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Yeah, no way I'm buying next Xbox on launch after 360's RRoD fiasco. I'll wait for Sony's answer this time around.Opus Angelorum said:All Microsoft have to do is release one year early again.
Yeah, no way I'm buying next Xbox on launch after 360's RRoD fiasco. I'll wait for Sony's answer this time around.Opus Angelorum said:All Microsoft have to do is release one year early again.
Aika'svyse said:So its outsold PS2 in the same time span
Indeed, some people are to quick to judge certain regions as representative of everything or place importance on them. At the end of the day, "other" regions aren't as important as North America, sure, but this is a thread about worldwide sales, not which regions matter.BattleMonkey said:Europe + USA are big markets on their own, but Japan is not the only other market. Lot of territories are constantly forgotten when people think of WW numbers and it adds up to quite a bit.
I think he means in the same period of time from 2006 onwards, not relative since launch.zero_suit said:Nope, not even close.
hirokazu said:I think he means in the same period of time from 2006 onwards, not relative since launch.
Overall, Sony has sold more home consoles than any other console manufacturer through the years . They are probably going by that metric.goomba said:How do Sony get away with the "worlds largest console maker " title when they have sold far less than the Wii ?.
Cipherr said:Would they really care? Considering the positions last gen, I would imagine even if the PS3 passes the 360 WW, MS wont really bat an eye. From duking it out with the GC one gen and barely nabbing 2nd place while the Sony ran away with the gen, to at worst, equaling Sony pretty much this gen.
Im sure the Xbox fanboys will pitch a fit when the PS3 takes second, but I cant imagine MS being very upset with themselves this gen. They fucked up horribly at the start, and still made a game of it.
Rolf NB said:
I think their TVs are pretty neat, not that I follow the TV market much...?guek said:Sony posted another loss? Whoop de doo, Basil.
Sony is one of those companies I just don't really care for any more. I dislike their TVs, their computers, their cameras, and I really dislike the direction they went with the PS3. The PS2 was a great platform on really shitty hardware.
I guess I'd rather they fixed their internal problems and put out superior products though so here's to hoping they bring in some profits soon.
The drop off for Kinect is also evidence for this. I'm still in the 720 in 2012 camp, they have a game (Halo 4) and they probably have hardware cooking.Tylahedras said:MS will not let Sony surpass them WW before they launch the next machine. So at this rate they will have to release the 720 by holiday 2012 to be sure that won't happen. Color me surprised, I had them pegged for 2013, these numbers changed my mind.
[Nintex] said:Sony just keeps losing money and there's no end to the bleeding anytime soon. Samsung is making some serious cash right now if they went ahead and made their own $100 cheaper HD game machine they could be a worthy competitor but Samsung knows that's not where the money is.
Carl said:Considering how many times Mattrick bangs on about how they're going to outsell the PS3 this year or by the end of the gen... yes.
goomba said:How do Sony get away with the "worlds largest console maker " title when they have sold far less than the Wii ?.
Apple would take a completely different strategy though. I don't think they'd care to make a dedicated games machine. Like the iPod touch, iPhone and iPad are said to be eating into the handheld markets without Apple really doing anything. I'd imagine any sort of competition from Apple to come from an Apple TV revamp that allows apps, or their rumoured actual TV.specialguy said:Yeah, I think Microsoft has it easy going against Sony and Nintendo. A Samsung or Apple would crush them...
Yeah, I don't think this is as big a deal as people make it out to be for Microsoft. It's just fun for us to sit and watch given how close they are at the moment. Sony is just at the point now where PS3 may or may not surpass 360 by the end of the generation, but it could go either way.specialguy said:People predicting Xbox Next rushed to 2012 because of this, get real. You think these giant corporations even care which one has nominal "second place"?
It doesn't change anything, what they care about is strategy, profits. If MS wanted to hold second so bad they could just match or exceed Sony's 50 cut. By not doing it they just stack up more profits. Which is more important? On a message board we're all worried about second place bragging rights. In a corporate boardroom they'd rather add up a few more suitcases of cash (as would we, if it was our money).
