Hello, grown adult here with plenty of responsibility, and I've enjoyed sinking a fair amount of my precious leisure time into Dragon Age. Just because it isn't worth your time doesn't make it for children and feckless adults.....
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
- Thread starter DarkLordMalik
- Start date
Hello, grown adult here with plenty of responsibility, and I've enjoyed sinking a fair amount of my precious leisure time into Dragon Age. Just because it isn't worth your time doesn't make it for children and feckless adults.....
Honestly, I can't remember the last game I bought for more than $35. I usually wait 3-6 months post release because I'm pretty busy.
That said, the launch window is such a critical sales period for your game, I feel strongly that the ASP would hold higher if these single player experiences would swallow the pill and launch at $40 out of the door.
A fan or an employee?
I love this post. Not even kidding. So many debates about this game would be far less heated if "meh, not for me" was the reaction instead of making wide generalizations about quality, people's reasons for looking forward to the game, or value.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Really tired of these blanket accusations against people, earlier in the thread a user referred to everyone who enjoys open world games as "No-lifers" and now you try to tell me that I'm either a child or someone with no responsibility. I can't stand passive aggressive insults.
I'm just so tired of the controversy, hand wringing, and concern trolling over this game. I've tried to keep out of every thread but it seems a new one pops up ever two days.
I have my copy preordered. I've seen enough to know the game suits my tastes. I know I am taking a calculated risk just like anyone else who preorders anything ever.
If you have concerns over length, game play or some other elements? Wait for the reviews to drop and go from there. That is what they are there for.
With every leaked playthrough, Trophy profile or some such other BS I feel like we have gotten so far from what it really means to be a gamer that buys or borrows a copy of something, pops in the game, plays it and gets the most valuable opinion possible: their own.
I have my copy preordered. I've seen enough to know the game suits my tastes. I know I am taking a calculated risk just like anyone else who preorders anything ever.
If you have concerns over length, game play or some other elements? Wait for the reviews to drop and go from there. That is what they are there for.
With every leaked playthrough, Trophy profile or some such other BS I feel like we have gotten so far from what it really means to be a gamer that buys or borrows a copy of something, pops in the game, plays it and gets the most valuable opinion possible: their own.
Freeman
Banned
Yep. Most people just show up with some hard "facts", most if not all without having played the game.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Almost up there with the 'people who don't have enough real-life friends to play Destiny with have clinical social issues'.
Almost.
But seriously, I'm not getting the 'rage' here. If it doesn't look worth the asking price, than wait for the bomba prices. Doesn't mean don't discuss the value of it as a $60 game, as subjective as it is. But people aren't being forced to buy Day 1. Hell, the whole fucking mantra of GAF the past 2-3 years has been 'No Pre-Orders' and no blind purchases. Length also doesn't indicated quality, nor the only metric for value. Some people prefer shorter, linear games.
Edit: Also a good point that if you have no interest in linear games or the genre of the game in question, you probably shouldn't be in the discussion if that's all you're bringing into it.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Maybe but I enjoy the AAA bubble.
Here you go GAF, totally unbiased consumer. Really you hope a game does not sell well? Yes let's hope it affects the company that made it because you don't like it for irrational reasons.
I dont understand the vitriol. If you think its just a boring linear TPS then you can just ignore it and focus on something else.
fastballspecial
Member
What is wrong with letting your potential customers know what they are getting themselves into? Pretty shady of them, especially after all the uproar.
Xander Crews
Member
I agree that it's not a perfect comparison. My point was that there was more to do than just that one campaign playthrough. I don't know the extent of what The Order will offer, but I am sure it is more than what was in the 5 hour play through.
I feel the same people who paid $30 for Ground Zeroes, played that main mission in 1 hour or so, and traded it in are the same people who will pay $60 for The Order, play through it in 5-6 hours and be done with it. More power to them. There is more the experience in the game though.
One thing I find odd is we have a guy who actually played the game who was told by someone who watched the YouTube video that
which the GAFfer who played it said is absolutely false. So... Wtf? How do we get that mixed up?
the last 5 chapters were only cutscenes
I'm almost finished watching one of the youtube play-throughs and... it does seem like there isn't much to explore mainly because most of the time players are forced to travel through very linear levels.
Also, there are lots of cinematic cutscenes and gameplay sequences where all you do is just walk through the linear set of levels.
I'm still getting this game when I get my PS4 later this year however. Graphics look great, but hopefully they improve on this formula next time around.
Also, there are lots of cinematic cutscenes and gameplay sequences where all you do is just walk through the linear set of levels.
