Snkfanatic
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Don't think I said anything about OP's issues not being legitimate but ok.
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Rise of the Tomb Raider's garbage combat
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Don't think I said anything about OP's issues not being legitimate but ok.
geordiemp
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Dont forget Killzone devs, they seem to like input lag and heavy controls as well.
I just cant enjoy games that do this, even GTA 5 I could not stomach for that long
noomi
Member
This is what completely ruined the experience for me, and why I stopped playing until I am able to pick it up on PC later this month.
Not trying to start shit or anything, but anyone think it's due to the hardware limitations of the xb1? Curious to see what it's like on the ps4 later this year...
Not trying to start shit or anything, but anyone think it's due to the hardware limitations of the xb1? Curious to see what it's like on the ps4 later this year...
Langdon Alger
Banned
Doubt it's hardware limitations, since the 360 version controls perfectly with almost no lag.
Krusenstern
Banned
Yeah. A mod has to change the title to reflect that.
Anyway, I hope the PC version doesn't suffer from it.
noomi
Member
Honestly it could be, but the 360 is also running at 720p (?) with lesser graphics.
Either way, it stinks that the input lag is so bad on the xb1, makes it very difficult to enjoy the game. Was nearly impossible for me to make precision headshots as well. Hope that this gets addressed one day.
You're right, but if you look at your map, you can find all the trash in the world and pick it up. It's like you are combating littering aka garbage combat. And you learn languages by doing this! Lol
Definitely noticed jankiness aiming - I rarely bothered to line up headshots because an enemy would move about 3 times before it aligned.
Also the first time I beat the game, it froze and crashed on the final section within 2 minutes of booting it up. This happened for about 10 attempts. I thought my save was corrupted and I'd never be able to complete it. Then I got through the scripting problem or whatever it was. That was day 2 or 3, I believe I was using a day-one firmware patch.
Both those problems pale in comparison to the game having the same weapons and upgrades as its prequel. The environments are splendid, but it's a different coat of paint on the same game.
Also the first time I beat the game, it froze and crashed on the final section within 2 minutes of booting it up. This happened for about 10 attempts. I thought my save was corrupted and I'd never be able to complete it. Then I got through the scripting problem or whatever it was. That was day 2 or 3, I believe I was using a day-one firmware patch.
Both those problems pale in comparison to the game having the same weapons and upgrades as its prequel. The environments are splendid, but it's a different coat of paint on the same game.
The fact that you experience this with Halo is strange. What tv are you using?
ToyMachine228
Member
I had no issues with the camera or controls in Rise of the Tomb Raider. I did have issues with the fact that the combat was largely boring. Enemies act in a very predictable and repetitive manner. Many of them rush you with melee weapons and simply run in a straight line toward you from a mile away, while they're supposed to be members of an elite secret society. No one trained them to do anything but "run" very slowly toward people shooting at them. None of the combat scenarios felt fresh, engaging or strategic. I also found the lack of a run and gun and/or blind fire from cover mechanic, odd. I don't seem to remember having issues with the previous Tomb Raider's combat, but Rise's stood out to me as fairly lackluster.
The issue in Halo 5 was nowhere as extreme as it is in RotTR but I felt a very small delay that didn't help my aim at all. Reducing the deadzones helped a bunch. I didn't have a problem with any other Halo game. Idk what model my TV is but I have a Sony TV from 2009.
hmm, if I reall correctly 2008 sony tvs were exceptionally good for input lag.... but I think they drastically reversed that trend in 2009 which were pretty bad for games. In any case, if you don't have problems in other games perhaps it's something else. Use 'Game' or 'Pc' mode if the tv has it, that may help.
Rising_Hei
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That was just @ Killzone 2... and it was on purpose
Teletraan1
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The people who do adjust their TVs are probably the ones who are the most sensitive to it. I know I am one. My mother actually hated her HDTV until I shut off all that motion control bullshit. She thought she was going crazy because there was something wrong with the way she perceived the images. Once I shut it all off and calibrated the picture for her she loved it. My dad, totally opposite. I would adjust his TV every time I went over there, turn off all that shit, turn off torch mode and every time I went back it was all set to default again so I gave up on that.
I know a lot of people who game away blissfully ignorant of things such as input lag, low frame rate, screen tearing and judder/frame pacing. Often it isn't until it is pointed out that they start to notice. I have had multiple people give me shit for pointing out things they were ignorant to and now it bothers them, screen tearing being the most obvious. Same thing happened with Pan and Scan movies on TV. That shit used to make me queasy, other people didn't even notice it until I pointed it out.
The point of this is that it bothers some people more than others. I wish I was not as sensitive to it but I am. I think it has a lot to do with bailing on the 360/ps3 gen super early and going PC only where I always strive for high, stable frame rates over graphics. Do 5+ years where everything you play is 60 and this all becomes a lot more noticeable.
