king picollo
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I enjoy coming into this thread and seeing the other believers wishing for a PGR5.
It gives me hope.
It gives me hope.
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PGR5 speculation thread Lucid dreams with Rare side effects?
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Not directly related to PGR itself, but this is great news for Lucid in their own right:
Lucid Games nominated as one of Britain’s brightest business talents
Lucid Games nominated as one of Britain’s brightest business talents
Well that's almost certainly confirmation then?
Of what?
That they're working on a big budget title with a big publisher. At least that's what I can derive from it. I take it that means they're working on PGR5.
Steverulez
Member
Well it does say "dynamic new IP" which made me think it wasn't PGR but something new..
Yeah, that's what I wasn't sure of, so I thought I'd just let this one go to the keeper and post it for posting's sake without speculating on anything
Neither can I! You're in for a treatjust grabbed PGR4 for 5€ at Gamestop. Can't wait to get home
Damnit, I should start a new save just to go through it (somewhat) parallel with you. Or just to experience it again.
brotkasten
Member
Guys, I think I finally cracked it!
It seems pretty clear that Lucid is working on some kind of racing game for a while now and with all the ex-Bizarre staff, it would be a real shame if they weren't. However, if you look at their current portfolio, you can see two iOS games and one Vita game. Mobile stuff, basically.
Are they still a big enough studio to handle big AAA console games? Probably not, but that's where Rare might come into play, according to the OP. And it's not unheard of, that Microsoft lets smaller studios work in conjunction with one of their studios on their IPs. Spark Unlimited worked with 343i on Halo: CEA, Playground worked with Turn 10 on Horizon and the latest collaboration was announced today, where the little know developer Vanguard Games is working with 343 industries on Halo: Spartan Assault for Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone 8.
Now, if you guys are hardcore PGR fans, I bet you can tell me what the last official PGR game was.
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Exactly, "Project Gotham Racing: Ferrari Edition", released in 2009 for the Zune HD.
Where I am going with this? There's a recent push from Microsoft to bring some of their bigger franchises to mobile platforms. Halo: Spartan Assault was the beginning and with a great mobile developer like Lucid, a mobile PGR makes perfect sense!
It seems pretty clear that Lucid is working on some kind of racing game for a while now and with all the ex-Bizarre staff, it would be a real shame if they weren't. However, if you look at their current portfolio, you can see two iOS games and one Vita game. Mobile stuff, basically.
Are they still a big enough studio to handle big AAA console games? Probably not, but that's where Rare might come into play, according to the OP. And it's not unheard of, that Microsoft lets smaller studios work in conjunction with one of their studios on their IPs. Spark Unlimited worked with 343i on Halo: CEA, Playground worked with Turn 10 on Horizon and the latest collaboration was announced today, where the little know developer Vanguard Games is working with 343 industries on Halo: Spartan Assault for Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone 8.
Now, if you guys are hardcore PGR fans, I bet you can tell me what the last official PGR game was.
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Exactly, "Project Gotham Racing: Ferrari Edition", released in 2009 for the Zune HD.
Where I am going with this? There's a recent push from Microsoft to bring some of their bigger franchises to mobile platforms. Halo: Spartan Assault was the beginning and with a great mobile developer like Lucid, a mobile PGR makes perfect sense!
Chiaroscuro
Member
Good call. Actually it would be great to have a PGR game for Win8/WP8 devices. I believe those devices could handle an intermediate PGR3-PGR4 graphic fidelity. I am not much of a fan of tilting controls, but Asphalt 7 proved that it could be fun.
It would separate the brand from Forza (although a mobile tie-in Forza game would be a good thing too).
For now, I will be all over:
1st) if a new PGR is announced for Xbox One
2nd) if a mobile PGT is announced
3th) if it is a game to Xbox 360 (I do not care much for the platform right now).
I don't think a mobile PGR is out of the question, but it doesn't seem too likely that a literal "PGR5" would be released on mobile, and we've definitely heard rumours of a PGR5 specifically.
Lucid + lots of outsourced content + reused/purchased models from other games + relatively long development cycle with existing codebase which MS may own sounds like it may allow a small studio to produce an AA title of the sort.
Lucid + lots of outsourced content + reused/purchased models from other games + relatively long development cycle with existing codebase which MS may own sounds like it may allow a small studio to produce an AA title of the sort.
That's pretty much what I'm thinking. I'm also thinking/hoping that they're using the engine that was demoed with the leaked Blur 2 R8/Dubai clip. Couple that with BADNED essentially confirming Dubai as a race locale... PGR5 for 360, one or two new locales and a bunch of cars, probably models created by Turn 10. Doing it this way is far better, because it means they can reuse all the old assets they created, because they're technically owned by MS anyway.
