plasmawave
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Yoko Taro probably should have used his brain more amiright?
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NieR: Automata Interview w/ Saito, Taro, Taura & Preview
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sensui-tomo
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Thread was derailed when 5+ people starting bitching at a opinion they didnt like. kinda like Trump with fake news. People could have ignored the comment but no they had to make the thread about the one comment. You can drown the comment and talk about what OP's info is about, thus not "derail" the thread or you talk about one post and "derail" the thread.
Dude lost that when he decided to do PTSD 2.0 (no offense to those whom have it or family with it) with the final boss of Drakengard 3.
Also drinking killed his brain.
Avenger54321
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I still wouldn't be so sure about that, i mean he's clearly been trolling in all the other answers (like the one where he says the ending is crap), so i still think there's going to be at least a bit of context to the design choices, and he's just giving his troll answer.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Japanese devs being more progressive would be a bigger step in the right direction than maintaining the status quo to the point of becoming niche.
I genuinely don't think there will be a good reason, someone raised the point in an earlier thread unrelated to nier specifically that the standards are incredibly low for how much people are willing to accept poor justification for sexualization. Three prominent examples would be
-Quiet
-Cindy
-Kaine
All terrible character designs with flimsy justifications. Games are already terrible when it comes to handling sexualization and ofc the bar for writing in games is incredibly low, the two simply don't mix well.
DarkChronic
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Not real. Or at least it's been deleted since.
Edit:
Apparently it is real, lol
Anyway, I can't wait for this game. Playing the demo floored me. Was barely on my radar and now I can't stop thinking about it.
Yeah 2B is Yoshida 100%. Just looking at her design it's clear.
Indeed. People screaming "Outrage" are the ones that gets Outraged the most.
This is real
Not real. Or at least it's been deleted since.
Anyway, I can't wait for this game. Playing the demo floored me. Was barely on my radar and now I can't stop thinking about it.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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TBH I get real sad when I see all the sex negativity. I know it's a generation difference but I hate seeing "You Millenials and your damn butts are bad!!". Not trying to derail the thread more. Not watching the video because I don't wanna be spoiled on much before the game comes out. I could read yokos interviews forever tho.
sensui-tomo
Member
no one said that, there isnt sex negativity, only 1 person showed some concern and the I hate CrossingEden bandwagon came to town and jumped him(not sure please correct me if i'm wrong). I mean guys i disagree with CrossingEden quite a bit(like about 85%), but its blatant targeting and everyone harping on that one post and if people ignored it or didnt give attention to it, we wouldnt be talking about it.
Some areas in the game look bleh, not a yoko taro game without some issues . Still getting it day 1.
michaelius
Banned
I just noticed Nier is really cheap in Europe - I found preorder for less than 50 Euro so day I for me 
No idea how I'll manage Horizon and Nier in March with Persona in April.
No idea how I'll manage Horizon and Nier in March with Persona in April.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
Member
True true. You make a point. I'm adding to the problem.
You're right. I think the game narrative is going to explain the design of 2B in a meaningful and believable way. I guess it's going to be something along those lines:
At the
moon
Professor who developed the Androids: "Those machines killed my precious little daughter...I'm going to develop an Android which resembles her and she will take revenge and fight for humankind!"
Assistant: "B-But Professor, your daughter was only 5 years old...sooo why does your Android look like a mature sexy robot killing ninja? Also your daughter had brown hair and not white hair...this Android doesn't resemble her in the slightest!"
Professor: "Well you know Assistant-san...Shut up, I just love women!"
Cut scene finishes, Androids are deployed, first mission starts.
Watching the preview also on the channel.
Watching 9S fuck shit up as a partner, he seems to have some unique animations for how he does combat in comparison to 2B.
The ignore button is a beautiful feature that nobody uses.
Watching 9S fuck shit up as a partner, he seems to have some unique animations for how he does combat in comparison to 2B.
The ignore button is a beautiful feature that nobody uses.