I'm still getting this game when I get my PS4 later this year however. Graphics look great, but hopefully they improve on this formula next time around.
Aces&Eights
Member
Jesus Jumped Up Christ.
People.
There is this little thing called, "SELL YOUR GAME WHEN YOU ARE DONE"
See, there are these magical places called Best Buy, Game and Gamestop and, (hold on to your butt) they will pay you REAL MONEY for your game when you are done playing it. So, for all of you folks who have had your hearts ripped out that the game is $60.00 whole dollars and is only going to be 5 and a half hours long, this is your salvation. Buy the game Friday night after work. Go home and beat it. Wake up Saturday morning and go sell it back for $40.00. This means you will only be out $20.00. I cannot think of anyone who would disagree that $20.00 is too expensive to be able to play the entire game of The Order:1886.
Also, there ARE people out here in the universe who believe $60.00 is not too expensive for a great SP 5.3728 hour campaign. It is all about one's priorities. My buddy goes out on Sunday and spends $60 on beer and pizza and watches a football game. Total time spent is about 4 hours. I know of people who spend $100.00 to go see Dave Matthews play a 2 hour set. Both of these people are ridiculous IMO but they probably would say the same for me buying The Order.
Opinions, priorities and desires. We are all different.
Christ.
People.
There is this little thing called, "SELL YOUR GAME WHEN YOU ARE DONE"
See, there are these magical places called Best Buy, Game and Gamestop and, (hold on to your butt) they will pay you REAL MONEY for your game when you are done playing it. So, for all of you folks who have had your hearts ripped out that the game is $60.00 whole dollars and is only going to be 5 and a half hours long, this is your salvation. Buy the game Friday night after work. Go home and beat it. Wake up Saturday morning and go sell it back for $40.00. This means you will only be out $20.00. I cannot think of anyone who would disagree that $20.00 is too expensive to be able to play the entire game of The Order:1886.
Also, there ARE people out here in the universe who believe $60.00 is not too expensive for a great SP 5.3728 hour campaign. It is all about one's priorities. My buddy goes out on Sunday and spends $60 on beer and pizza and watches a football game. Total time spent is about 4 hours. I know of people who spend $100.00 to go see Dave Matthews play a 2 hour set. Both of these people are ridiculous IMO but they probably would say the same for me buying The Order.
Opinions, priorities and desires. We are all different.
Christ.
Graphics Horse
Member
That is false and the videos prove it, so whoever watched that wasn't paying attention. Only true for some of those chapters, not all.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
I have no idea how anybody compared this to Vanquish. I caved and watched some gameplay last night after the detractors came out in full force and yeah... I'm gonna pass. AI looked terrible and the gameplay, incredibly bland.
Gamespot is running with it on Youtube now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvWFB45jBg
Not good for sales, I would imagine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvWFB45jBg
Not good for sales, I would imagine.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
Member
Well you know how there's long games, intermediate games and short games. Some people like long games, some people like intermediate games and some people like short games. Some people aren't very concerned about the length of a game and get value from it based on other values, such as how much they are entertained by it for example.
I can't explain it much more simply than that.
Personally speaking the length of a game isn't much of a factor in whether I enjoy a game or not. I'm 105 hours into DA:I but that's not why I'm enjoying it and I'm looking forward to trying The Order irrespective of much shitpiling people keep doing with regards to it length based on yheir their YouTube fuelled disapproval.
I personally don't really care what it costs.
I mean if Sony said 'all games are free' from now on I wouldn't be complaining, don't get me wrong.
And I think they should drop their highest RRP in the UK to £39.99 because I think £49.99 feels too expensive to most people because it might make it a bit easier for people on lower incomes etc to buy more games and take chances on stuff they wouldn't try otherwise. I also think it would increase their software sales rather than just hammering their current profits.
Snapshot King
Member
His post may be vindictive, but in a certain way I agree with him. We've seen game value tumble down a hole the past 10 years, and having these super short and expensive games sell well only encourages more.
Then dont fucking buy them.
Companies generally shy away from length discussion, unless it's "50 hours of gameplay". I remember other devs being asked this in the past (forget for what games though), and being pretty dodgy about it. One of the games was longer too, they just didn't want to reveal total playtime. Maybe it was for Max Payne 3 in that case?
Anyways, it's a common practice to shirk discussion of total playtime unless it's a selling point for a massive world.
Uno Venova
Banned
This doesn't really seem worth the trouble to try and convince yourself it's worth the price, by drinking atmosphere, collecting everything, slowly panning the camera around and watching cloth move to stretch out a short game as much as possible, when you can just buy it for cheap a couple weeks later.
Excuse me for being excited about a game and setting I'm into.
