Java games in a VM sound awesome
I was talking about a hypothetical situation in which the Amazon device matched the other consoles in terms of 3rd party support but at a $300 price point and I'm saying that they are the bigger threat to Microsoft's market share. Amazon would be in a better situation than Nintendo, but to me it seems like it would be harder/take a longer time for them to leave than it would for Microsoft who could just focus on other product or do something completely different in the case that the Xbox doesn't end up like they want it to.
That's true, but if it's using an ARM/mobile processor, what will their studios even have to work with? That sounds like it would be incredibly underpowered to get any of the games that people buy dedicated gaming systems for. Are mobile processors even capable of matching a PS3, 360, out Wii U yet?
amazon should buy nintendo. Give me a 200 dollar box with nintendo content which is similarly speced to xbox360/sony with some decent third party support + amazon content. Im in.
The Nvidia Tegra K1 does exactly this
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7622/Screen Shot 2014-01-06 at 6.18.35 AM.png
the system will compete directly with Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo
That (nVidia provided) graphic is incredibly misleading. It ignores the vast majority of the PS3's CPU power for one, by completely excluding the SPEs. The CPU performance quoted is only integer, which has always been the weakest aspect for both the 360 and PS3. It also gets the PS3's memory bandwidth wrong and attempts to downplay the 360's embedded memory. In fact, the memory bandwidth limitations of the Tegra will severely limit its ability to exploit any theoretical compute advantage it may have.
That chart from over at Anandtech is only covering the GPU capabilities, there is other pages that get into the CPU limitations.
It's going to flop. What are they thinking?
Here's my take., and I could be dead wrong, but I think that If this Amazon box isn't as powerful and cheaper than an Xbox One or PlayStation 4, then it's dead on arrival.
If it's as powerful as a Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 or even a Wii U, then what's the point? If the Amazon box is $199 or $299 or hell, even just $99, I can get a new 360 for $169 even a used one for $99 at GameStop and have a massive catalog of games to buy that would dwarf ANY amount of games Amazon puts out or hopefully gets ports of and that's even IF publishers support it. Publishers don't support the OUYA (the most recent Android console) or the Wii U, the most recent HD console that's similar to the PS360 and the Wii U has already sold millions of consoles and I can't see the Amazon box selling that much.
Another problem is it's just damn hard to break into the console market these days. The most recent console maker, Microsoft, spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars in R&D for the Xbox and even more $$$ in marketing just to be dwarfed by the PlayStation 2. The only reason Microsoft didn't go under and are still making games and consoles is because no other company, other than Apple, has more money in the bank to just write checks for. Plus, Microsoft already had the people necessary to make something like a game console. Sony is a hardware company and Microsoft is a software company. Amazon is a retail company primarily. I don't know if Amazon has the funds or manpower to be able to be able to squeeze itself in the crowded console market. (Sure, they can afford a small console definitely, I'm talking about a console that's on par with the current gen of consoles.)
Also, a third issue that's not as important as the 2 above is that fact that this console is from Amazon. I work at Target right now and the higher ups will tell you that Target's #1 competition is NOT Wal-Mart or Costco, but Amazon.com. Amazon is very slowly draining the profits or big box retail stores. Retail stores, however, is still insanely important. The majority of Americans still do their shopping at brick and mortar stores and none of these stores and going to willingly and gladly put a product by their #1 in their store. I can't go into Target and buy a Wal-Mart gift card and I sure as shit wouldn't be able to get an Amazon.com game console. Amazon can't even get a profit off of their Kindle product whose sails can barely make a sent in the tablet market so I doubt they could with a console with 3 powerhouse companies already controlling that space.
TLR - Making a console that will sell today takes way too much money and the console market is already full.
It essentially plays normal apps, but the Google Play store isn't available on it. That's always been the point of the Amazon App Store.does kindle OS play normal android games or is that too far gone at this point since they based it on an old version of android?
Sony is a hardware company and Microsoft is a software company. Amazon is a retail company primarily. I don't know if Amazon has the funds or manpower to be able to be able to squeeze itself in the crowded console market. (Sure, they can afford a small console definitely, I'm talking about a console that's on par with the current gen of consoles.)
And they will be crushed and ignored by Sony/MS and the hardcore gamers anyway.
Depending on how powerful this Android box is, it'd hurt Sony a lot less. In fact if (and that's a MASSIVE "if") Amazon's console takes off rocket-style, Sony's in a much better position to ride that momentum than Microsoft, similar to MS riding the Wii's momentum in the early half of last gen.Not Sony too? $300 undercuts them as well.
One small problem. A simple matter of needing over $12 Billion to buy Nintendo in the first place.
Amazon could buy nintendo and have it sent anywhere for free shipping.
I don't know why anyone is complaining about Android... It's just the OS, it can still be powerful and based off Android. It does not have to run Android games, it can just be based off of it.
It is a long term play. It took 15 years for netflix to kill blockbuster. itunes to become bigger than walmart. Same way, what Amazon is doing now will impact how market is in 2025, 2030.
I find it amazing how few people seem to get it.
But the graphics will suck...
Only 3 kinds of people still think graphics matter. Digital Foundry, NeoGaf and Nvidia.
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But the graphics will suck...
Only 3 kinds of people still think graphics matter. Digital Foundry, NeoGaf and Nvidia. You don't see it often because of budget constraints but mobile SoCs are pretty powerful. If this gets a 2014 SoC you're looking at 360/PS3/WiiU grade stuff. More than enough for most people and what will likely be a pretty cheap device.
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Sadly, this will probably get more 3rd party support than the Wii U.
Agree that a cheap wiiu grade thing with good first party and decent third party with amazon offerings could have potential at teh 150 to 200 range . (otherwise il just go get a ps3 or xbox).
but yeah nope lot more than 3 kinds of ppl think graphics matter ... pretty sure the 7.2 million ppl didnt just comprise neogaf digital foundry and nvidia.
In ways to justify next-gen there's more than graphics. I honestly don't think that's why most people decided to pick up those systems though it factors in.