Well, if we want to talk about other stuff, I guess how the game handles it's endings is an interesting one to focus on. The fact you get an ending if you die during the part of the game that the demo takes place in is very interesting. I'm curious if this game will be ditching the "you unlock the endings in a linear order" that every other game Yoko's worked on has adhered to in favor of something where your actions or failures contribute to getting different endings.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The only context that matters in this instance is who was making the comment, and how taking his words at face-value is pretty foolish given his pranksterism.
Its entirely plausible there is a narrative reason for the way the androids look in the game, and Yoko was being glibly deflecting as per usual. Not to say that there is, but treating Yoko Taro like your average developer is plainly daft.
And honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong if he just had her sexy because he likes sexy women. Least he's honest about it, that's far better than trying to come up with some silly justification and telling people they will be ashamed of their words and deeds.
hans_castorp
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I hope he goes full Kuroi hanaaaaaa with the ending
The reactions would be glorious.
I love the German accent from the guy. Which region is he from? I find it really easy to understand, and my German is really rusty after all this time without using it.
Son Of Sparda
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Man, I can't wait for this game. And I'm so getting that first ending
I will. Well, not the actual ending but that last boss fight was a complete garbage. I don't want anything like that in Nier.
I will. Well, not the actual ending but that last boss fight was a complete garbage. I don't want anything like that in Nier.
M0nochromatic
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Interesting quotes regarding Platinum game feel. It still looks MGR-lite, which is more then fine with me.
letmetrythisname
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Anything on the existence of the PC version?
The Dutch Slayer
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That playstation underground video was fantastic, combat looks amazing
Very hype and 8-4 translated and helped out with development so that also makes me very hype
Very hype and 8-4 translated and helped out with development so that also makes me very hype
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Hey at least somebody acknowledges that this is a thing,
Plasmawave...
Using his quirkiness to disguise/excuse a pretty common example of sexism would be pretty shameful. In the same way that people do the same for Kojima. And you know what's funny, so many posts ITT are taking that sentence at face value but are praising it, yet the issue is when dissent occurs. It's pretty transparent.
I love Taro's bluntness and honesty. Keep on being who you are!
I'm pretty excited for this one. Actually, I'd be hard-pressed to say which I'm more hyped for, this or Breath of the Wild. Both are open world games, but Zelda has the puzzles (not to mention the nostalgia of it all) whereas Nier Automata has the more in-depth combat and RPG mechanics. It's going to be a great month for games, that's for sure.
I'm pretty excited for this one. Actually, I'd be hard-pressed to say which I'm more hyped for, this or Breath of the Wild. Both are open world games, but Zelda has the puzzles (not to mention the nostalgia of it all) whereas Nier Automata has the more in-depth combat and RPG mechanics. It's going to be a great month for games, that's for sure.
Now ship my Black Box Edition on-time, SE!
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Buying this game fo 'sho. I love women too, Taro.
Everyone buy it
Everyone buy it
to spite the "usual suspects"
letmetrythisname
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The who what now?
Astral Dog
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Humans have a big issue with objectification,not only confined at sexuality but everything,we conceptualize as objects to have our own friends,our partners,pets,days, money,our feelings,our jobs,family,even ourselves.
And this is so common and happens so frequently no wonder people contradict you because it is a pretty normal thing to do.everyone does it,everyone has done it at one point in their lives and will continue to do so until we all die. An example like this game is mostly harmless stuff unless you see the big picture and thats were some people get confused with you.
Not commenting much on the game itself but thats what your post reminded me of
So is the implication that women must be sexy, and if they aren't, they aren't women?
Wrote a paper quite late, so I'm a bit slow today
first and foremost buy it cause it's good
consider any schadenfreude you get from it as a bonus
snow in jamaica
Member
Par for the course. Coupled with willful obfuscation.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Objectifying people, and objectifying video game characters with a sexualized design are quite different things. I don't consider my partner, friends, or pet to be objects either. What the hell? I assume your point is that objectification exists in other games as well and thus this is ok. Yea none of that doesn't hold back criticism.Humans have a big issue with objectification,not only confined at sexuality but everything,we conceptualize as objects to have our own friends,our partners,pets,days, money,our feelings,family,even ourselves.