5 hours is speed run territory my man. On a second playthrough or an easy difficulty yeah it could be done I'd guess.
Take a guess.
fastballspecial
Member
You're right but I still don't get why it's taboo. Movie studios always list running times for movies, even though people can walk out of a theater whenever they want if they've got something else to do. I know the games comparison to movies isn't a great one because games are played differently by everyone, but you know RAD has the numbers about average play through length. If it's something they're proud of then they should be more open.
You might need to chill out...
He's just writing a basic opinion, he isn't getting snappy or anything enough to warrant replies that that.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
But it was needlessly padded by those awful 'search the house for tools' bits. Take those out, crack on with the shooting and Wolfenstein would've been perfect for me - to me that's what the Order sounds like it's doing; ditching the fetch quests and telling a story. never had the desire to replay Wolfenstein either,
Snapshot King
Member
Really? You don't care what it costs? 100 bucks? 200? Don't care at all?
I won't? Why're you angry? Did I offend you?
Some folks do not have unlimited income and prefer to be cautious with their money by buying something that will last them a bit longer. I can't fault them for that and even feel that way about certain games sometimes myself. But I do think I am going to enjoy this one for what it is.
So people now may not be hyped or excited for a game with rich atmosphere and setting?
Im sorry I am tired of "i want x game to do bad".
I sell almost every game when I am done with it lol. I have $180 in credit at GameStop. Im going to enjoy The Order and then sell it back and still have $160 in credit, works for me. I have beaten around 10 games for the PS4 and the only game I have right now is BF4 because its my favorite Mp game. Oh and I have DA:I to return for credit right now also!
Backfoggen
Banned
People getting mad in this thread. You are still going to get the game you look forward to. You don't need others to agree.
Hey, savour and drink all you want. When you write it out in the way they did, I can't help it if you sound like a silly fanboy/girl.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Yes...because people who want the game are the [only] problem...
Not sure why we have to keep stooping to the mudslinging.
'What a bunch of fanboys'
'It's only cuz of console wars'
'Apologists'
'Lazy devs better lose jobs'
'People who prefer x type of games are [insert insult]'
And on and on and on...
Moosehole
Member
Also, a bit more on topic, if the game actually is 5 hours long I think people deserve to know before hand. My gaming habits don't mesh well with paying $60 for 5-6 hours of game play. That is my preference.
That said, there is absolutely space in the industry for more cinematic, shorter experiences (if that's what The Order even is), and outrage over it is ridiculous. Just because you don't want something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
That said, there is absolutely space in the industry for more cinematic, shorter experiences (if that's what The Order even is), and outrage over it is ridiculous. Just because you don't want something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
The age of clickbait is upon us. I would really rather GS wait until they play their review copy and make their own mind.
Officerrob
Banned
5 hours, half of which are cutscenes? I really hope that is not true
I don't get why people always use this kind of false comparisons to justify their choice (and then act like anti "industry standard" activists). It's not like every longer game is automatically a repetitive boring game with no gameplay and a lame story. There are great long games out there as well as lame long games. But this applies for short games too.
When you guys say that the length of a game has nothing to do with its quality, then why do you constantly try to point out how awesome the quality of short games is? I enjoy both types of games. But 70 Euros are way too much for me for just 5 hours. I cancelled my preorder. I'd rather buy some nice short story based games now on steam and wait until I can grab The Order for 20 bucks.
Don't get me wrong. If you want to spend 70 bucks for this game, then go ahead. I'm totally fine with this. But don't act like every longer game is a shitty repetitive game and just because of that it is justifiable to buy short games for the same price.
I agree, I'd love that kind of transparency, but most people vote with length of time being coordinated with value. I understand that and do it myself at times, so I can see why if average it's about 6 hours why RAD wouldn't want that to be the focus. Remember Ground Zeroes being a $40 demo, even though you could milk different scenarios for like 8+ hours, the main mission could be fairly quickly finished. If they advertised it that way, no one would've bought it right away except for the dedicated MGS lovers.
I'll buy it regardless because it looks like an interesting new IP, but I'm sure many would skip or wait due to length.
But it is anyways. So they should probably just come out and say it.
CarbonByGravity
Member
I'm implying that Bioware is guilty of doing this with Dragon Age Inquisition. I would have no idea if this is the case with The Order as I have yet play it. However, if this were the cause with The Order, it would be a travesty of epic proportion.
What about the impressions that have put this game over the 8 hour mark?
Must have been a slow news day for sure. They indeed should have waited to reveal any and all information regarding the length of the game along with what is supposed to be a 'professional' review.
Similar threads
- Poll