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North Korea fuel prices surge after China cuts oil sales
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LordKasual
Banned
this is fucking tragic man.
They're suffering either way, it's just a matter of degree.
China trying to pressure NK is a good thing.
Robdraggoo
Member
How's freezing to death
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
More powder for the keg.
Going through the economy might be the only way to topple this regime without a war, but yeah, the people will suffer under this as well.
LordOfChaos
Member
Their next broadcast will undoubtedly repeat that China is dancing to Americas tunes.
Liljagare
Member
Does anyone ever think being hostile to NK on an international level just further promotes the hostility coming out of NK?
Like could it possibly be better if the strategy was just to tell Kim like ok we get it, you are a legitimate regime and it's fine for you to keep developing your nuclear weapons, we are happy to trade with you, you are invited to UN functions and various international meetings. If we could please talk about human rights though, and if you keep on with the violent nuclear rhetoric we will treat you like shit again? OK?
Like wouldn't that be better for the people of NK and the region as a whole (if it actually panned out and didn't just immediately dissolve into the same old shit they've been doing forever)?
And yeah post below, Obama finally tried this approach with Cuba, and now trump is going to shit on it. An yeah Cuba hasn't been nearly as potentially dangerous as NK, but isn't that almost more reason to attempt a friendly approach with NK?
Like could it possibly be better if the strategy was just to tell Kim like ok we get it, you are a legitimate regime and it's fine for you to keep developing your nuclear weapons, we are happy to trade with you, you are invited to UN functions and various international meetings. If we could please talk about human rights though, and if you keep on with the violent nuclear rhetoric we will treat you like shit again? OK?
Like wouldn't that be better for the people of NK and the region as a whole (if it actually panned out and didn't just immediately dissolve into the same old shit they've been doing forever)?
And yeah post below, Obama finally tried this approach with Cuba, and now trump is going to shit on it. An yeah Cuba hasn't been nearly as potentially dangerous as NK, but isn't that almost more reason to attempt a friendly approach with NK?
No, that never worked, just look at Cuba for example or even NK.
I'm really not sure what Trump's change in direction is so far except a lot more military show boating and hot air.
History has shown that appeasing dictators is possibly the worst thing you can do.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Must be nice to be so naive and dream.
No. For all of Castro's megalomania and brutality he has never demonstrated the kind of sheer disconnect from reality that Un has. There is nothing rational about a man who poisons his own family with VX nerve agents in public airports or blasts commanders and others who disappoint him by placing them point blank in front of anti-aircraft cannons.
You can't give the man an inch.
Yeah I guess he really is just too far off the deepend to fuck around with.
It is going great so far, they have only tested a new IRBM, SLBM, and ICBM since Trump became president. The Obama era of sanctions and strategic patience is over, all hail the Trump era of applying strategic sanctions and waiting patiently.
This has been the cycle for many years now, really.. We relax sanctions and give them humanitarian aid when they make enough noise, and it's contingent on continued UN inspections of nuclear programs, etc. Then they eventually kick the inspectors out and rinse and repeat.
For what ever it is worth we are on a forum where someone once said that other countries should have confronted Nazi Germany by sending its people unarmed into Germany to protest (along with sending a ton of money and pictures of children), so you know appeasing to kim jong-un barely even ranks.
Anyway good, hopefully it is just the first step, since realistically China is the only country in a position to actually do something besides invading, which is something that is borderline a non option.
Anyway good, hopefully it is just the first step, since realistically China is the only country in a position to actually do something besides invading, which is something that is borderline a non option.
You Are Viewtiful
Member
Last time North Korea went through a lot of suffering in the 1990s, the communist economy collapsed and has been replaced a sort of restricted state capitalism where the state doesn't have as much control. So we know stuff like this does loosen the grip the government has on its people.
North Korean winters are no joke.
North Korean winters are no joke.
RoyaleDuke
Banned
This sounds bad.
This whole situation is bad.
I will be shocked if this doesn't end up leading to:
This whole situation is bad.
I will be shocked if this doesn't end up leading to:
- A: NK launching a nuke eventually
- B: Starting some shit, which causes our dipshit of a president to nuke their country which would be an international travesty.
It was a joke, but implying that the people hurt by this will be the people already at the mercy of the government this is supposed to halt.
paperboywriter
Member
How's that good?
The current plan definitely isn't working.
I think once North Korea gets nukes (and it will) trying to open the country up through trade is the way forward. But it's difficult to justify until we get to that point.
Extra Sauce
Member
Operation Angry Tweet
Because short of war, China is the only Country that can politically impact NK.
The NK people have my deepest sympathies, but what other options does the international community have to move them towards humanitarian change?