I have another theory as well, that because Lucid isn't owned by MS, Rare has essentially been a proxy for allowing Lucid to hire staff and have MS pay for them. By the books, they work for Rare/MS, but located in Liverpool at the Lucid offices.
Eh, what the hell. I was looking up the dude who did the music for (amongst other things) the Geometry Wars titles (and also did a bunch of freelance audio stuff for Bizarre) and saw this on his LinkedIn:
It's been a while since I've bothered looking up any info or put forth any new speculation, so this is my fix, if you will. Carry on.
Fun fact, and something I didn't know:
Something else in the "interesting but not at all relevant" department, Martyn Chudley holds (along with MS, I assume) a number of patents, all quite interesting:
I wonder if any of those line up with anything that could be coming up... hmmm.
It's been a while since I've bothered looking up any info or put forth any new speculation, so this is my fix, if you will. Carry on.
Fun fact, and something I didn't know:
From here, on the iOS game Table Top Racing, which I will now buy if only because the sound design sounds awesome as hell.
Something else in the "interesting but not at all relevant" department, Martyn Chudley holds (along with MS, I assume) a number of patents, all quite interesting:
What's interesting about the above one, is that there was not that there was an application for it first lodged at the start of 2005 (PGR3?), but there was an additional grand to use it in March 2010... foretelling what would become Autovista mode.
Filed in 2003 mid-2003 and granted Nov. 2004 (PGR3), applied for again in mid-2007 (PGR4).
I wonder if any of those line up with anything that could be coming up... hmmm.
soundscream
Member
Shaneus are you going to be watching the Microsoft press briefing with someone?
I don't like the idea of you watching it all alone.
I don't like the idea of you watching it all alone.
brotkasten
Member
You guys should all join SteamGAF during the conference. GAF is going to be down anyway.
I wish I had. =c
When is it?
FWIW, I *did* manage to survive the One unveiling (barely), so I should be right Appreciate your concern, though <3
Is there a particular group?
TwiztidElf
Member
2.30am Tuesday morning for us Shaneus.
I just had a realisation... I made this post back when Lucid was first formed. What if the initial glue that brought the team together was that they'd start working on PGR5 right away? I mean, since they've formed they didn't seem to have much output... that free Vita photo app thing, the OnLive stuff, Pixel Smash (an Arkanoid clone for iOS) and... other than JJ, that's it. Hard to believe that only those titles would keep an entire studio afloat and busily working for two years.
Well, I did it for the reveal, no reason I can't do it again. When does that pre-presentation reveal kick off? 2:30, or an hour beforehand?
FWIW Ever since that reveal, I've been hoping for PGR5 on 360. It astounds me that we haven't heard *anything* about it at all... not even official confirmation that we're actually getting a PGR5.
It'll be six months since that picture was first hosted on Lucid's site... and that's basically it. BADNED has eased my mind a little in that regard, but there's still nothing 100% solid we can say (although I could probably say with 95% certainty that whatever they're working on has Dubai in it).
PS. For those of you who think a new PGR title on 360 could be a bad thing, I'm-a post you some reminders about why I have no problem with that at all:
And something for a bit of a laugh
For now, I'm going to play some Blur on 360. Believe it or not, that game has a constant ~9,000 people playing it on XBL.
Ugh, FML. Two late nights in a row, considering I'm going out on Sunday for the long weekend. And if I wasn't... Montreal GP
Well, I did it for the reveal, no reason I can't do it again. When does that pre-presentation reveal kick off? 2:30, or an hour beforehand?
Which news is that? The underclocked GPU, the lack of consumer rights essentially confirmed for One owners, or something else I missed?
FWIW Ever since that reveal, I've been hoping for PGR5 on 360. It astounds me that we haven't heard *anything* about it at all... not even official confirmation that we're actually getting a PGR5.
It'll be six months since that picture was first hosted on Lucid's site... and that's basically it. BADNED has eased my mind a little in that regard, but there's still nothing 100% solid we can say (although I could probably say with 95% certainty that whatever they're working on has Dubai in it
).PS. For those of you who think a new PGR title on 360 could be a bad thing, I'm-a post you some reminders about why I have no problem with that at all:
And something for a bit of a laugh
Hi guys. I got us a good reaction gif from Tuesday's presentation:
<3
For now, I'm going to play some Blur on 360. Believe it or not, that game has a constant ~9,000 people playing it on XBL.
