This isn't a hearts and minds game. This is a punch these assholes back into their trailer game. If they are allowed to show up when and wherever they want without recourse, they will do it more often, more emphatically and eventually more dangerously to the point where they might just decide to burn down a business or try to publicly kill someone. This is a slippery slope and we stop it by countering with our fists.
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Richard Spencer may be rallying at Univ. of Florida next...what is the way forward?
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Mr. E. Yis
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No, he is pretending he has none. I would imagine that all colleges' rules do not permit violence, inciting violence, threats, and some type of racial harrasment laws in their code, for anywhere on campus.
Plus there is the whole reserving space thing, so he is giving them a platform in exchange for money.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
Of course he gets an escort by a cop.
But the black guy who was beaten up by several Nazis? They were no where to be found.
all is lost. Nazi are now a 'different opinion'
This is not the trailer park and we need to stop insinuating that it is. This is organized, youthful angry radicals MAGA white American.
This is not the trailer park and we need to stop insinuating that it is. This is organized, youthful angry radicals MAGA white American.
Psychoward
Banned
Especially when it was right next to the station.
You're working for them.
GoldenEye 007
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Yes, I think given the history of Spencer and his group, it is very easy to deny this based on the inevitable happening. They incite violence. So on those grounds, they should be barred.
I'm not sure why his general counsel isn't working overtime to craft the appropriate statement on it.
UF has one of the largest Jewish student populations of all colleges in the country. Don't think the students are just going to ignore the Neo Nazis.
As an alum, I definitely don't support the decision to allow Spencer etc. If there is legally nothing the university can do, okay I guess.
As an alum, I definitely don't support the decision to allow Spencer etc. If there is legally nothing the university can do, okay I guess.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
How the fuck can you even remotely say this after yesterday?
BenjiGAF
Member
I like this better than "Hit people" tbh. Sends a more powerful message
They're living in a bubble. They can't change progress and even if they do move some needles, we will push back.
Telosfortelos
Advocate for the People
I've read much of it. There's very little in the way of argument. Here's a link to research about non-violent protest, on the other hand:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...ved=0ahUKEwjLuru9-dTVAhVnjVQKHdA5DPMQgQMIJjAA
I understand the primal urge, but it doesn't work. Think about what you value, and think about how you're going to get it. Violence is not the answer. Violence pushes dumbasses who might join your cause to the other side.
This is seriously the worst kind of counterproductive nonsense. Not only are you not fighting for your cause, you're fighting someone who is clearly interested in similar long term outcomes about whether you should engage in violent protest. You're not trying to convince me. You're dismissing me as not one of you because I'm arguing that violence is counterproductive. It's seriously insane. Again, what do you care for? How are your actions achieving it? Don't fall for the emotional trap.
The world isn't as naive and idealistic as your final sentence implies.
Lyon N. Laap
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Counter protest groups are already starting to organize themselves into a coalition in preparation, according to the No Nazi's at UF Facebook page.
The main desire there seems to be for a nonviolent counter-demonstration, perhaps a little interference such as by taking up parking near the school. There are a few who are arguing the event should just be ignored as promoted by President Fuchs but it doesn't seem to be popular viewpoint. I personally like President Fuchs even if I don't agree with him here, and I'd like to believe that his hands are legally tied here, though obviously I'd prefer some pretext to not allow this to happen.
Worst thing is that the 12th is a school day. I'll probably still attend class, but will obviously be a little more cautious.
The main desire there seems to be for a nonviolent counter-demonstration, perhaps a little interference such as by taking up parking near the school. There are a few who are arguing the event should just be ignored as promoted by President Fuchs but it doesn't seem to be popular viewpoint. I personally like President Fuchs even if I don't agree with him here, and I'd like to believe that his hands are legally tied here, though obviously I'd prefer some pretext to not allow this to happen.
Worst thing is that the 12th is a school day. I'll probably still attend class, but will obviously be a little more cautious.
smokeandmirrors
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They were either with the Nazis or helping them escape. Gotta help their fellow brothers.
Look at the posts in this very thread...nearly all of them are eager to ridicule or use violence against these Nazis.
It's like they don't take this serious enough but it should be taken very serious, because this shit will spread more and more if you don't get to the core of the problem: Allowing hate speech in the first place.
It's not the time for pseudo-intellectual, witty, sarcastic comments. It's time for some initiative. Do something about it, go protest, regularly and inform people in your surroundings that Hate speech doesn't fall under Freedom of speech. If they don't get it, do it as long as you have to. Educate yourself on this matter and do some history research...
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
You actually pose an interesting question: what would they do if ISIS supporters wanted to protest there?
GoldenEye 007
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No. You're wrong and have no understanding of Nazis in history. The best way to deal with them is to put them down. There is no conversation to be had.
I don't really understand the letter from the University president. It sounds like they actually can say "NO" to this group without legal repurcussion, but for some reason it is still "under discussion".
I think the smart move is just to provide them with an "estimate" of security costs that is some astronomical, unaffordable amount. Like 10M for 10,000 security officers. After Charlottesville you can pretty easily justify it.
I think the smart move is just to provide them with an "estimate" of security costs that is some astronomical, unaffordable amount. Like 10M for 10,000 security officers. After Charlottesville you can pretty easily justify it.
