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Starfield May Update - Adds 40/60 hz Options for Series X and More QoL Updates (May 15)
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Punished Miku
Member
The way I think of it is like the movie Interstellar. You aren't outside of your ship wandering around for hours. You don't really have oxygen for that long, and on many of the planets you would die from radiation or extreme temperatures. I actually think one of the main issues is that you can wander for too long. If you land on a planet with hostile environment you really shouldn't be able to be out there for more than 5-10 min without starting to construct a habitat or adapt in some other way through gear modifications.
There's no doubt they need more variety in the randomly generated locations though. And I'd also like a lot more topography. Mars is supposed to have mountains that are way bigger than earth. I wanted to see more giant land mass features, canyons, mountains, etc. More variety there, even if it's just making the ground look different.
ManaByte
Gold Member
The DLSS update was like the first or second one they did on the PC. Last year.
Topher
Gold Member
Nah, the only tax is the "stupidity tax". Journalists should not be advocating game developers shirking their commitments especially when they have already been paid.
They made the same article 3 years ago on Cyberpunk
If CD Projekt had listened to them, we would never have gotten Phantom Liberty or patch 2.0
Yeah, good example.
JackMcGunns
Member
What the hell happened to PC gamer? When did they become such clickbait loving turd hoppers? I'm not going to link to their latest shitcan article because it isn't worth reading, but the title is.....
Bethesda should just say 'screw it', move on from Starfield, and put all that energy into Fallout
Fuck you PC gamer
Exactly! One of the most promising updates that really ticks all the boxes of what fans have been waiting for, and they're like NO PLEASE STOP! Don't make it good LMAO.
Punished Miku
Member
Nah, I personally think there's some massive grudge between Bethesda and journalists, and I think it might be part of why Pete Hines got fired. They blacklisted Kotaku like a decade ago. Then they cut all advance reviews years ago, dropping DOOM reviews on release day. I think they genuinely hate each other, and you can see it in how many sites go out of their way to write insane headlines.
Fredrik
Member
Todd actually said exactly that, that it’s different from their other games, given the scale.
3 minutes in here
They called it Skyrim in space at one time though. Bad idea, it’s nothing like Skyrim. It’s more like a compressed No Man’s Sky with roleplaying and better combat and ship building.
Kiya's Guard
Member
"30fps was an artistic decision"
Topher
Gold Member
Perhaps, but this one looks more like common variety clickbait to me. PC Gamer used to be above this shit. I used to subscribe to their magazine years ago......back when there were real journalists in the industry. I get your point about Bethesda's beef with the media though.
gothmog
Gold Member
I imagine it's a two way street because there's new journalists joining the business daily. It's not like the get a memo about hating Bethesda when they start writing their first article.
I actually suspect it's more about lack of respect and accountability on both ends.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They made the same article 3 years ago on Cyberpunk
PC Gamer is what we would call a straight-busta.
On-topic. With this SF update coming out, I hope Bethesda don't forget about fixing the Quality Mode toggle with *that* update on the Xbox.
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JackMcGunns
Member
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It will definitely be a much better game than it was at launch once it gets its PS5 release.
kikii
Member
come on game looks like ps360 gen and 1k+ handcrafted planets ? yah all empty and if there is smt its copypasted enemy bases .... posted below before
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
vaibhavpisal
Member
Nice!!!come on game looks like ps360 gen and 1k+ handcrafted planets ? yah all empty and if there is smt its copypasted enemy bases .... posted below before
I will leave you to your dreamland.
LordCBH
Member
come on game looks like ps360 gen and 1k+ handcrafted planets ? yah all empty and if there is smt its copypasted enemy bases .... posted below before
Wot? Graphically I don’t think Starfield is that impressive, but PS360? What? You crazy.
BigLee74
Member
I don’t want to appear as a Starfield defender, you like it or you dont - simple as.come on game looks like ps360 gen and 1k+ handcrafted planets ? yah all empty and if there is smt its copypasted enemy bases .... posted below before
But you can easily tell who hasn’t played it, and doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
In todays ‘tales from kikiis backside’, we are introduced to the notion of 1000 hand crafted planets, and xbox 360 graphics. Lovely!
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I’m going to stop playing and just go full new game when the patch comes.
2 weeks later:
2 weeks later:
Fredrik
Member
I understand that but I think it would be difficult to do a focused short demo, there are so many different gameplay loops and it starts so slow.
But have you played No Man’s Sky?
I think if you like that you’ll find things to like in Starfield as well, there are very very similar gameplay loops in there.
Then there is really cool combat and a good ship builder too and Bethesda style roleplaying and interactions on top of that. It does a lot of things, some badly but some very well.
I just hope they learn from Hello Games and keep on building on it.
