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No feathers in Jurassic Park 4 sparks debate and protest
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Anton Sugar
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Aren't the vast majority of dinosaur designs based on indirect assumptions/inferences? Like, we create simulations/representations of dinosaurs based on finding a fraction of its total bone structure, right?
Nikodemos
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Demoncarnotaur
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Once again, I welcome the classic designs, but there should have been feathered ones as well. They could have got creative as hell, and really sparked the imagination of audiences.
Anton Sugar
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This guy used to scare the SHIT out of me as a kid (I know it's fur, but still):
You don't get that a movie wants to take artistic license with something that hasn't been alive for 60 million years...
SigmasonicX
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Since we're posting paleoart, here's an entire thread about it.
Anyway, Jurassic Park greatly influences the public view of dinosaurs. Just look at all of the people in this thread that are angry about how feathered dinosaurs are ruining their childhoods and such. The film creators are obviously well aware of this, and knowing this, they are making the idea of scales-only dinosaurs persist. I feel that people who know that they have great influence on the public perception of a scientific subject must be responsible with what they present, and thus, Jurassic World should at least have a scene acknowledging that many real dinosaurs had feathers, including species that were already presented in the film with just scales. Like I said before, just have a reporter bring it up at a press conference in the film, and have Jurassic World's PR person say that their dinosaur designs are more popular with the kids or something.
Anyway, Jurassic Park greatly influences the public view of dinosaurs. Just look at all of the people in this thread that are angry about how feathered dinosaurs are ruining their childhoods and such. The film creators are obviously well aware of this, and knowing this, they are making the idea of scales-only dinosaurs persist. I feel that people who know that they have great influence on the public perception of a scientific subject must be responsible with what they present, and thus, Jurassic World should at least have a scene acknowledging that many real dinosaurs had feathers, including species that were already presented in the film with just scales. Like I said before, just have a reporter bring it up at a press conference in the film, and have Jurassic World's PR person say that their dinosaur designs are more popular with the kids or something.
Demoncarnotaur
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If you read my OP, or other posts you'd see that I get that, and embrace that. Sorry- not trying to sound bitter, just feel like I keep saying the same things.
Thing is this franchise was built upon the foundation of creating modern, accurate dinosaurs and depicting them as animals. As the scientific understanding of Dinosaurs continues to evolve our depiction of them should as well. The choice to omit feathers from Jurassic World is a complete disregard to one of the movies central themes, and the ideology of designing the dinosaurs themselves.
I know some fans and scientists are blasting every detail and discrepancy- I'm not. I'm fine with the giant Mosasaurus, and 'bald' Tyrannosaurus and Raptors - in fact, thank god. it wouldn't be JP without them. But no modern Dinosaur deceptions? Why do a Dinosaur movie at that rate? That's what movies like King Kong exist for.
I would like to see consistency between Park and World. I thought it was pretty consistent between 1 and 2. 3's velociraptors are the only change that comes to mind.
This guy used to scare the SHIT out of me as a kid (I know it's fur, but still):
"You're a little heavy, buddy ... we're going dooowwwn"
Cow Mengde
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http://depositfiles.com/files/3guoafcx2
This is the intro.
I don't think you understand what the word opinion means.
Also, for fun, here's a link to what Thomas R Holtz Jr. said about The Lost World Jurassic Park. Tom is a renown paleontologist and he linked us this post today.
http://dml.cmnh.org/1997May/msg00762.html
Demoncarnotaur
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This shows what an impact media can have on public knowledge. I will say, no movie is ever obligated to be accurate, but I tend to prefer certain measures being taken. The reason I'm actually upset with JW though is accuracy is in JPs foundation.
Cow Mengde
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Of course not all of them are obligated. What you said is exactly the problem with Jurassic World and one of the points in the paper. The Jurassic Park franchise was fact based, with a mix of imagination. Now, even Power Rangers are more up to date than Jurassic World.
Sho_Nuff82
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Good. Sometimes fiction is cooler than reality.
Yup. I hope hollywood dinos never get feathers.
Featherless Dinosaurs have been done enough times that it became boring. With this movie, they have a chance to "create" new monsters simply by more accurately portraying the dinosaurs they already did. The CG possibilities alone is mouth watering. Imagine the feathers rustling in the wind or a tail swooshing at the camera like hundreds of razor blades. Instead, they centered the movie around a chimera that isn't even a dinosaur.