Psychoward
Banned
Probably be detained by campus security at least
cartographer
Member
Gotta win the hearts and minds game guys, even if it results in the hearts and minds of marginalized populations no longer beating or thinking.
Hearts and minds game though. (It's the image of the man beaten by white supremacists).
Hearts and minds game though. (It's the image of the man beaten by white supremacists).
Bubbavelli
Banned
All this kumbayay shit tells me is that you spend all your time on neogaf and have never been in an altercation in your life
Captainbojanglesiii
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I have class on campus all day that Tuesday
It could very well get violent, and President Fuchs' message is clearly not going to happen (Ignoring the speech). I know of at least one Jewish frat that won't take kindly to hiss message, but we've had Nazi troubles/frats putting up Trump signs in the past. Probably won't be pretty
It could very well get violent, and President Fuchs' message is clearly not going to happen (Ignoring the speech). I know of at least one Jewish frat that won't take kindly to hiss message, but we've had Nazi troubles/frats putting up Trump signs in the past. Probably won't be pretty
UberTag
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Don't even entertain this lie for a second.
Never forget that Trump got away with the entirety of the government by being a racist, sexist, xenophobic asshole, while people shat on Clinton for underestimating the amount of Americans who are irredeemable shitlords.
The right is not confused, nor are they lost. The right is pretty much conscious cartoon evil at this point. They do not give a fuck about equivalent moral standards across the board. They will call you a nigger to your face while clutching pearls when you call them racist over it. They don't care. It is obvious they don't care.
Stop treating them as if they need a talk. Negotiating is over.
The right is not confused, nor are they lost. The right is pretty much conscious cartoon evil at this point. They do not give a fuck about equivalent moral standards across the board. They will call you a nigger to your face while clutching pearls when you call them racist over it. They don't care. It is obvious they don't care.
Stop treating them as if they need a talk. Negotiating is over.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Yeah we gonna get beaten to shit, but gotta win them hearts and minds. Right...
I know how to win hearts and minds, by driving Nazis out of this country by fucking them up.
avengers23
Banned
Telosfortelos
Advocate for the People
Make an argument. You have no idea what my life has been like. My brother is in prison because he's black. My nephew has been through more hell than I can imagine because he grew up in the ghetto. I'm passionate about this because violence is the way we lose, and I'm terrified by how many of you don't see that.
psychowave
Member
Honestly I don't understand the whole "just debate them" mentality. How do you do that? How do you convince nazis that minorities are people who deserve human rights too? Like how the fuck do you even begin to make an argument for that? It should be self-explanatory. I don't know how you can possibly convert these people.
This tbh
This tbh
GoldenEye 007
Member
There is no negotiation with Nazis.
I don't either, nor do I know why people keep assuming that people are Nazis out of genuine misinformation. Y'all don't treat ISIS like this.
Bubbavelli
Banned
And you still want to give peace a chance when these people dont want any of your family to exist and that they're genetically infererior, and that your nephew should stay and die there preferably at a younger age so he doesnt grow into a "supernegro?"
UberTag
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Nazis and counter-protest groups across the country are already booking their flights and vacation time.
I'm sure it'll be perfectly civil.
Dr. Benton Quest
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GoldenEye 007
Member
Well if this letter is any indication, the upper administration is handling this poorly. That's not a good situation.
Of the heart and mind.
Telosfortelos
Advocate for the People
Crossing Eden
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smokeandmirrors
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If someone sees a bunch of Nazis getting slaughtered and think "so much for the tolerant left!!" Then they aren't the hearts and minds you will ever win.
GoldenEye 007
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Long term? It's been 80 years. And for minorities in the US, much longer. How much longer should we wait?
Let's go with this. What's the worse that can happen?
Oops.
Yesterday should have been the day where we realized we are going too far by allowing Nazis to rally. They killed someone and hurt dozens of other protesters. This is what happens when you let them assemble. But no, we have to play a "hearts and minds" game while they continue to hurt and kill people and get support from the President. They want you to do that foolish endeavor, they want you weak. That's why the say things like "so much for the tolerant left" and shit, they want to paint you as hypocrites and make you submissive. You are extremely naive if you fall for this shit.
The left isn't tolerant, we are bloody and violent, and have been since our start in the French Revolution. Every thing that we call progress has come from paving the way with the blood and death of our enemies. Modern democracy, human rights, worker's rights, and so on. Nazism seeks to destroy everything we built on for a regressive genocidal regime, they are a threat to humanity, and if you're too cowardly to accept that violence might be the only solution for an ideology that is inherently violent and murderous, stand aside while others do it.
I'm an alumnus. Do me proud, current Gators, and resist.
Not sure of the legality of a public university refusing speakers but I feel like it can be done, and if so, shame on the administration. It's not much, but if that ends up being true, I'll be withholding any donations henceforth. And I'll be saying why when I get those phone calls.
Not sure of the legality of a public university refusing speakers but I feel like it can be done, and if so, shame on the administration. It's not much, but if that ends up being true, I'll be withholding any donations henceforth. And I'll be saying why when I get those phone calls.
Telosfortelos
Advocate for the People
This is such insane bullshit. The left celebrating violence and death will push kids away. It will push moderates away. It will cause us to lose what we care about. Or do you care more for violence than for change?
The fact that this is all 20-year-olds should show you that does not work. We're tried that and now things are worse than they've been at any point since the Civil Rights era.
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