GhostTrick
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Umm, no?
Then, unless I missed something in your post, like sarcasm (I'm bad at it :") ), how can you claim it's one of the most racially discriminating country ?
Umm, no?
I never claimed that. I said, with my tongue firmly in cheek, that you wouldn't really know if it was, because France doesn't allow the collection of most information that could be used to paint a statistical picture.Then, unless I missed something in your post, like irony (I'm bad at it :") ), how can you claim it's one of the most racially discriminating country ?
I never claimed that. I said, with my tongue firmly in cheek, that you wouldn't really know if it was, because France doesn't allow the collection of most information that could be used to paint a statistical picture.
Something White GenocideYeah, my bad
Well, it could be. But you know what would happen if we did ? The far right would rejoice. Heck, we already have some """"""brillant minds"""""" elaborating a theory of "Grand Remplacement" as white people in France being conciously replaced by PoC. That's why we don't allow the collection of these informations, because being French isn't about a color.
Something White Genocide
Something Muslim hordes enforcing sharia law somehow even though France is incredibly secular
If they wanted this they should have just called it a black feminist festival, I promise you the net effect would have been the same
Right, I understand from a theoretical standpoint why that would be the French position. It's laudable, but to be honest I also feel it suffers from a practically standpoint.Yeah, my bad
Well, it could be. But you know what would happen if we did ? The far right would rejoice. Heck, we already have some """"""brillant minds"""""" elaborating a theory of "Grand Remplacement" as white people in France being conciously replaced by PoC. That's why we don't allow the collection of these informations, because being French isn't about a color.
Yeah, that happens in the US as well. And maybe it's good enough, I don't really know. No one would, that the issue (or there is no issue).Anti-racist associations do handle that issue using "testing" campaigns : they send candidacies with equivalent skills but different ethnic profiles, and check if the answers from companies seem balanced or not.
I think it's a better way of identifying potential discrimination, since the procedure makes sure to eliminate all other kinds of potential bias.
Right, I understand from a theoretical standpoint why that would be the French position. It's laudable, but to be honest I also feel it suffers from a practically standpoint.
For example, the reason why the US requires those questions to be asked when applying for jobs is because discrimination based on race, sex, veteran or disability status is illegal. So if someone feels like a business is discriminatory in their hiring practices, well there can be a wealth of data used to help prove or disprove that assertion. In other words, if 10% of the people applying to work at a company are minorities and 10% of their workforce are minorities, that makes sense. But if 50% of applicants are minorities, but still are only 10% of the workforce, well that shows there is some sort of racial element to who is hired.
But in France, without access to this data, such issues would be much harder to prove, and seemingly much more difficult to notice on a societal level. Like I said, discriminatory practices could be a much bigger problem than you would ever know in France.
You know, there's not only black or white persons. Especially in France.
I'm sure black women have unique experiences compared to other ethnicities but plenty of non-black women experience racism.I'm not sure how you finished the game ghost trick if this is the limit of your deductive abilities. The intersection of racism (anti-blackness) and gender (women) is only unique to Black women, that's true. Why even make a comment like that assuming I have no idea of France's racial makeup. Did you read the article?
anti-blackness is an issue globally, but the french mayor realized she jumped the gun and let's hope it doesn't happen again.
I'm not sure how you finished the game ghost trick if this is the limit of your deductive abilities. The intersection of racism (anti-blackness) and gender (women) is only unique to Black women, that's true. Why even make a comment like that assuming I have no idea of France's racial makeup. Did you read the article?
anti-blackness is an issue globally, but the french mayor realized she jumped the gun and let's hope it doesn't happen again.
This.I'm not sure how you finished the game ghost trick if this is the limit of your deductive abilities. The intersection of racism (anti-blackness) and gender (women) is only unique to Black women, that's true. Why even make a comment like that assuming I have no idea of France's racial makeup. Did you read the article?
anti-blackness is an issue globally, but the french mayor realized she jumped the gun and let's hope it doesn't happen again.
This.
Anti-blackness (which is perpetrated by all, including other poc) and sexism IS unique to black women. FOH.Are you claiming that intersection of racism and sexism is unique to black women too ?
Anti-blackness (which is perpetrated by all, including other poc) and sexism is unique to black women. FOH.
Discrimination is discrimination. That's awful that you'd condone it.
That's not what he said thoughAnti-blackness (which is perpetrated by all, including other poc) and sexism IS unique to black women. FOH.
The intersection of racism (anti-blackness) and gender (women) is only unique to Black women, that's true.
