ethomaz
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Because X1 was cheaper I guess...
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NVIDIA to Increase 12nm Production for Next-Gen Volta GPU
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scoobs
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I just bought a 1080ti
And it'll be the best card available for another 12 months. This is how technology works and always has, you can't hope to have the best of the best for long, there's always something new coming.
LordOfChaos
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I'll assume looking at this, TSMCs 12nm a half step from their 16nm, given that it's not represented in full node steps? I wonder if it'll even match Intels 14nm in size.
Node naming is such bull.
Edit: Yup
Would have probably been called a + version of the same node in Intel parlance.
dr_rus
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Well, my own confidence in this slowly went from "no way" to "welp, it's happening" in the last month or so. Too many people are hinting on this lately. And there's plenty on the roadmap after Volta, NV just decided to not disclose it anymore prior to launch for some reason.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Who has been hinting that Volta won't ever be commercial? Not saying you're wrong I just don't know where this is coming from.
dr_rus
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The only public hint so far is in Fuad's June post.
I'll assume looking at this, TSMCs 12nm a half step from their 16nm, given that it's not represented in full node steps? I wonder if it'll even match Intels 14nm in size.
Node naming is such bull.
Edit: Yup
Would have probably been called a + version of the same node in Intel parlance.
I think that 12FFN is not even the same as what TSMC's 12nm for other customers is. So far it looks like 12FFN is basically 16FF+ with some physical changes allowing to have a 815mm^2 GV100 to be produced on it.
R10Neymarfan
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Just want to say AMD was first to the game years ago with True Audio. Even built in on PS4
Just to make sure that bullet point was suppose to make it sound new and revolutionary
ThoseDeafMutes
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Link?
Unknown Soldier
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There is no mobile Tegra with Pascal. The only Tegra which has Pascal is the one used for cars.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I do wonder if the inevitable Switch refresh will have some kind of future Tegra variant on a new arch+node at a much lower power draw or whether it would have to keep maxwell for compatibility.
Wait, so Volta is coming to consumers / gamers afterall, even if it's early 2018 ?
Methinks Nvidia will have stripped Volta of the Tensor cores, upped the core clockspeed, redesigned the memory bus for GDDR6, tagged it with a new architecture name, but we'll still see Gx104 in GTX 1180 and Gx102 in GTX 1180 Ti / Titan. Overall the redesigned consumer Volta (or whatever its's called) won't be a major improvement over Pascal cards. The next big leap will have to wait until the 2019 architecture on 7nm.
Methinks Nvidia will have stripped Volta of the Tensor cores, upped the core clockspeed, redesigned the memory bus for GDDR6, tagged it with a new architecture name, but we'll still see Gx104 in GTX 1180 and Gx102 in GTX 1180 Ti / Titan. Overall the redesigned consumer Volta (or whatever its's called) won't be a major improvement over Pascal cards. The next big leap will have to wait until the 2019 architecture on 7nm.
dr_rus
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It's anyone's guess if what's coming to GeForces will in fact be based on Volta or Maxwell again but so far the hints are that it will be a bigger change than between Maxwell and Pascal at least.
And I do expect it to come next year on "12nm". 7nm for GPUs is likely some way off, end of 2019 probably. It also seems reasonable to expect bigger architectural changes on the same process (well, "12nm") than on a new process so whatever will come on 7nm first will probably be a "shrink" of what's coming next year.
ShadowFox08
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Better have a docked volta version in fall 2018 with 5001.21 gigaflops gpu and DDR5 memory at $399 US dollars ._.
ethomaz
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Tegra Parker (X2) basically is X1 made with Pascal arch... same config with better clocks and power draw.
So yes nVidia has the X1 Pascal version.
Nintendo choose X1 over X2 because the first was cheaper.
ShadowFox08
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or maybe they had a bunch of 20nm laying around and wanted to get rid of it, and gave nintendo a discount price..
dr_rus
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Yeah, because they just tend to make chips for shit and giggles, even when nobody is paying them for production. This theory was always a dumb one, now with the number of Switch units sold, it's beyond dumb one.
ethomaz
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How? Do you think nVidia has enough chips lying on warehouses to supply Switch? C'mon... nVidia just increased and entered in mass production of X1 with Switch.
What happened is the more simple business... X1 was cheaper to Nintendo than X2.
