! Worm or Nuke Virus, but my understanding is that they can be used to more easily take nodes and slow down the speed of a tracing alert. As long as you successfully finish the hack after capturing a datastore, you'll retain any of the items you gained from it. You'll also earn experience - a low level hack earned me a "Script Kiddie" bonus of 25 experience points, and I suspect that number increases with the security level of the device.

Overall, hacking looks to be one of the game's most interesting elements. It seems to be an entirely optional aspect of the game (whatever it is that you're trying to hack can usually be bypassed in another manner), but if you're the type of person who wants to control a security turret, watch security camera footage, or open any locked security doors you come across, you're going to want to refine your node-jumping expertise.

Dialogue and the Social Element

It wouldn't be an RPG without some social interaction, right? Dialogue has always been a very important aspect of the Deus Ex series, and Human Revolution is no exception. Adam pretty much just listens to what's being said during the initial Sarif Industries walk-through with Megan, but once you return to work with a body full of augmentations, it's important to start chatting people up for information. As you might have expected, unimportant NPCs simply issue a standard one-liner when you attempt to speak with them, but talking with a notable NPC will bring you to a zoomed-in dialogue screen.

Dialogue is split up into a hexagonal grid of four options, though sometimes only a couple of options are made available to you. Each option is nearly verbatim to what Adam will actually say, so you don't have to worry about choosing a "mood" and then hoping that his response reflects what you were actually trying to spit out. Each option does have a label next to it, though, so you can better gauge the tone of voice Adam is going to use. For example, "Inform" will obviously get the line across in a somewhat safe manner, while "Confront" might cause the NPC to become annoyed, defensive, or even sheepish.

The tones I selected didn't seem to have any hard-hitting effects until I confronted Zeke Sanders at the conclusion of the demo. Zeke is the leader of the Purity First group that attacks the Sarif warehouse, and when you burst into the room where he's holed up, he puts a pistol to the head one of the female hostages. It's only through a series of dialogue choices that you can try to get Zeke to turn himself in, let the hostage go, and/or escape from the group of SWAT members waiting outside. Defusing the situation isn't easy, as I quickly learned by picking a selection of "Empathy" choices. All I ended up doing was getting the hostage killed, after which Zeke escaped into the night (though based on what he tells you about his employers, having him escape might be the best outcome). Maybe if I had put some Praxis Points into the Social Enhancer augmentation, things would have turned out differently.

Managing Inventory Like It's 1996

I've always been a proponent of the grid inventory system primarily used in action RPGs, and it's great to see a modern-day developer sticking with a working formula rather than going for something much more simplistic. Adam's inventory is split into two sections - a base grid and a quest grid. I never actually found any items that slotted themselves into the latter area, but it's obvious that the team didn't want us running to the nearest merchant just to clear out some room for an important quest item. To help keep your inventory even more manageable, the team made the decision to limit your carrying capacity to one of each weapon. Therefore, if you find your first Machine Pistol on a dead guard, all subsequent Machine Pistols you find will only net you additional ammunition.

As you pick up items (all maneuverable, readable, and obtainable items are highlighted with a yellow outline, by the way), they are automatically arranged and sorted in your inventory, so there's no need for any prior honing of your Tetris skills. Smaller weapons like the Stun Gun take up six grid squares, while larger weapons like the Machine Pistol take up twelve. All of the ammunition I found took up two grid squares, and consumables - painkillers, cyberboost proenergy bars, and beer, for example - take up a single grid square. I never once came close to filling up my inventory space during the demo, but if you'd like to add even more room to your inventory later in the game, you can always invest some Praxis Points into the three Carrying Capacity upgrades underneath the Cybernetic Arm Prosthesis augmentation. Each of these upgrades will add two columns of inventory space to your grid.

The Conspiracy is Nearly Upon Us

Regardless of how the entirety of Human Revolution plays out, I for one applaud Eidos Montreal for sticking to the multi-path/multi-solution approach of the original Deus Ex and for retaining the RPG mechanics that many developers have eschewed in recent years. It's still a shooter at heart, but in an industry that continually calls for more streamlining and accessibility, Deus Ex: Human Revolution invokes a sigh of relief. The combat mechanics are solid, the augmentations are well-implemented, the stealth and hacking systems have depth, the art design is nothing short of stellar, and the game's overarching plot appears to be chock-full of twists, turns, and surprises. In short, it's the Deus Ex sequel we've all been dreaming about for over a decade.
 