Both the original post and the one you quoted talked about racism and misogyny being a burden for black women only. The second one even seems to equate racism with anti-blackness only.Anti-blackness (which is perpetrated by all, including other poc) and sexism IS unique to black women. FOH.
lines of white men trying to get into this thing for some reason.
Wait, right now ?
conceptual, verbal, not physical. hell, maybe physical.
And North African are white as well as mixed people according to this association.its awful that you'd try to conflate what these women are trying to do with basic racial discrimination to accomplish social control. but black is black, and white is white.
I won't be surprised if it happensLol, I misread the date. I thought it the festival was going on right now and you were saying some idiots were lining up to get in to disturb it.
And North African are white as well as mixed people according to this association.
Y'all really gonna overlook the qualifier used in that post, anti-blackness...really. You're all arguing in bad faith. And you're sorely mistaken if you don't think racial stratification imposed by whiteness doesn't make racism that black people receive, a very unique beast. Cyframe is right.
I know North africans which are blacker than my own dark reddish brown skin. I know North africans who are not and identify as African\non-white\arabic. It doesn't matter because the people trying to muddy the waters are European white.
I was wrong. You're not arguing in bad faith. You're saying this proves you are just really ignorant. Holy shit.Right, so now we're arguing there are worse racism than others. Lol. As I said, you and Cyframe knows shit about France. Just tell about "whiteness" to North Africans decent in France, I think they're in for a huge laugh.
You don't even need to look at north africans frankly, this particular group is good at differenciating between "good" and "bad" black people as soon as someone disagrees with them (with some insults of choice such as "house negro").And North African are white as well as mixed people according to this association.
I was wrong. You're not arguing in bad faith. You're saying this proves you are just ignorant. Holy shit.
Please expand on it i'm really interrested about itI was wrong. You're not arguing in bad faith. You're saying this proves you are just ignorant. Holy shit.
North Africans usually is about arabs/berbere/ people.
its not that simple. would a dark skinned berber be turned away and a light skinned one not? what if they claimed whiteness or blackness? does it matter? do you see any differences if they did claim one over the other?
political social position and what you claim or what your intent is, its very different for the different sides in this. One is trying to create a movement for positive social change, the other is trying to manage the status quo and control those living under it. Play by our Rules, etc.
eh, I don't have the time.
Let's be frank, for anyone outside of USA USA USA, the origin is probably as important as skin tone.They don't claim whiteness or blackness, it's simple as that. Berbere people and arab people have their own history and language. And you know what, for everyone else, including arabs and berbere, it's not about skin tone but the origin itself.
hypothetical lines of white men trying to get into this thing for some reason.
do they have a grandma Ruth?
It's almost as helpful as Americans exporting their brand of cultural imperialism to all issues in the world while largely lacking any useful knowledge of it.I love that mofos that ain't even about the struggle gonna come and dictate the terms of someone elses struggle. Amazing. So disingenuous. Thanks, "allies".
The thread in nutshell: white supremacist propaganda scammed the more gullible 'liberal' people to hate on a black feminist workshop/festival.
When you got 'allies' like these, who needs enemies?
I love that mofos that ain't even about the struggle gonna come and dictate the terms of someone elses struggle. Amazing. So disingenuous. Thanks, "allies".
The thread in nutshell: white supremacist propaganda scammed the more gullible 'liberal' people to hate on a black feminist workshop/festival.
When you got 'allies' like these, who needs enemies?
What
Who are you talking about ?
It's almost as helpful as Americans exporting their brand of cultural imperialism to all issues in the world while largely lacking any useful knowledge of it.
I want to hear it
This thread is hilarious. A bunch of americans trying to export their racism issues into a french event. The fuck is this?
Discrimination and racism definitely exist in France but xenophobia is the real problem. There isn't a black problem in France like you have in the USA, french people have a different history with that. But you have a lot of white french people hating the "banlieue" people who are essentially people of a different origin because they are scared of them, there isn't enough cultural mixity in some part of the country. Ignorance is the devil here.
This thread is hilarious. A bunch of americans trying to export their racism issues into a french event. The fuck is this?
Discrimination and racism definitely exist in France but xenophobia is the real problem. There isn't a black problem in France like you have in the USA, french people have a different history with that. But you have a lot of white french people hating the "banlieue" people who are essentially people of a different origin because they are scared of them, there isn't enough cultural mixity in some part of the country. Ignorance is the devil here.
It's almost as helpful as Americans exporting their brand of cultural imperialism to all issues in the world while largely lacking any useful knowledge of it.