IronicSonic
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The only way to play through this game in harder dificulty levels is with shotguns and explosive/poison arrows. The input lag is real and is a shame that CD does not fix it yet
I bought a Samsung 4K tv (7000 series) and I definitely noticed that the input delay was much less than that of my Sony tv. Playing Halo 5 pre-patch on the 4K TV was incredible, multiplayer became a joke since my aim was so good. I had to return it to Costco since it was an awful tv for movie watching, but from that whole experience, I've noted that my TV does have a somewhat large amount of input lag, probably more than average, I guess? Idk. I've had no problem in other Halo games and all of the cod games. I actually stopped playing CoD games because it became too easy for me LOL. I've connected my PC to my computer and played the Dead Space games at 60+ FPS and all of those games felt extremely responsive. Played Tomb Raider at around 45-60 FPS and I had no problems at all with aiming.
yup, thank god i didn't have to pay money to try this game. I mean they replaced good OG TR gameplay with tons of shoot-out arenas and then managed to fuck that part of the formula up too for the sequel.
Now sanitized exploration, sanitized tombs, sanitized puzzles and shit gunplay. 8.6/10.
Now sanitized exploration, sanitized tombs, sanitized puzzles and shit gunplay. 8.6/10.
Nixxes does what Crysdon't
Plenty have already covered it but damn the lag in this video looks pretty horrid even in real-time.
Okay.
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YOU!
Please do this with Xenoblade Chronicles X (if you have it). Because I KNOW that game has some of the worst input lag I've ever felt and not a single damn reviewer brought it up at all. It can't just be me.
so i went ahead and tried the demo....
....and i honestly thought it was fine. Seriously, it was more or less in line with how 2013 XB1 version felt. A little heavy but fine if youre not expecting this to be Uncharted @ 60fps or Titanfall
so yeah, im actually gonna take back what i said and pick this up now
Well damn
Rookieuser
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I've finished the game at 100 % and I have not noticed , I have to be completely senile. xD xD xD
I really have to wonder whether this was done on purpose or not. I mean, Lara used to have a heavier, less floaty feel to her back in the day (which is something many people nowadays make fun of but many fans of the series actually appreciate and hugely prefer over the floaty controls of, say, Legend) so if the input lag affects everything, not just the camera controls it could be Crystal's attempt at returning some weight to Lara's controls. However, the 360 version not having the input lag would suggest that it's not intentional.
Lord Error
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Your video shows ~200ms input lag. That's a LOT. Most 30FPS games are around 130 at most, and around 100 if developer knows what they're doing. 60FPS games are almost always below 100ms. It's bad enough already on your TV but consider that for some people it will only be worse if they have TV with more lag than you.
This kind of thing is usually deep rooted in the intertwining of rendering pipeline and game logic. It's unlikely it can just be patched. More than likely they have to rethink / rewrite the way their engine works.
Input lag is never a design choice. It's always bourne out of bad technical design or limitations.
Okay.
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Just curious (for estimating timings): was the Splatoon footage captured at 30 FPS or 60 FPS?
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Deleted member 752119
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It was mildly annoying, but I got used to it quick and didn't have many problems. I only played on normal though.
ethomaz
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So they removed it on 360 on purpose too because Lara's body is lighter in this version.
C'mon I'm starting to think I'm an idiot reading these replies
Hopefully.
Reminds me of the "bu bu bu Killzone is supposed to be WEIGHTY and REALISTIC!"
Yeah....naw son. They even significantly eliminated it in KZ3
Wowfunhappy
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You seem to understand the underlining technology at play with regards to input lag. If you had to guess, what would you say is the likelihood of it being fixed in the PC version?
LordOcidax
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Xenoblade X is not a shooter, so, is not a big deal...
Night Angel
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No. Input lag is fucking horrible no matter what game you're playing.
7DollarHagane
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Eh, for an exploration game with menu based combat I think a little lag is pretty acceptable, and probably has to do with all the shit going on in that game visually. It's low on the priority list.
The fact that there's people in this thread like "I finished the game on hardest and had no trouble lolololol" is hilarious. It's been proven to be a problem and saying you didnt notice it means nothing, or it means you were oblivious to it.
LordOcidax
Member
Agree with you, but is not the same, you can deal with a input lag on a action rpg like XCX, but no in a shooter like TR or something like COD, or a racing game.
Night Angel
Member
True, it's less debilitating, but it still irks the shit out of me. I can't even handle it in classic JRPGs.
lol, that might be why I'm not noticing it because I played (and just recently beat the 360 version.
I found that the game didn't really get super combat heavy with wave upon wave of mooks until about the last hour. By the time I got sick of that shit, the game was over. Its really too bad because most of the enemy encounters...and the game over all is much better paced when everything slows down.
WordsintheWater
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I had no idea this was a known problem with this game. I recently completed TR
Playing the game a more stealthy way alleviates it because you aren't aiming quickly, but it is definitely something that's irritating. I don't think you should not buy it though, even though it was noticeable to me, the game is one of my favorites from this year.
Clockwork5
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This is something I only began to notice in the past 3 years or so and god damn, does it ruin everything for me...
Thanks for the heads up, OP. I'll keep an eye out for this when the PS4 version arrives. I really like TR so I hope this isn't an issue.
Thanks for the heads up, OP. I'll keep an eye out for this when the PS4 version arrives. I really like TR so I hope this isn't an issue.
I'll do it once I start the game. No problem. I'll hit you up.
The game was running at 60fps. The camera was recording at 30. The gif after being converted was running at 25 (40ms per frame) before I slowed it way down. I know those last two points were the same as the Tomb Raider gif.
I can re-test in the main plaza of Splatoon as I'm reading that runs at 30.