BREAKING: Russia says it will treat US-led coalition planes in Syria, west of the Euphrates, as targets after US downed Syrian jet.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/876772237730349057
BREAKING: Russia says it will treat US-led coalition planes in Syria, west of the Euphrates, as targets after US downed Syrian jet.
Bring it on, Putin. We'll shoot down every fucking jet you try and engage us with.
You intentionally bomb a city, you get shot down. You intentionally target a UN convoy and kill dozens, you get shot down.
Bring it on, Putin. We'll shoot down every fucking jet you try and engage us with.
I've said for years now the memorandum is a thinly veiled authorization for Russia and Syria to carry out a bombing campaign on Syrians.
There are no "good" answers here, but allowing an Aleppo to happen just because they check in on comms and follow ROEs...maybe those rules are fucked. You intentionally bomb a city, you get shot down. You intentionally target a UN convoy and kill dozens, you get shot down.
We'll see a military coup before this happens. There are enough old Cold Warriors in positions of authority in the military to prevent this.No need Russia, Trump would willingly hand our military over. Anything for daddy Putin.
It's already been changed from 'targeted by SAM assets as targets' to 'escorted by Russian air and air defence aircraft as air assets'
https://twitter.com/airwars/status/876793527887429632
No need Russia, Trump would willingly hand our military over. Anything for daddy Putin.
Yeah, I can't imagine that this is more than empty bluster from Putin. The US was flying F-22s there, and I don't think Russia wants any part of them.
It wasn't an entirely serious postLmao. Half of gaf thinks that Trump has power to make military decisions... pentagon has so many different scenarios and reactions, that they even have reprinted president speeches and notes for whoever the president is.
At least we'll find some use for those F35 that we paid billions for.
Please don't be a real war.
Don't the Russians have the Su-35? There's no clear consensus on which is the superior fighter, and I think the US would be just as hesitant to take on Flanker-E aircraft.
Bring it on, Putin. We'll shoot down every fucking jet you try and engage us with.
I've said for years now the memorandum is a thinly veiled authorization for Russia and Syria to carry out a bombing campaign on Syrians.
There are no "good" answers here, but allowing an Aleppo to happen just because they check in on comms and follow ROEs...maybe those rules are fucked. You intentionally bomb a city, you get shot down. You intentionally target a UN convoy and kill dozens, you get shot down.
Exciting and interesting.
Don't the Russians have the Su-35? There's no clear consensus on which is the superior fighter, and I think the US would be just as hesitant to take on Flanker-E aircraft.
Aren't all F35's grounded for undefined period of time because oxygen systems keep failing so pilots don't get enough breathable air?
Don't the Russians have the Su-35? There's no clear consensus on which is the superior fighter, and I think the US would be just as hesitant to take on Flanker-E aircraft.
Escalation is the dumbest move you can do
Bring it on, Putin. We'll shoot down every fucking jet you try and engage us with.
I've said for years now the memorandum is a thinly veiled authorization for Russia and Syria to carry out a bombing campaign on Syrians.
There are no "good" answers here, but allowing an Aleppo to happen just because they check in on comms and follow ROEs...maybe those rules are fucked. You intentionally bomb a city, you get shot down. You intentionally target a UN convoy and kill dozens, you get shot down.
Seems like a good idea after russia plastered s400 all over syria and iran.
Seems like a good idea after russia plastered s400 all over syria and iran.
any info on this anti air?
You think we haven't been mapping the precise location of every one of those? We know where every Russian system is in Syria. You don't engage an SAM head on. You kill it from a distance using precise munitions and TLAMs.
There are other options, but not for this forum. I'll just say the counter-IADS mission is exactly what we train for every day. Those systems wouldn't survive two days in war.
Don't the Russians have the Su-35? There's no clear consensus on which is the superior fighter, and I think the US would be just as hesitant to take on Flanker-E aircraft.
You think we haven't been mapping the precise location of every one of those? We know where every Russian system is in Syria. You don't engage an SAM head on. You kill it from a distance using precise munitions and TLAMs.
There are other options, but not for this forum. I'll just say the counter-IADS mission is exactly what we train for every day. Those systems wouldn't survive two days in war.
I always love to see these "America, FUCK YEAH! We are untouchable!" posts
We aren't going to nukes over Syria.
You think we haven't been mapping the precise location of every one of those? We know where every Russian system is in Syria. You don't engage an SAM head on. You kill it from a distance using precise munitions and TLAMs.
There are other options, but not for this forum. I'll just say the counter-IADS mission is exactly what we train for every day. Those systems wouldn't survive two days in war.
I always love to see these "America, FUCK YEAH! We are untouchable!" posts
There is no reality in which destroying an entire SAM network doesn't result in nuclear war.
You could get away with a single station with the whole well maybe it was rebels/ whoopsie daisy. Otherwise it is an open declaration of war an nukes start flying.
This is not a numbers thing it is their best and prime SAM system and to neutralize it effectively you would pretty much have to destroy most of it.You think the Russians would decide to end the world over a number of SAM stations being destroyed? I doubt it, although I don't think that escalation with Russia is a good idea in any event.
What's a better option? Allow free bombing campaigns and continued massacres? Leaving?
This is not a numbers thing it is their best and prime SAM system and to neutralize it effectively you would pretty much have to destroy most of it.
If they let it fall without doing anythig it would be seen as weakness that Putin can't afford to have with all the ex-KGB brass under him.
There is a reason why they chose that particular system for Syria.
One or two stations maybe, the entire system no chance.
I mean dudes, Israel regularly engages targets in Syria with non-stealth fighters and comes away unscathed. Just because you have a bunch of AA in place doesn't mean you can detect, acquire, track, and guide a missile home before the target has already fired, turned and run out of range. We (as in western militaries) are very good and experienced at this sort of shit, whereas almost none of these systems nor their operators have seen non-simulated action against modern air forces.
Personally I think this is going to de-escalate, the Syrian pilot was rescued and the clashes between US and Russian proxy forces in the area where the incident happened have stopped, they are gonna need to agree in operational areas going forward tho, it's in neither side interest for this to happen again.