Gambit 1138
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Outside of the Velociraptors it was pretty consistent until Joe Johnson derailed everything with JP3.
lastplayed
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Feathered dinos look way cooler. Can't imagine birds of prey without feathers, they'd look silly.
Gambit 1138
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I think feathered dinosaurs would have made the film look less generic as well and gave the movie some iconic imagery which it really is lacking currently. I think the reason the JW trailer did nothing for people is because we have seen CG reptile dinosaurs and monsters a billion times since the 90s that its nothing special or interesting anymore.
Raptor2155
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I'm OK with Allosaurus looking like this:
(though I think the scale is off)
Exactly. It still looks really awesome. A bunch of dinosaurs, even the meat-eating cool ones, had feathers.
Just feather the fucking dinosaurs.
Kyleripman
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Once again, I welcome the classic designs, but there should have been feathered ones as well. They could have got creative as hell, and really sparked the imagination of audiences.
I love this design. It's like a barn owl dinosaur.
Chuck Norris
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Holy shit that looks good
You don't. It is pretty fucking clear that each movie uses different designs for each dinosaur, including more recent discoveries in subsequent movies is not that complicated unless someone is the dumbest fucking movie watcher on the planet.
Foxy Fox 39
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Anton Sugar
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Yeah, it's crazy what thinking about them as actual animals (like our own) vs. scaly skinbags shrink-wrapped over a skeleton will do.
This isn't one of those times, though.
Which is why it's so great they're not including feathered dinos. That dumb idea has already become too pervasive.
Messofanego
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Once again, I welcome the classic designs, but there should have been feathered ones as well. They could have got creative as hell, and really sparked the imagination of audiences.
Whoa, stunning.
Why is it a dumb idea?
breadtruck
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Zeyphersan
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I've tried. I swear to god I've tried
But I just can't bring myself to give a shit about non-feathered dinosaurs in Jurassic World. I'm a big science guy, but it's like.... such a non-issue
But I just can't bring myself to give a shit about non-feathered dinosaurs in Jurassic World. I'm a big science guy, but it's like.... such a non-issue
Little Green Yoda
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More like six-foot turkeys.
Coreda
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The feathered dinosaurs in DR were amazing to look at even with the animation flaws, and that was a made for TV special, without the budget of Jurassic Park. So CG limitations is bullshit.
The color design and patterns are nice on this one. The 'wings' and tail I can imagine having a laugh at though, but seeing them rip through things would add a kind 'f--- what you think I'm exotic and terrifying'.
I think I'd still have a laugh.
Byakuya769
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Don't you scale fetish people have Smaug in the Hobbit movie?
This is how I feel about it. There's always going to be something to nitpick, but I guess this just isn't a battle of mine.
I don't really care feathered/scaled, it's a science fiction movie, the design team have freedom to design the dinosaurs as accurate or inaccurate as they wish.
If they pulled this with a documentary like Walking With Dinosaurs, I'd understand the outrage. But this is entertainment, not education.
If they pulled this with a documentary like Walking With Dinosaurs, I'd understand the outrage. But this is entertainment, not education.
MisterGrey3000
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As I've voiced before in the official thread I'm not too impressed with what I saw, and I'm still pretty upset with the "No feathers" decision.
I mean, just imagine what a group of talented 3D molders and film makers could do with material like this
It would have been so fresh to see theropods that looked like this in Jurassic World's trailer; this was the perfect opportunity to rejuvenate the brand from an aesthetic/thematic point of view while also passively educating the public and honoring the principles behind JP1 in the process.
Nope.
Shrink wrapped un-naturalistic JP theropods look as goofy and outdated as this
to me.
This just looks weird imo, are there any birds today with claws for hands and wings?
The feathered dinosaurs in DR were amazing to look at even with the animation flaws, and that was a made for TV special, without the budget of Jurassic Park. So CG limitations is bullshit.
pants
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This guy used to scare the SHIT out of me as a kid (I know it's fur, but still):
To me, his body has always kinda looked like that shit they put in the walls and ceiling to keep heat in.
Nikodemos
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Yeah, they could have hired the likes of Lacerda, Willoughby, Csotonyi etc. for art, dioramas, scene composition and other work. They could've gone wild with that Mark 2 TressFX. But no, we get the same formula from 1991, despite having bloody 20 years between then and now.
Hoatzins have two claws on each wing as chicks. They atrophy as the wings grow and disappear completely after fledging.
Cow Mengde
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