Further, there are virtually no third party exclusives anymore, and pretty much all third party games are multiplatform now, and that wont change either. Neither is in danger if losing third party support, so it's all a bit irrelevant. Fun to argue over and I do it with the best of em, but dont lose sight of the big picture.
specialguy said:Microsoft messed up by not matching Sony's 50 cut. That's pretty much why they're losing ground right now, the last few quarters they'd held up quite well. I dont understand it, Sony is the one losing money hand over fist and MS is the one being tightwad.
hirokazu said:Samsung doesn't have any experience in consoles as far as I know. I think the barriers of entry to making a successful console are pretty high, unless you have established relations with third parties publishers already. I don't think it's as simple as saying "Look at how profitable Samsung is, they'd totally crush Sony if they were to get into the games business."
Wow, that's news for the day. But Gam Boy? Really?BKK said:Samsung do have plenty of experience in the console market.
Opiate said:But over the last 8 years, no division has lost more money in aggregate than the Gaming division has. Saying "but now they're probably maybe approximately breaking even this year" isn't much consolation when they've already lost so much money and we're about to enter a new generation all over again.
Then there are divisions like film, which have never really been big moneymakers; they typically run profits over the course of a decade, but the margins are incredibly slim and drag down overall margins for a generally tech-driven company. Opportunity cost is high.
Sony has no divisions that one would consider "successful" right now. They have a wide variety of underperforming divisions, which is why the unification and streamlining processes Stringer has undertaken is so important. Sony definitely has the resources to make a unique and very powerful conglomerate; execution will be key.
JonCha said:Halo 4 will be big next year. Will be interesting to see what Sony go against it with.
Paco said:Guessing that Microsoft doesn't seen a strong need to cut since they've owned NPD for the last several months.
Claim victory in units sold, or make more money by foregoing an unnecessary cut since sales are up? I know which one I would chose, as well as any smart business man.
AniHawk said:killzone reach.
OldJadedGamer said:Gamasutra's article states that Sony blamed the loss in the division on cutting the price of the PS3.
killzone came out this year it wont release next year. the best bet is god of war iv.AniHawk said:killzone reach.
hirokazu said:Wow, that's news for the day. But Gam Boy? Really?
Samsung tried twice to create a propietary game shop for mobile / smartphones and failed hard. It doesn't make sense, a console from them would be another Apple Pippin or Panasonic 3DO. They will just continue Android devices.hirokazu said:Samsung doesn't have any experience in consoles as far as I know.
OldJadedGamer said:Gamasutra's article states that Sony blamed the loss in the division on cutting the price of the PS3.
They also had wrong Lifetime figures of PS3, saying PS3 has now shipped 56M when infact it has sold only 55.53M and difference between PS3 & XBOX360 is stil 2.07M instead of just 1.3M..OldJadedGamer said:Gamasutra's article states that Sony blamed the loss in the division on cutting the price of the PS3.
There's absolutely no point. Sony doesn't have a gaming division now, it went from gaming, to gaming plus laptops & PCs to gaming plus laptops, PCs, TVs, cameras (and more).Aad said:
Sales decreased 12.3% year-on-year (a 7% decrease on a local currency basis) to 779.7 billion yen (10,126 million U.S. dollars). Sales to outside customers decreased 12.4% year-on-year. This was primarily due to a decrease in LCD television sales, reflecting price declines due mainly to deterioration in market conditions in the U.S. and Europe and unfavorable foreign exchange rates, lower PC sales reflecting price competition, a decline in sales of the game business, reflecting a strategic price reduction of PlayStation®3 hardware in advance of the year-end holiday season, as well as a decrease in sales of compact digital cameras resulting from lower unit sales due to a slowdown in market growth and unfavorable foreign exchange rates.
Operating loss of 34.6 billion yen (449 million U.S. dollars) was recorded compared to income of 1.0 billion yen in the same quarter of the previous fiscal year. This was primarily due to deterioration in the cost of sales ratio and a decrease in gross profit due to lower sales, partially offset by a decrease in restructuring charges. Categories contributing to the deterioration in operating results (excluding restructuring charges) include LCD televisions, reflecting a decline in unit selling prices that exceeded cost and expense reductions, the game business and PCs, reflecting lower sales as noted above. Operating loss included additional LCD panel related expenses resulting from low capacity utilization of S-LCD as well as the above-noted asset impairment of 8.6 billion yen (112 million U.S. dollars) associated with LCD television assets.
specialguy said:People predicting Xbox Next rushed to 2012 because of this, get real. You think these giant corporations even care which one has nominal "second place"?