The augmentation / hacking sounds comprehensive.

I really can't wait for this game, in my opinion it has one of the coolest artstyles in a sci fi game since Killzone. Hoping for a release in July though as May / June are pretty packed.
 
They make accessibility seem like a bad thing. It isn't when done righ though. But that's an argument for another thread.

It won't be too hard to top Deus Ex 1 for me. I think the bar is a bit low. Can't wait for this game.
 

Chairman Yang

if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
From The Dust said:
They make accessibility seem like a bad thing. It isn't when done righ though. But that's an argument for another thread.
I agree with you, but in practice, "accessibility" and "streamlining" are usually just code words for "dumbing down".

On the other hand, this game looks like it's genuinely accessible and streamlined. The skill system has been removed, and folded in the aug system, but the aug system is seemingly way more detailed and much deeper than anything Deus Ex 1 did.
 

feel

Member
And if you knock a guard unconscious without another seeing you, but then they spot the body, they'll go on high alert and attempt to revive their fallen brethren. This paved the way for quite a few comedic moments during my play session, as I'd tranquilize a guard and then fire another dart into his would-be savior's neck when they rushed to his aid. Watching the second guard pass out on top of the first guard's body never got old
Just to be safe, though, the game allows you to drag any dead or unconscious guards to an area where they won't be spotted by any ongoing patrols.
I lept up on a pile of crates and made my way up a propped-up pallet to a ladder leading to the warehouse's roof. From there, I crawled through a small tunnel and then around a fence to reach a ventilation system that would get me into one of the building's main rooms.
Hell yeah, thank you Eidos!! It's like this kind of gameplay is too much to ask for nowadays for fucks sake..
 
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Chairman Yang

if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
ObnoxiousZebra said:
Oh wow, this sounds incredible. I'm definitely going to check this out. Even though I haven't played a Deus Ex game before. :x
I think this game is perfect for a newcomer. It's set chronologically before Deus Ex 1--so no background knowledge will really be needed--and Deus Ex 2 is an abomination that should never be played anyways.
 

DaBuddaDa

Member
There has been a cavalcade of previews for DX:HR over the past week, every single one of them has been glowing. Day 0, super hype, etc. etc.
 
With the absence of the skill system we saw in the original Deus Ex, augmentations will serve as your sole source of character development.

The thing I liked about Deus Ex was that you were both man and machine, and consequently had a whole set of conventional skills to build on that had nothing to do with augmentations.

They could have played up that man/machine element even further, giving you separate upgrade paths for skills and augs and having things play out differently depending on how augmented you are, instead you're basically forced into becoming further machine enhanced in order to have any kind of character development.

There are no melee weapons to speak of... the amount of time that you hold the button down determining whether or not your takedown will be of a lethal of non-lethal variety

Performing a takedown requires the expenditure of one of Adam's energy cells so, again, you could find yourself in a position where there are multiple guards firing at you but you're only able to incapacitate a few of them before being forced to draw a weapon or run for cover. Trust me, this happened on more than a few occasions.

So it sounds like even non-lethal takedowns require energy, so if you're out you have no choice but to pull a gun or run since there's no melee combat at all. Why not give me a baton or knife or something?
 

Chairman Yang

if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Confidence Man said:
So it sounds like even non-lethal takedowns require energy, so if you're out you have no choice but to pull a gun or run since there's no melee combat at all. Why not give me a baton or knife or something?
Your last unit of energy regenerates. That means you'll always have the option of a takedown after waiting for a while; you just can't do a bunch in a row without lots of energy. Pretty good design decision, if you ask me; it'll encourage the "sneak around enemies" variety of stealth rather than the "stealthily kill/knock out everyone in the room" variety.
 

Fayte19

Neo Member
I haven't been so hyped for a game in a good, long time. Everything I read about this game makes the wait even harder.

I've been debating playing through the original before Human Revolution is released, but I HATE playing shooters with a keyboard and mouse. =(
 

vocab

Member
Fayte19 said:
I haven't been so hyped for a game in a good, long time. Everything I read about this game makes the wait even harder.

I've been debating playing through the original before Human Revolution is released, but I HATE playing shooters with a keyboard and mouse. =(


Play that PS2 port. Don't say I didn't warn you that it's a piece of shit.

