How do they measure this, especially for the big games that have all kinds of DLC and some very differently priced versions on top of not revealing their sales numbers? Just check SteamSpy and average it out or what? Seems like we need an "according to x" disclaimer added to the thread title tbh.
I love how GamePass is now effectively being argued as a reduction in revenue, something we all knew from the get go.
You're basically making an argument to get rid of GamePass and go multiplatform. And so on.
Yeah, because we don't know that the majority of revenue comes within the first 3 months post launch, especially for a title like RE4.
Not played Immortals yet.
But Forspoken is 100% one of best 2023 games. It it infinitely better in every aspect compared to starfield.
It actually plays good and is enjoyable.
it's a huge shame people buy this shite and not pay any attention to games more worthy of it
and how do you not realize how shit starfield is compared to forspoken?How do you not realize how ridiculous you sound all the time. You liked Forspoken despite most people not liking it, yet you are saying nobody should like Starfield because you didn’t like it. Just a long line in absurd positions to take.
and how do you not realize how shit starfield is compared to forspoken?
I think that in no word starfield is a better game than forspoken.
Just because you think forpsoken is bad and I praise the game, it doesn't make it so I cannot critique any other game, because I like a game that is in your opinion "bad". And even if, I can still think other game is bad. what does it matter.
People complain about boring empty fields in both of these games but in forspoken you get actiivities, events, fantastic combat and traversal. The terrain is not as boring and bland.
Your loss. Miss out on a good game and continue riding the bandwagon.
The fact that many people played starfield does not make it good.
The fact that nobody played forspoken does not make it bad.
and you know it. Forspoken got bad meme treatment and bandwagon. All there is to it. Starfield got crazy hype and it was supposed to be skyrim in space.
Starfield is expected to be a buggy mess so everyone turned a blind eye but it was also incredibly boring nonsense this time around. I loved morrowind, oblivion and fallout games but starfield is awful. Trully a bad game.
Yes. Some reviewers also bandwagon and have populist influenced ideas. Of course.so all the reviewers are wrong about forspoken and it’s actually good, but all the reviewers were right about starfield and nobody should buy it (your words). It’s just funny to see the guy who loves forspoken and dark souls 2 question why anyone would buy a game that didn’t get glowing reviews.
Yes. Some reviewers also bandwagon and have populist influenced ideas. Of course.
And ds2 is fantastic. You should try it and develop your own taste for games
Allow me to present you with some data that will sway you towards agreeing with him:
Well in that case Starfield is what you say Forspoken is. The people have spoken.
i did and it stinks
Fine, but I think that definition applies to a lot of companies over there, like Valve if I'm not mistaken?The term "indie" simply means not-owned or funded by someone else.
Fine, but I think that definition applies to a lot of companies over there, like Valve if I'm not mistaken?
Yeah but about 300 of those positive Forspoken reviews are rofif. And yes I know you have to buy the game to post a reviewAllow me to present you with some data that will sway you towards agreeing with him:
Who the hell buys starfield on steam with cheapass gampass.
Who the hell buys starfield at all
Look at all those dumbass PC players buying Starfield at full price
The data is an estimate from VGC. Basically made up
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The top 3, Baldur's Gate III, Hogwarts Legacy, and Starfield in particular are quite impressive. An indie game, a new videogame IP in a "fledgling" franchise, and a new IP altogether. Doubly impressive for Starfield considering it's a day one Game Pass title.
Also Lethal Company was made by one person. Absolutely insane numbers there.
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I still think Sons of the Forest is the bigger surprise to me.
Starfield had every opportunity to build off the foundation of Elder's Scrolls as this was heavily marketed as the Elder's Scrolls in space.
I love how GamePass is now effectively being argued as a reduction in revenue, something we all knew from the get go.
You're basically making an argument to get rid of GamePass and go multiplatform. And so on.
