The Xbone will most likely sell more unless the general public completely ignores the TV features, regardless of how good the PS4 is.
Maybe in the USA, not globally.
The Xbone will most likely sell more unless the general public completely ignores the TV features, regardless of how good the PS4 is.
Sony not enforcing it is weak IMO and its not saying, hey we are against it just as much as the fans are. They should enforce this otherwise in 2-3 years time all publishers will have DRM, it´s just a matter of time before they fuck us over as all other companies are doing.
I understand the reason many on here want to not have the Xbox One and PS4 utilise any form of DRM, but we have to remember that we aren't the majority. You are talking to people who play video games probably regularly, and have a good understanding of what is happening. The people who don't have this knowledge are the ones purchasing the consoles with no care in the world about what is happening behind the scenes.Honestly everyone I've spoken to in person about it has laughed it off to, I know a lot of guys and girls who play video games, most of them die hard Xbox fans, and so far no one wants it.
Maybe in the USA, not globally.
I can play my Xbox One just fine 99,99% of time. Wouldn't you say it's going "offline competely"?
I understand the reason many on here want to not have the Xbox One and PS4 utilise any form of DRM, but we have to remember that we aren't the majority. You are talking to people who play video games probably regularly, and have a good understanding of what is happening. The people who don't have this knowledge are the ones purchasing the consoles with no care in the world about what is happening behind the scenes.
Don't get me wrong, the movement that GAF has caused is incredible to see, but it only trended for 3 hours or so and the public didn't really bat an eyelid at it. This will be the driving force behind both consoles, because we all know just "gamers" like ourselves will never be able to keep a console alive. Sony and Microsoft need the public, its their life force.
You're right most of the non hardcore wouldn't even be thinking about this. Until they come to trade or sell their game. Then they kick off.
The biggest question for me would be whether they then kick off big time or moan, bend over and carry on?
It may not be up to CDPR. See: Scamco getting its knickers in a knot when CDPR removed SecuROM from the retail version of TW2.
Yep, all of GAF had a good chuckle. Lemme know when GAFFERS alone keep a console alive and a companies net income in the black. Because, like always, they're the driving force of the industry.
Yep, all of GAF had a good chuckle. Lemme know when GAFFERS alone keep a console alive and a companies net income in the black. Because, like always, they're the driving force of the industry.
I'm assuming you're a global expert, has to be a tedious job
In my opinion, Sony/MS/Publishers should make a slow, progressive and customer-friendly approach if they want a share of the used games market. And the foundation of said approach is (or should be) digital games, not DRM.
The industry should focus on making downloadable games a good deal. Make them appealing to gamers. Make the digital game a better CHOICE when compared to the disc version, but don't force people to buy it. The disc game should still be an option, since the world is not ready yet (due to various reasons) to a "digital game only" approach.
In theory, there are many ways that this could be done. They could make the digital game cheaper (and I think that's feasible, considering the lower production cost of the digital format), or make it available a couple of weeks sooner than the disc version. Or even make bundles with DLC or Playstation plus/Xbox live gold.
I know this is a long shot but, in my opinion, it's a possible solution to the used game "problem". At least it's better than DRM.
The Xbone will most likely sell more unless the general public completely ignores the TV features, regardless of how good the PS4 is.
You're right most of the non hardcore wouldn't even be thinking about this. Until they come to trade or sell their game. Then they kick off.
The biggest question for me would be whether they then kick off big time or moan, bend over and carry on?
I think people are jumping into conclusions when it comes to no internet required = no DRM.
Sony games might not have used game DRM, (they already said they wouldn't) but third parties can easily require you to connect to the internet to register the game before you play it for the first time.
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
Don't need to be an expert to see the blindingly obvious.
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
As Bish would say: Fascinating.
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
I don't see anything "blindingly obvious" maybe Blindingly bias both are starting at zero and both have a chance to compete (except japan)
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
This made me curious, can you mention some of the alternatives to Bluray that offers about the same size for storage and is just as cheap to produce? Which alternatives are better? Personally i cant think of any. Not DVD because that offers a lot smaller storage space, and games are just getting bigger and bigger when it comes to the storage size. Digital download only was not a realistic senario for a console back in 2005. Digital download also isnt a physical medium, so its not really comparable in that regards. What a lot of options are available?My PS3 gets way more play time than the Xbox, and that's mostly due to it's amazing bluray experience, but we don't cut them down for pushing that of course... Bluray was only formed to make a better game play experience, right? Has nothing to do with pushing shit onto people to make more money, right? Yeah, just a larger physical storage medium when there's an absolute shit ton of better options out there. But you all accepted it and love Sony for it. OK.