The last rumor was Nvidia had a volume contract with TSMC and Nintendo was handy to fulfill it so they didn't have to pay some kind of penalty.
dr_rus
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While chip makers do sometimes book foundries in advance to make sure that whatever they are launching wouldn't be fighting for production resources, I find it very unlikely that this was the case with TX1 on 20nm. 20nm is a low volume process for TSMC and it's a minor node for NV as well. It's also highly unlikely that NV would book any capacity prior to having an idea on where this product will go to.
As I've said, a dumb theory. I believe it's SA who's spreading this?
20nm was used for Apple A8 so I don't think it was a low volume process.
I mean, that's a perfectly good gaming PC you have there
Lol some people man
Finaika
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Are you streaming in 8K?
That's basically how I function. Got a 1080 AMP Extreme just sitting on the shelf. Eagerly awaiting Volta and Coffee Lake.
If you wanna stream new games at 1080p 60fps you need a dual PC setup
It's been this was for like the last 2 years.
Nah 16k.
But seriously, I want to upgrade since I mainly play VR games now on PC and want to SS more.
Sanctuary
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I actually assumed that timeline as well. I was even prepared for spring of 2019 too. Glad I decided that I didn't need to build another gaming PC (from Dec 2013) until the end of 2018 either, because it seems like next year will offer a lot of decent upgrades.
opticalmace
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lol. I currently have a Ryzen 7 1700 system just sitting and doing very little at the moment. Was going to be a work computer until work got anal about me building it and decided to finally pay for a new one for me (still waiting for it).
My gaming rig is a 6700k and 1070, so I haven't decided what to do with the 1700 build yet (currently has an old 760 I inherited).
dr_rus
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Even with Apple, it was relatively low volume for TSMC.
dr_rus
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Volta slides from Hotchip: https://www.servethehome.com/nvidia-v100-volta-update-hot-chips-2017/
Nothing really new there but they did confirm again +50% of energy efficiency for Volta SM:
Nothing really new there but they did confirm again +50% of energy efficiency for Volta SM:
It highlights to me how much this design is aimed at network training workloads and compute in general. A large part of this improvement over P100 has to surely be down to the addition of the tensor cores. Although V100 is also 35% bigger, heh.
Am I correct in thinking this SM contains 8 tensor cores and 32 FP64 cores and that these would likely not make it into a Geforce design?
Am I correct in thinking this SM contains 8 tensor cores and 32 FP64 cores and that these would likely not make it into a Geforce design?
dr_rus
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Remains to be seen. What's interesting is that Volta doesn't seem to support FP16 (x2 or anyhow) on its main SIMDs which means that all FP16 operations must go through tensor cores. The repercussions of this for a gaming derived design can be substantial if this is partially the reason for 50% energy efficiency improvement. On the other hand, NV likes to keep some functionality in all GPUs for compatibility purposes so we may have something like 1 tensor core per SM or even GPC in gaming GPUs instead of having them 2 per each "subcore". In any case, I don't think that NV believes in usefulness of 16 bit math in gaming.
lucebuce12
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Sorry for the bump.
When do you guys think Volta is coming? I'm holding off on upgrading my PC and since Vega turned out to be a bust, I'm holding out for Volta.
When do you guys think Volta is coming? I'm holding off on upgrading my PC and since Vega turned out to be a bust, I'm holding out for Volta.
I think Q2/Q3 2018
lucebuce12
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Cool, thanks. Probably gonna be the first time I go for a "top of the line" rather than a mid-highish range card that I usually go for. Hope Volta delivers!
hanspampel
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OMG now the competition in the GPU space is so bad, that Nvidia can do this
Glad i bought a 1070. 11XX won't be any major upgrade if that is true
opticalmace
Member
My guess is maybe early Q2 next year.
Can I be optimistic and say Q1 2018 right after the holiday?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/nvidia-volta-mass-production
CrunchyFrog
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TC McQueen
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I just hope the damn ##60 card gets announced fairly early. I really doubt that the ##70 variant is going to be anywhere near as price compelling as the 970, so I feel like most people looking to upgrade would wind up with a ##60 if it matched or beat 1070 performance.
dr_rus
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Either around GDC'18 in early March or around GTC'18 which usually happen around May. My bet is on GDC at the moment. And it won't be called Volta.