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NYT Op-Ed: Only Mass Demarcation Can Save America

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In the matter of immigration, mark this conservative columnist down as strongly pro-deportation. The United States has too many people who don't work hard, don't believe in God, don't contribute much to society and don't appreciate the greatness of the American system.

They need to return whence they came.


I speak of Americans whose families have been in this country for a few generations. Complacent, entitled and often shockingly ignorant on basic points of American law and history, they are the stagnant pool in which our national prospects risk drowning.

On point after point, America's nonimmigrants are failing our country. Crime? A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants, and at more than three times the rate of legal ones.

Educational achievement? Just 17 percent of the finalists in the 2016 Intel Science Talent Search — often called the ”Junior Nobel Prize" — were the children of United States-born parents. At the Rochester Institute of Technology, just 9.5 percent of graduate students in electrical engineering were nonimmigrants.

Religious piety — especially of the Christian variety? More illegal immigrants identify as Christian (83 percent) than do Americans (70.6 percent), a fact right-wing immigration restrictionists might ponder as they bemoan declines in church attendance.

Business creation? Nonimmigrants start businesses at half the rate of immigrants, and accounted for fewer than half the companies started in Silicon Valley between 1995 and 2005. Overall, the share of nonimmigrant entrepreneurs fell by more than 10 percentage points between 1995 and 2008, according to a Harvard Business Review study.

Nor does the case against nonimmigrants end there. The rate of out-of-wedlock births for United States-born mothers exceeds the rate for foreign-born moms, 42 percent to 33 percent. The rate of delinquency and criminality among nonimmigrant teens considerably exceeds that of their immigrant peers. A recent report by the Sentencing Project also finds evidence that the fewer immigrants there are in a neighborhood, the likelier it is to be unsafe.

Bottom line: So-called real Americans are screwing up America. Maybe they should leave, so that we can replace them with new and better ones: newcomers who are more appreciative of what the United States has to offer, more ambitious for themselves and their children, and more willing to sacrifice for the future. In other words, just the kind of people we used to be — when ”we" had just come off the boat.

O.K., so I'm jesting about deporting ”real Americans" en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.

Much more here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/only-mass-deportation-can-save-america.html
 
These people are killing America, we need someone who isn't afraid to say the truth and speak their mind to save the values of America!
 
Yes, let's deport all the "real" Americans -- AKA, everyone who supports Trump and happily turned a blind eye to a foreign power waging cyberwarfare against us.
 
Good article. "Real America" is the worst thing about this country. White, entitled Americans who believe everything should be handed to them. Its disgusting.
 

JustenP88

I earned 100 Gamerscore™ for collecting 300 widgets and thereby created Trump's America
Lol clickbait curveball.

I like the "who would take them in anyway" dig.
 

Beartruck

Member
Guess this is a perfect thread to gauge who doesn't read OP's. Great article with a worthwhile point. You don't see nonimmigrants breaking their backs in fields for a shot at a good life.
 
I know what the journalist is going for, but belief in God (or Gods, or whatever) shouldn't be part of this discussion either way.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
what the flying fu...
I speak of Americans whose families have been in this country for a few generations. Complacent, entitled and often shockingly ignorant on basic points of American law and history, they are the stagnant pool in which our national prospects risk drowning.
oh, OH. Nice.
 
lol

The population growth is one of the strengths America has over basically every other first world country.
sure makes sense to give that up...

Why exactly is Texas and Cali booming so hard?
Because poor people are willing to work hard shit jobs to increase the overall wealth.
What people exactly does he want to deport?
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The part where people not identifying as Christian is a reason they're failing America is a nice touch.
 

snap

Banned
lol

The population growth is one of the strengths America has over basically every other first world country.
sure makes sense to give that up...

Why exactly is Texas and Cali booming so hard?
Because poor people are willing to work hard shit jobs to increase the overall wealth.
What people exactly does he want to deport?

shoutout to someone else not reading the OP

Yea, actual reading is a bitch. Sorry.

a lot of the time it's "headline arguing for horrible thing, article confirms it and provides shitty argument"

and a lot of the time it's just you don't want to read that crap, you already know it's a trash opinion and nothing in their article is going to change your viewpoint, so you don't bother to read the article

it just happens this time around it was a trick
 
Shipping the hardcore Trump supporters and white nationalists off to their own little island out in the middle of nowhere and replacing them with immigrants is something I would be OK with.
 
lol

The population growth is one of the strengths America has over basically every other first world country.
sure makes sense to give that up...

Why exactly is Texas and Cali booming so hard?
Because poor people are willing to work hard shit jobs to increase the overall wealth.
What people exactly does he want to deport?

If only we knew...
 
Deporting those people would also be anti American. The huddled, unwashed masses aren't the best and brightest and that's who the American ideal and the dream is for. Is this some optimistic fool notion? Sure. But that's what an ideal is. Something to fall short of yet keep striving for.
 

Akuun

Looking for meaning in GAF
It has a point. Just move all these "real americans" who want an all-white nation to some secluded island, call it New America, and then be done with it.
 
WTF

And yes, I read it.

What good is there to come out of joking about this shit? This is exactly the kind of thing the right can point at and say "told ya those dirty libs hate America"

Framing it as a joke just confirms claims of elitism and condescension
 

Bit-Bit

Member
lol

The population growth is one of the strengths America has over basically every other first world country.
sure makes sense to give that up...

Why exactly is Texas and Cali booming so hard?
Because poor people are willing to work hard shit jobs to increase the overall wealth.
What people exactly does he want to deport?

You're getting deported first.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
I think articles like this do a great job of deconstructing the bullshit narrative we get fed about immigrants vs non-immigrants, and helps us really get to the root of why some people want immigrants out of the U.S.
 
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