Kafel said:
What platform is the preview based on ?


They have been showing the PS3 version, and PC version mostly. At least from the videos I have seen.
 
They have been showing the PS3 version, and PC version mostly. At least from the videos I have seen.

Wait - PC footage? Can I get a link to that? I've only seen cruddy looking PS3 footage with tearing, at a sub-30fps. I'd imagine it will look insane running on a decent PC though.
 

vocab

Member
Appollowexx said:
Wait - PC footage? Can I get a link to that? I've only seen cruddy looking PS3 footage with tearing, at a sub-30fps. I'd imagine it will look insane running on a decent PC though.


Well, most of the footage I have seen was just stage demos running on Eyefinity. I have seen some 60fps smooth as shit video showing from the PS3 version. It almost seemed fake because I couldn't believe it was the PS3 version.
 
Chairman Yang said:
I think this game is perfect for a newcomer. It's set chronologically before Deus Ex 1--so no background knowledge will really be needed--and Deus Ex 2 is an abomination that should never be played anyways.

Oh awesome. No reason for me to not get it now. :D
 

StuBurns

Banned
Last trailer I saw was the 360 version.

I've asked a few times and no one has ever answered, maybe someone here can, is the game in a scope-like aspect ratio when you play or is it just for videos?

EDIT: Video below answered, thanks.
 

Zenith

Banned
Confidence Man said:
The thing I liked about Deus Ex was that you were both man and machine, and consequently had a whole set of conventional skills to build on that had nothing to do with augmentations.

I never liked the concept of skill upgrades. How well a character performs a task should be purely down to the player's skill. No silly "25% chance of making a headshot".

So it sounds like even non-lethal takedowns require energy, so if you're out you have no choice but to pull a gun or run since there's no melee combat at all. Why not give me a baton or knife or something?

there are plenty of non-lethal weapons. The devs have already stated there are gameplay paths designed for those who want to avoid killing.
 
Zenith said:
I never liked the concept of skill upgrades. How well a character performs a task should be purely down to the player's skill. No silly "25% chance of making a headshot".

that's the one thing that killed the first game for me. the shooting came down to a dice roll. not only that, you had to upgrade the accuracy! goddamn I hated that
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Zenith said:
I never liked the concept of skill upgrades. How well a character performs a task should be purely down to the player's skill. No silly "25% chance of making a headshot".
That always buggered me. It makes sense in pen and paper RPGs, but it kind of tainted DE's gameplay. That said, I have nothing against critical hits of other sorts.
 

Fayte19

Neo Member
vocab said:
Play that PS2 port. Don't say I didn't warn you that it's a piece of shit.

I honestly wasn't aware they ported the original to the ps2, I thought the only Deus Ex on consoles was Invisible War. If I can find it for the right price (Under ten bucks) I might check it out just for shits and giggles.
 

tiff

Banned
I'm never going to be anything more than cautiously optimistic for this game until I actually have my hands on it. From the very beginning they've sounded like they've been approaching it in the right way (be like DX1, basically), but whether they can execute that approach for the entire game is the real question.

Confidence Man said:
The thing I liked about Deus Ex was that you were both man and machine, and consequently had a whole set of conventional skills to build on that had nothing to do with augmentations.

They could have played up that man/machine element even further, giving you separate upgrade paths for skills and augs and having things play out differently depending on how augmented you are, instead you're basically forced into becoming further machine enhanced in order to have any kind of character development.
Back around when they first announced this game, one of the things the developers said is that it doesn't make much sense for the PC's natural abilities to drastically improve when the entire game takes place over the course of only a few days.

In that light I think this is a fair compromise for progression.

Chairman Yang said:
Your last unit of energy regenerates. That means you'll always have the option of a takedown after waiting for a while; you just can't do a bunch in a row without lots of energy. Pretty good design decision, if you ask me; it'll encourage the "sneak around enemies" variety of stealth rather than the "stealthily kill/knock out everyone in the room" variety.
Games like Deus Ex shouldn't make an effort to encourage one type of playstyle over another.

Zenith said:
I never liked the concept of skill upgrades. How well a character performs a task should be purely down to the player's skill. No silly "25% chance of making a headshot".
DX1 took it too far to the extreme (JC is takes ages to line up a shot in the beginning of the game), but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for a game to simulate the fact that shooting a gun in real life is a lot harder than clicking on a guy's face with a mouse.
 