TJP
Member
All of the above. Xbox One is a non-starter for me even if PGR and FM live up to the most rabid fanboy expectations. Same for Sony if they pull the same anti-consumer bullshit as the PC has enough driving sims/games to keep me occupied for years. I will cry to myself though....Which news is that? The underclocked GPU, the lack of consumer rights essentially confirmed for One owners, or something else I missed?
And 3 people playing multiplayer on PC 8( I'm not surprised 9,000 still play Blur multiplayer as it's excellent. I retained my Xbox version of Blur. I must fire up the white paperweight and have a a few races online sometime.
Rabid cheating, from what I can gather. The Steam forums (when they still had Blur, at least) were filled with complaints about cheaters. Which is why I was so surprised that the online community is so damn strong with it on console. But you'll need Live though.
Maybe someone has a spare one or three monther hanging around?
TJP
Member
My statement was poetic licence 8)
As Shaneus stated, the PC version is sadly full of cheaters using trainers and the mulitplayer died off as a result. For the record, last time I played Blur on PC about a month ago there were about 100 people in the online lobbies. I prefer the PC version for the better IQ but the mulitplayer is a ghost town when compared to the console version.
How much support do you think Activision are giving Blur right now? Could almost guarantee you that it'd be patched and it wouldn't be an issue anymore if they were still maintaining the game (other than the servers themselves). Explains there isn't a more even spread amongst PC and 360 players (not sure of PS3).
So there's nothing to worry about with that sort of thing for any of the upcoming games. Plus, the audience for Blur is at least a somewhat different demographic to those who play PC sim games. It's those console simmers you have to watch out for as far as being dicks are concerned
Why am I not in this group? Seriously...
TJP
Member
You still talking yourself out of buying a gaming PC then Mascot 8)
PC simulation racers who take multiplayer seriously are either signed up to iRacing which has a strict penalty system for collisions/moronic behavour or they are part of a sim racing community such as RaceDepartment (there are plenty of others) where one races in organised events/series on password protected servers. At present CARS has a username and password verification check just after you start the launcher and there is nothing stopping SMS from using this system for the multiplayer side of their game.
In summary, public lobby racing is largely the same experience be it on PC or console. From experience, the public lobbies for the heavily pirated Race series are a nightmare however most PC sims are usually pretty good.
TJP
Member
SimBin's RACE series multiplayer is overrun by people playing cracked copies and using a heap of hacks to screw up the racing. SimBin blame Steam and the admins of Steam say it's a SimBin issue.
Anyway, this is a PGR thread!
(Image isn't mine)
TJP
Member
It is indeed; it's just we usually insert PGR into other racing game threads and not the other way around
(Not my image)
Lol, came here to share the good news about PGR5 being finally confirmed then quickly realised it was a dream I had last night. Shaneus (who looked like Martin Prince, for some reason) was going MENTAL in it.
Take heart, though: last time I had such a vivid dream (about a football match) I placed a £15 bet based on it and won £1500.
Take heart, though: last time I had such a vivid dream (about a football match) I placed a £15 bet based on it and won £1500.
I dreamed that Microsoft announced PRG2 remake for the Xbox 360 and PGR5 to the Xbone.
I'm serious.
sCHOCOLATE
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BrokenSymmetry
Member
There's a very nice PGR3 restrospective up on Eurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-09-project-gotham-racing-3-retrospective
At the launch of the 360 I bough PGR3, Kameo, and Perfect Dark Zero, but PGR3 was the only game I played. Altough PGR4 is a better game, PGR3 has been the most sim-like game of of all PGRs, with very twitchy cars, and lots of understeer. Also had a better cockpit view than PGR4.
And what happened to the promise of Gotham TV, a feature (watching others play live) that every game was going to have?
At the launch of the 360 I bough PGR3, Kameo, and Perfect Dark Zero, but PGR3 was the only game I played. Altough PGR4 is a better game, PGR3 has been the most sim-like game of of all PGRs, with very twitchy cars, and lots of understeer. Also had a better cockpit view than PGR4.
And what happened to the promise of Gotham TV, a feature (watching others play live) that every game was going to have?
One generation too early. It's gonna be in every game soon.
I hope that's a good article, because I just tweeted it to Lucid without even reading it. Let's see if they say/do anything with it (a la retweet, favourite etc.
PS. Why would they have a retrospective on PGR3 now? Do they know something?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
THE LUCID DREAM IS OFFICIALLY OVER
It's a fucking iOS game for 2K called 2K Drive!!! FUCK!
https://itunes.apple.com/nl/app/2k-drive/id568869205?mt=8
It's a fucking iOS game for 2K called 2K Drive!!! FUCK!
https://itunes.apple.com/nl/app/2k-drive/id568869205?mt=8