And this is so common and happens so frequently no wonder people contradict you because it is a pretty normal thing to do.everyone does it,everyone has done it at one point in their lives and will continue to do so until we all die. An example like this game is mostly harmless stuff unless you see the big picture and thats were some people get confused with you.
Not commenting much on the game itself but thats what your post reminded me of
It's the implication that sexualized is the default.
Jimmyfenix
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yup i can see this as well.
I can see it now:
"What the hell was up with Nier Automata's final boss"
1st post: "have you even played a yoko taro game before"
I routinely switch back and forth on whether or not Nier or BoTW is my most hyped title this year lol
If I had to pin it down, I consider BoTW to be the the hype of the known. I've played several Zelda games. I know what to expect. I know the gist of what the plot is and how it typically ends. I anticipate the continuation of the quality and polish I've come to expect from mainline Zelda entries.
Whereas Nier Automata is the hype of the unknown. Part of that unknown partially stems from me having yet to play any of Yoko Taro's games (I will play Nier soon though!), but nonetheless, I still don't know what to fully expect from this game. I mean that death mechanic was a perfect example; shit came out of nowhere. But you hear that his first game was a cult classic. That it had a masterpiece of an OST whose composer is returning for this game. That its one big flaw, the gameplay/combat, is being handled by the beloved Platinum. That the director whose known for his wit and dark sense of humor is also personally working on the game, and loves genre-bending and weird endings. It is a game that by all accounts should not exist, and yet it miraculously does. So it's like, I have absolutely no clue how this story is gonna go, and yet I can't help but have just as much confidence that this will be a very memorable game.
Joke's on you, I'm a filthy far-left commie SJW and I'm buying this game too.
So how do you reconcile liking the design despite its sexualized nature? For example, I like the design just from a glance, but I disagree with his reasoning
I hope you enjoy it, his games are always an experience and they're why I've followed Nier and Drakengard. I know that even amongst fans, not every game is a hit in music or story (Drakengard 3). So do know that his games do fluctuate a bit, and Nier is probably the better starting point. So yea, enjoy the ride. I'm certain it will be memorable.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Astral Dog
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I didn't say it was right or ok.
my point was not with the game or you,just found the comment interesting.
And yes we all do subconsciounsly,the mind is an interesting place after all.
ignore me if you want Eden
Edit: i guess my point was that objectification happens alot in "real' life as well with all people,some guys will find your comments a bit weird but try nott get too upset about it just a common reaction
AlexFlame116
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It's a problem when almost half of the thread is about it. I wasn't attacking Eden since he/she(?) has his opinions. It's the fact that the whole thread was derailed as a result. So yes I'll accept my post as hyperbole if it makes you feel that way thank you very much.
I just want the game and I pray that my Black Box preorder wasn't canceled due to an expired card.
EDIT: I do think you are going a bit off now Eden now that I think about it. It's been four pages of this stuff.
Nope
He's speaking very clear standard Hochdeutsch imho. Iirc he's from the Ruhr Area, but living in Berlin.
Putting in "Drakengard 3 Final Boss" nets these results among others among others heh
Drakengard 3 RANT | Branch D Final Boss: How Yoko Taro Ruined The Game
Kaos Plays: Drakengard 3 Part 33 FINAL-Horrible Boss [Rage Quit]
Drakengard 3 Final Boss: There will be failures
Drakengard 3 Playthrough - Part 47 - Worst Final Boss In Video Game History
Drakengard 3 Final Boss Rage!
I just love hearing and reading reactions to it.
I'm not disagreeing that the boss is horrible, tho i think that's intentional. You can't fuck up the camera and the beatmap this hard by accident, especially when it's a fixated scene.
It took me an entire day to beat and it required me to start a YT-Video and synch that shit with my own videogame.
A one of a kind experience. Especially because the boss and the soundtrack is so beautiful artisitcally.
AlexFlame116
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Was the final boss of Drakengard 3 that bad? I didn't play Drakengard 3 for...many reasons.