Confidence Man said:
They could have played up that man/machine element even further, giving you separate upgrade paths for skills and augs and having things play out differently depending on how augmented you are, instead you're basically forced into becoming further machine enhanced in order to have any kind of character development.
Counter argument: From what I can tell from all the trailers and videos is that he is already almost entirely machine. The aug upgrades are just upgrading the machine parts that are already inside him, not adding extra augs or replacing even more body parts.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
tiff said:
DX1 took it too far to the extreme (JC is takes ages to line up a shot in the beginning of the game), but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for a game to simulate the fact that shooting a gun in real life is a lot harder than clicking on a guy's face with a mouse.
A STALKER approach would be better. Standing next to a guard and missing the headshot because of some bizarre math is not fun (nor good for the immersion).
 
No_Style said:
Those cuts were annoying, but I was pleasantly surprised that this was the PS3 version. Hopefully, the PC version is solid with controller support tho.

well the videos were spliced together. it's not one long trailer
 
Zenith said:
I never liked the concept of skill upgrades. How well a character performs a task should be purely down to the player's skill. No silly "25% chance of making a headshot".

That's fine, but if your character's abilities don't inform the gameplay in any way you're not even talking about a role playing game anymore, you've just got an action game with powers.

Deus Ex had both, this game has only the latter.
 

tiff

Banned
Funky Papa said:
A STALKER approach would be better. Standing next to a guard and missing the headshot because of some bizarre math is not fun (nor good for the immersion).
By STALKER approach do you mean that progression is more tied to the quality of weapons you use rather than the abilities of the character you're playing as?

Because I'm fairly certain both use "bizzare math" to determine whether you hit or not, Deus Ex is just a lot more unforgiving with it.
Draft said:
The instant take downs require "ammo." That's good design.
Yeah sure, but as I understand it there are alternative methods to stealthily taking out enemies. As there should be.
 

Draft

Member
Maybe RPG purists should take a step back from their character sheets and realize that bullets not going where you are aiming in a first person game is frustrating and dumb.

Deus Ex is not gospel. Not every aspect of its decade old design needs to be replicated in this game.
 

DaBuddaDa

Member
Draft said:
Maybe RPG purists should take a step back from their character sheets and realize that bullets not going where you are aiming in a first person game is frustrating and dumb.

Deus Ex is not gospel. Not every aspect of its decade old design needs to be replicated in this game.
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Chairman Yang

if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
tiff said:
Games like Deus Ex shouldn't make an effort to encourage one type of playstyle over another.
In this case, Deus Ex 3 is just redressing an imbalance.

Typically stealth games heavily reward the stealth-killing approach rather than the stealth-sneaking approach. Look at Thief, or Hitman, or Splinter Cell. It makes sense to dispose of enemies, because then they'll be out of the way and won't have the potential to disturb you anymore. You can also get loot/items from them in some games.

Deus Ex 3 is making it harder to take that approach by default. You can do it, but now it's not a more attractive option than simply sneaking around. By encouraging sneaking, the game has made BOTH options viable. Later on, if you really prefer the stealth-killing approach, you can take a variety of augs to improve your capabilities there (I know there's one that makes energy regenerate further, and one that lets you take down two nearby enemies at once).
 

erpg

GAF parliamentarian
This sounds perfect.

Each option is nearly verbatim to what Adam will actually say, so you don't have to worry about choosing a "mood" and then hoping that his response reflects what you were actually trying to spit out.
Nice, full text dialogue. Eat shit, Bioware!
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
tiff said:
By STALKER approach do you mean that progression is more tied to the quality of weapons you use rather than the abilities of the character you're playing as?

Because I'm fairly certain both use "bizzare math" to determine whether you hit or not, Deus Ex is just a lot more unforgiving with it.
Progression through the acquisition of better weapons would help, but it'd be even better if you began with some sort of open sights that keep getting closer and more accurate via skill upgrades. You know, kind of like real arms work.
 
I think Alpha Protocol was on the right track. Where if you were aiming at a target long enough it would increase the likely hood of hitting the target exactly where you were aiming and getting a critical hit. The implementation wasn't perfect but it was a step in the right direction if you ask me.
 
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