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
I can't believe people are actually saying that DRM is good.
If used games is that bad, then take it up with gamestop and retailers and leave us the fuck alone.
Sure games cost a lot to make (once again not our fault) but that doesn't give them to right to fuck us. Yeah Books and CDs don't cost as much to make, but guess what...THEY AREN'T 60 FUCKING DOLLARS either.
This is why people get called corporate shills around here....you are basically sticking up for them over basic customer rights and unless you are employed by a publisher or are a developer yourself...it makes no sense to me why someone will do that.
i get that they should get some of the profit from used...but we shouldn't be the ones they get it from nor should that mean they get to step on our ability to privately resell.
You cannot put digital rights on physical items
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
You are aware of Sony having the upper hand in europe too, right?
Why would europe switch over with all this negative buzz going around. I don't see it either.
MS has to show a ton of killer exclusives to pull that off imo.
I still don't understand why people are against an always on system.
I turn my PC on and it is immediately connected to the internet. IT IS ALWAYS ON!
I can count the number of times on one hand that my internet connection has gone down this past year.
The games that I play most are always on! (Dota, LOL, Diablo 3, POE, TF2...)
Why would I be concerned with a system that is always on???
Jesus people...get with the future...it is coming!!! OMG!!! Hide your kids!!!
Well, according to Bish, this forum is apparently important enough for social marketers to infiltrate, so who knows!Yep, all of GAF had a good chuckle. Lemme know when GAFFERS alone keep a console alive and a companies net income in the black. Because, like always, they're the driving force of the industry.
Don't forget how multiple publishers already turn multiplayer off for old games. Now with the Xbone they'll finally be able to turn off the single player too.and it's not even about your internet persay...
it's about their servers not being able to handle the load ala Sim City and Diablo.
It's difficult to expect this to be any different..
and thus people don't want it.
We aren't ready for this yet.
Which is why the PS4 allowing them to self-publish is important. They can publish that version themselves and make sure there's no DRM on it (with whatever retail presence they can afford), while the 360 is published by someone else and includes Microsoft's DRM.
Because always online means every game you buy (cough rent cough) for 60 bucks will have an expiration date.
When the servers get shut down - lets say after 8 years - your games collection for an always online/24 online check console get useless. They will stop working.
They walk among us... yet we don't even know.Well, according to Bish, this forum is apparently important enough for social marketers to infiltrate, so who knows!
They obviously think GAF's opinion is worth the effort.
Who actually believes that those TV features are going to drive sales for the new Xbox at launch? Everyone knows the hardcore gamers go out and buy consoles at launch. So what better way to introduce your new console to the world than TV FEATURES!
It makes absolutely no sense to do what they did, and I cannot understand how anyone can defend that decision.
Let's hope all our questions are answered the 10th.
As it stands, I'm considering buying the PS4 though. Xbone doesn't really stand a chance at the moment. Everyone has said it but I'll repeat it: the games will make or break these consoles, imo. All the crappy features of the Xbone could evaporatefor me at leastwith the slightest mention of great gaming titles.
I don't see anything "blindingly obvious" maybe Blindingly bias both are starting at zero and both have a chance to compete (except japan)
I don't know and I hope we never know. What I have been told for months is that they hadn't committed to using this system, they were arguing the merits internally. OMGWTFBBQ, another trusted leaker around here, said he heard that EA signed the exclusivity deal (presumably Mirrors edge 2 and respawn's game + early DLC) because MS would agree to anti-used DRM and Sony was not ready to. Sony saw the reaction that MS got in the aftermath of the xb1 reveal and that was pushing them even more towards dropping their system. Which is why I made the thread... to get people online to tweet directly to people like yoshida to give them a little pat on the back in the right direction.
It does sound confusing and unfriendly, especially if you can't use it on a friends system. I honestly don't understand how it works. But they designed it to be offline from the start because they are a far more worldwide console than MS and have penetration in countries with shitty internet.
It's bias to think that MS will sell more globally. All you have to do it look at the evidence this gen.
PS3 launched later at a higher price, and yet it's equal or surpassed the 360 in sales WW. Now both consoles are launching at the same time, with likely similar pricing. PS4 has the power advantage. XBO TV features are only going to be available in the US for the time being, and they are implementing controversial internet required DRM. All that evidence should lead ANYONE to believe that the PS4 will likely outperform the XBO WW.
Well, according to Bish, this forum is apparently important enough for social marketers to infiltrate, so who knows!
They obviously think GAF's opinion is worth the effort.