It doesn't change anything, what they care about is strategy, profits. If MS wanted to hold second so bad they could just match or exceed Sony's 50 cut. By not doing it they just stack up more profits. Which is more important? On a message board we're all worried about second place bragging rights. In a corporate boardroom they'd rather add up a few more suitcases of cash (as would we, if it was our money).
Further, there are virtually no third party exclusives anymore, and pretty much all third party games are multiplatform now, and that wont change either. Neither is in danger if losing third party support, so it's all a bit irrelevant. Fun to argue over and I do it with the best of em, but dont lose sight of the big picture.
Microsoft never releases software shipment data. Would make it too easy to check on their lofty claims.Shurs said:Any software numbers?
I find this such a double standard. MS executive says they will outsell other consoles = he is wrong, Sony executive says no they will outsell other consoles = must be right, nothing wrong with what he said. I still don't get why people cling on such non-sense.Carl said:Considering how many times Mattrick bangs on about how they're going to outsell the PS3 this year or by the end of the gen... yes.
REMEMBER CITADEL said:Precisely. One being a few million units ahead of the other is completely irrelevant at this point, both first and third parties have already made their strategic decisions for the next generation. Instead, Microsoft chooses to concentrate on generating profits and strengthening their newly found bond with the family audience so that the next time around they have a better shot at capturing all segments of the market much sooner.
They could have hurt Sony in many ways - dropping the price, making Live cheaper or free (instead, subscriptions went up), not pricing Kinect higher than anyone's expectations, investing more money in first and third party exclusives - but they chose not to since staying ahead has not been their priority for quite a while.
REMEMBER CITADEL said:Precisely. One being a few million units ahead of the other is completely irrelevant at this point, both first and third parties have already made their strategic decisions for the next generation. Instead, Microsoft chooses to concentrate on generating profits and strengthening their newly found bond with the family audience so that the next time around they have a better shot at capturing all segments of the market much sooner.
They could have hurt Sony in many ways - dropping the price, making Live cheaper or free (instead, subscriptions went up), not pricing Kinect higher than anyone's expectations, investing more money in first and third party exclusives - but they chose not to since staying ahead has not been their priority for quite a while.
NemesisPrime said:QFT
TBH this is a classic MS strategy and it is a bit weird that Sony fell for it, basically bleeding themselves dry trying to outsell the 360. You would almost start to think that their pride is causing them to implode. How many years of loss is that now for Sony? 4-5?
I think most of their strategy was to make more people buy the PS3, not necessarily just trying to outsell the Xbox 360.NemesisPrime said:QFT
TBH this is a classic MS strategy and it is a bit weird that Sony fell for it, basically bleeding themselves dry trying to outsell the 360. You would almost start to think that their pride is causing them to implode. How many years of loss is that now for Sony? 4-5?
They cut the price to meet the FY 15 million forecast. Not for any other reasons. Also, the loss is due to other things.NemesisPrime said:QFT
TBH this is a classic MS strategy and it is a bit weird that Sony fell for it, basically bleeding themselves dry trying to outsell the 360. You would almost start to think that their pride is causing them to implode. How many years of loss is that now for Sony? 4-5?
Massa said:Microsoft used to make it a big point at E3 about how they would definitely end ahead of the PS3 in worldwide sales this generation. They have dropped that talk in the last couple of years though.
specialguy said:People predicting Xbox Next rushed to 2012 because of this, get real. You think these giant corporations even care which one has nominal "second place"?
It doesn't change anything, what they care about is strategy, profits. If MS wanted to hold second so bad they could just match or exceed Sony's 50 cut. By not doing it they just stack up more profits. Which is more important? On a message board we're all worried about second place bragging rights. In a corporate boardroom they'd rather add up a few more suitcases of cash (as would we, if it was our money).
Further, there are virtually no third party exclusives anymore, and pretty much all third party games are multiplatform now, and that wont change either. Neither is in danger if losing third party support, so it's all a bit irrelevant. Fun to argue over and I do it with the best of em, but dont lose sight of the big picture.
Tylahedras said:MS will not let Sony surpass them WW before they launch the next machine. So at this rate they will have to release the 720 by holiday 2012 to be sure that won't happen. Color me surprised, I had them pegged for 2013, these numbers changed my mind.