I think the whole industry is about a decade away from nothing being locked to a specific hardware. But I also think we’re less than a decade away from games being locked down to subscriptions.And yes, Microsoft should go full on multiplatform, they are a software company first and foremost. Software is where the money is anyway. Software sales and subscriptions.
The Gamepass version is mod compatible?Who the hell buys starfield on steam with cheapass gampass.
Who the hell buys starfield at all
I don’t know. Gp games are normal apps. Not the uwx crap anymore right ?The Gamepass version is mod compatible?
The Gamepass version is mod compatible?
I don’t know. Gp games are normal apps. Not the uwx crap anymore right ?
That makes some sense why people bought steam version.Only basic mods work. Anything that involves a script extender doesn't work.
That's why if you want the game on PC it's best to just buy it via steam.
Yeah $650 dollars for Baldur's Gate 3 means it would have outsold every Sony First Party game accept Spider-Man.The data is an estimate from VGC. Basically made up
This game was always a Steam release for lots and lots of Bethesda fans, surprised you didn’t know this. There are mods for the Gamepass version too, modders always finds a way, but you have to go through extra hoops. It’s about not allowing full unrestricted file access to source files iirc. Plus, regarding sales, it’s not like everyone on PC subscribe to Gamepass.That makes some sense why people bought steam version.
These numbers are made up. They don’t get data from Steam. Their RE4 number is way off when looking at official Capcom numbers.Yeah $650 dollars for Baldur's Gate 3 means it would have outsold every Sony First Party game accept Spider-Man.
Maybe it could of? The 70 dollar price tag has substantially increased revenues. Would have had to have sold 10 million units at 70 dollars.
Even if the numbers are correct it's revenue not sales and it's been on sale many times and the way this is calculated doesn't distinguish between actual steam sales and registered keys from legit and grey market sites.Hogwarts Legacy sold over 22 million copies, Warner Bros. exec brags it's 'the best-selling game of the year in the entire industry worldwide'
Yer a cash cow 'Arry.www.pcgamer.com
Hogwarts Legacy sold 22 million copies but according to these charts, it sold around 5 million copies on Steam. So the remaining 17 million units are from consoles?
Even if the numbers are correct it's revenue not sales and it's been on sale many times and the way this is calculated doesn't distinguish between actual steam sales and registered keys from legit and grey market sites.
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Not that surprising when you consider The forest was one of the best survival games and it sold a lot and Sons of the forest was steams most wishlisted game. Also the forest had a great story and people wanted to see where the story goes from thereYep. I still think Sons of the Forest is the bigger surprise to me. Maybe I missed the hype wave and discussions.
The only game I purchased on that list was Armored Core. Super happy for its' success.
32% of 4 platforms doesn't seem terrible. We really need to move on from down playing pc sales, it's getting old. We had Sony crying about cod and it only accounts for 16% of cod market share, with your attitude that would make it what, not important to the publisher and maybe they should just focus on mobile?I know it's a rough estimate but going by the link you've posted, the average price is $49.15. So that's 7 million units from the 22 million, which is only 32% of the console sales.
That's talking about CoD in general, not the mainline CoD. It's the free-to-play versions included. Players != sales.32% of 4 platforms doesn't seem terrible. We really need to move on from down playing pc sales, it's getting old. We had Sony crying about cod and it only accounts for 16% of cod market share, with your attitude that would make it what, not important to the publisher and maybe they should just focus on mobile?
Key takeaways from Bobby Kotick’s deposition: Removing Call of Duty from PS “would cause reputational damage” | Game World Observer
Deposition of Bobby Kotick, CEO of Activsion Blizzard, was one of the highlights of day four of the FTC. v. Microsoft hearing. Here is what he had to say about Call of Duty and its absence on Switch, as well as his stance on Game Pass and subscription services in general.gameworldobserver.com
"Speaking of the share of each platform for CoD, Kotick said “the bulk of players are playing on phones,” followed by PC (25%), PlayStation (15-16%), and Xbox (7-8%)."
It's admirable you ignored BG3 revenue though.