Once they get the vehicle(s) right I want more enemy types, more size differences, mini bosses outside of faction quests, mechs, hordes of smaller alien creatures. And procedural generated enemy outposts, with a universe this big you can’t hand craft them, there is no way you can make enough of them.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I’m going to stop playing and just go full new game when the patch comes.
2 weeks later:
What else are you gonna do with that 600 hours? Spend with your family? Pshhh
Hero of Spielberg
Member
It benefits some people if they don’t improve it. Would take away something for them to shitpost about
Shake Your Rump
Member
Probably ported the code from the PS5 version.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Don’t remind me.
Chukhopops
Member
Some preliminary testing of the update was done on that Reddit thread.
Looks like a really solid list of changes with the difficulty modifiers and survival mode.
Looks like a really solid list of changes with the difficulty modifiers and survival mode.
Fredrik
Member
That video is worth posting directly here, lots of details here
Finally a reason to learn cooking, maybe it’s time to start over and play as Master Chef
Sculpting your own internals on the ship is a great addition, putting all the work benches in the same room is a brilliant idea to get the ships smaller. Can see myself sink lots of hours into this!
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Maps look pretty cool. Looks like very fleshed out.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
In my experience and opinion they are dog shit as much as 30 fps ... less... but dog shit anyway ... it is a fine way for people to cope to not having to compromise IQ for 60 fps .... but is in no way shape or form a viable substitute for 60 fps.
Its a marginal better option than 30 fps and thats it. The rest is mental gymnastics.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It ticks a lot of boxes, but removing all these loading time breaks and adding more things to do / improve exploration of each of the “bubbles” you explore would be the real boxes to tick. With that said 40 FPS mode on XSX and any CPU optimisations are very appreciated especially for Steam Deck players.
Wolfpact1983
Member
come on game looks like ps360 gen and 1k+ handcrafted planets ? yah all empty and if there is smt its copypasted enemy bases .... posted below before
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's not mental gymnastics lol. The frame time for evenly divided 40hz falls squarely in the middle of 30 and 60hz, it's a hell of a lot smoother than 30 fps on a purely technical level, personal opinions notwithstanding.
Not sure what game's 40hz mode you've tried. Was it TLoU Part 1? The 40hz mode there was bad, they actually patched it out of the game after launch cause the game wasn't able to maintain it.
Here is a better example:
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kikii
Member
no matter how u spin it game looks solid on high-end juicy pc but otherwise it looks bad and loads slower than gafI don’t want to appear as a Starfield defender, you like it or you dont - simple as.
But you can easily tell who hasn’t played it, and doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
In todays ‘tales from kikiis backside’, we are introduced to the notion of 1000 hand crafted planets, and xbox 360 graphics. Lovely!
BigLee74
Member
I need to play your magical PC version with its 1000 hand crafted planets.no matter how u spin it game looks solid on high-end juicy pc but otherwise it looks bad and loads slower than gaf
playsaves3
Member
Ratchet has unlocked framerate mode which is more exciting than the 40fps mode (actually really excited to see how high the pro gets in that mode I think it will be more than 60 cause of the rt improvements)
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Starfield will also have an unlocked FPS which should go beyond 40 in the Quality mode in theory. But the point I was trying to make is that a locked 40 is a big improvement in responsiveness and smoothness over a locked 30, even if 30 is paired with some really good motion blur.
no matter how u spin it game looks solid on high-end juicy pc but otherwise it looks bad and loads slower than gaf
If you think the visual drop off between ‘High’ and ‘medium’ settings is that severe, I suspect you’re not that familiar with gaming
playsaves3
Member
I’m aware of this
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Tried spider man , ratchet, horizon forbidden west ... as I said it is marginally better than 30 fps ... a lot worse than 60 fps.. to my eyes is not a proper substitute or "balanced/best of two worlds" in any way .. is dog shit just as 30 fps ... is another option for those who can withstand slow fps .... but anytime someone tries to cope and push this as some ultimate solution I just roll my eyes and carry on .. its just absurd
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't know what to tell you, my experience with 40hz modes has been completely the opposite of yours. They're my go-to if a game allows it. The fidelity and higher resolutions of Quality modes with performance and smoothness much higher than 30.
Topher
Gold Member
Correct. Which means they changed their mind.
Connxtion
Member
Here here
40FPS mode remove the judder effect you get on OLEDS at 30FPS
while making it feel slightly more responsive and quicker to the eyes.It’s not 60FPS, but it’s far better than 30FPS by a large margin.
Granted av only used 40FPS on Avatar, but it makes a huge difference when panning the camera and due to the higher res it helps with the FSR2 reconstruction blocking artefacts on trees and foliage when in front of direct sunlight. (XBSX)
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StereoVsn
Member
I really hope the Expansion does some actual design overhaul, especially with exploration and random placement generation.
I have 0 hope of Bethesda improving the bland characters.