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[Turrican3]

What would a PR group do, use data to make their product, service or company look good?

I gave an example in that very post.

This is from Nintendo, circa 2013:

A handful of first-party Nintendo 3DS titles saw triple-digit sales percentage increases in November over sales in October

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/...100-percent-nintendo-3ds-surpasses-10-million

 

[makingmusic476]

I gave an example in that very post.

This is from Nintendo, circa 2013:

A handful of first-party Nintendo 3DS titles saw triple-digit sales percentage increases in November over sales in October

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/...100-percent-nintendo-3ds-surpasses-10-million

Dude was being sarcastic as fuck. :lol

 

[Ushay]

Good to see Andromeda going strong, there was a good game in there despite the flaws.

 

[Fafalada]

Maybe I'm oversimplifying... *shrugs*

You are - total number of releases has gone up this gen, and just because Gaf Elite only recognizes plastic packages as games, it doesn't mean the rest of them don't exist (or make money).
The industry is a lot bigger than the retail or the online-forum bubbles, respectively - and while proliferation of Pay to Pay business model has its eyebrow raising questions, it just opens new avenues for disruption in the long term.

 

[AmFreak]

Which was the same way they did for PS1 and PS2 .

No it wasn't.
May 2014:

“From a profitability perspective, PS4 is also already contributing profit on a hardware unit basis, establishing a very different business framework from that of previous platform businesses," Hirai said.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/23/ps4-already-profitable-for-sony

Also if you think Sony came out with console last gen that was close to the 360 in price and timing they would have lost ?
That is crazy talk , they came out with console way more expensive ,16 plus month later in EU , worst performing games and still sold well vs 360.

I missed a comma in my sentence:

If a PS4-like console would have come out last gen, a year after the 360, they would have lost.

A low-end, non-subsidized p2p console with the burden of blu-ray launching 1 year after 360 wouldn't have stood a chance.

 

[xVaalbarAx]

Aww yeah, happy for Friday the 13th getting 2nd in PSN* digital sales the past month. Game is a blast.

 

[MatPiscatella]

You are - total number of releases has gone up this gen

This is incredibly dubious, if you're speaking of Console only.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

No it wasn't.
May 2014:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/23/ps4-already-profitable-for-sony

They still lost money at launch but made money off the hardware much faster .
https://www.cnet.com/news/playstation-4-to-sell-at-a-loss-but-sony-expects-profit/
https://www.geek.com/games/sony-wil...ily-recoup-it-in-games-ps-plus-sales-1571335/

Which was easy since they now have PSN+ which they did not have for other systems .

 

[Turrican3]

Dude was being sarcastic as fuck. :lol

Totally misread the second sentence + not a native speaker = fail :-(

 

[Fafalada]

This is incredibly dubious, if you're speaking of Console only.

I can't remember the link but there's a wiki tracking total number of releases 4 years in for current/last gen and PS4 was ahead(maybe totals for both platforms would show a different picture, I should have made it clear I was talking PS only above). Obviously the share of retail to digital has changed pretty dramatically - but that was obvious from day 1 on PS4.

And if you look at weekly PSN releases it's not very hard to believe - it's not quite as bad as Steam "yet" - but it's showing signs of similar growth trajectory.

 

[donny2112]

If you torture data enough, you can get it to say anything you want.

 

[Vena]

If you torture data enough, you can get it to say anything you want.

...

Snap. Vita and Ouya are an unrivaled successes*.

*Success is defined as finding new bottoms.

 

[donny2112]

Ouya is an astounding success for an Android based platform. Sales this month were up 132z% compared to last month! Real momentum!

 

[D.Lo]

Ouya is an astounding success for an Android based platform. Sales this month were up 132z% compared to last month! Real momentum!

We all remember 'Playstation Family' unit sales being up 6% year on year!

 

[Jon Carter]

Ouya is an astounding success for an Android based platform. Sales this month were up 132z% compared to last month! Real momentum!

How about the Vita? Is it even still sold?

 

[Turrican3]

If you torture data enough, you can get it to say anything you want.

Well, I guess I'm not alone in this, after all.

 

[sixteen-bit]

With Injustice doing so well, I wonder how Tekken will chart in June. We're in a Fighting Game renaissance, folks.

 

[sense]

...

Snap. Vita and Ouya are an unrivaled successes*.

*Success is defined as finding new bottoms.

You forgot Wii U, which was also a huge success*

*success is defined by astronomical drop from previous gen

 

[Primethius]

With Injustice doing so well, I wonder how Tekken will chart in June. We're in a Fighting Game renaissance, folks.

I think even if it charts well initially that game is going to have terrible legs.

Online issues + lack of tutorials in such a hard fighter to get into = lol

Seems the only thing they learned from SFV is that a trashy single player is better than none.

 

[MatPiscatella]

If you torture data enough, you can get it to say anything you want.

How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff. Dates back to the 50's, but still relevant.

I hope that those of you that are surprised/disappointed/angry about how companies use data (not speaking about you, Donny) go seek out materials like this book, and others such as Nate Silver's The Signal and the Noise.

These will help you be smarter consumers and citizens. It's important to be able to interpret what's being sold to you, whatever that product may be.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

With Injustice doing so well, I wonder how Tekken will chart in June. We're in a Fighting Game renaissance, folks.

I think it'll chart below ARMS.

 

[MatPiscatella]

We're in a Fighting Game renaissance, folks.

Been in one since 2014, actually. Average annual market share of head to head fighters over the 2014-16 period is 67% higher than it was in the three year period ending 2013.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I think it'll chart below ARMS.

Will ARMS have legs tho?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Will ARMS have legs tho?

LEGS, coming 2018.

No idea, honestly. I guess it'll depend on how well they support the game in the months to come.

 

[Hero]

Been in one since 2014, actually. Average annual market share of head to head fighters over the 2014-16 period is 67% higher than it was in the three year period ending 2013.

Do you include Smash Bros in the fighting game category or no?

 

[MatPiscatella]

Do you include Smash Bros in the fighting game category or no?

No, I only included core platform fighting games.

Spoiler

Of course I included Smash. Come on now.

 

[donny2112]

You forgot Wii U, which was also a huge success*

*success is defined by astronomical drop from previous gen

Use "impact" instead.

"Wii U had a huge impact on Nintendo's sales position in the marketplace coming off the successful Wii platform launch!"

A crater is the result of an impact.

How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff. Dates back to the 50's, but still relevant.

I hope that those of you that are surprised/disappointed/angry about how companies use data (not speaking about you, Donny) go seek out materials like this book, and others such as Nate Silver's The Signal and the Noise.

These will help you be smarter consumers and citizens. It's important to be able to interpret what's being sold to you, whatever that product may be.

Oh, yeah. Being aware of exactly what's being said and not being said can really increase your awareness of what's actually happening. Not statistics related, but I recall an example from speech class where a political candidate gave a rather benign/slight praising speech on an opponent but used "big words" (e.g. masticate for chewing; "he masticates every night right at the dinner table.") that if you didn't know what they meant, all sounded really bad.

Edit:
Article on the apocryphal story. Doesn't mention the masticate line, but that may have been added by the speech book.

 

[Hero]

No, I only included core platform fighting games.

Spoiler

Of course I included Smash. Come on now.

Sorry, couldn't resist! Is Smash a fighting game is an undying thing on GAF.