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Substance Engine benchmark implies PS4 CPU is faster than Xbox One's
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Based on this graph? This would make me laugh.
Why? We don't even know which generation of i7 it is or its frequency. Ivy Bridge is roughly 2x IPC performance of Jaguar per core:
GameAddict411
Member
Richard Leadbetter never made an article after the next gen console launch because of the huge difference between the games. he always downplayed the PS4 advantages, but it came back and bit him in the ass lol.
Such as? All the launch games for both platforms were underwhelming, and Sony's first party is undeniably stronger than MS's. With 343i at the helm of Halo, I feel it's relevance will just continue to get smaller and smaller
Isn't this just a case where the Xbox One is simply using less CPU for these kinds of tasks due to the way in which the Xbox One's resources are partitioned and reserved between 3 operating systems to allow the kind of multi-tasking that the system does even while a full fledged game is running, not to mention the Kinect reservation that's likely always there whether you have it plugged in or not?
Isn't that all that's happening here? Both systems are, afterall, running more or less the same CPU, unless of course the PS4 CPU is clocked higher than we all thought, in which case, the way the Xbox One's resources are partitioned probably matters a lot less in that scenario if we're simply dealing with a PS4 CPU that's just clocked higher than the Xbox One's, but somehow I have a feeling this is a similar deal as those browser benchmarks that were ran before.
The PS4 CPU has more performance available for games, the reason why the XB1 is performing worse doesn't really matter does it?
WeAreStarStuff
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You should prob. read what I was quoting before trying to refute my point....
IAmRandom31
Banned
So DF making an article that the X1 CPU is a big advantage over the PS4 CPU ( without knowing the PS4's actual CPU specs mind you ) was A-OK in your book. But them revoking the article once ACTUAL EVIDENCE to the contrary is showcased would make you laugh?
I love the console industry.
ArchedThunder
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fastford58
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Not yet...
Why? We don't even know which generation of i7 it is or its frequency. Ivy Bridge is roughly 2x IPC performance of Jaguar per core:
Well, again we have a graph which includes tests with many variables. PCMark? 7-Zip benchmark? What does it test exactly? Perhaps io-bound? Not a good example, in my opinion.
lol
What?
TheJollyCorner
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DerZuhälter;94277137 said:
haha wow
This got me. lol
jimbobsmells
Member
Not sure if serious?
EnVy_CaLiBeR
Member
Maybe he's saying that the Xbone has already maxed its CPU potential while the PS4 still has potential to get more out of it. However, the PS4's CPU potential still won't close that 10% gap that Penello spoke of. You all could be misinterpreting.
=P
SenjutsuSage
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Good point when you say it like that. The reason shouldn't matter in this case.
UnObtainium17
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But dat secret sauce tho?
Third party developer working on PS4/XB1.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. They probably decreased the percentage for this case since it is specific and known, other vms have to be generalized. But it definitely sounds like they really needed that up clock.
lol
Have you ever or plan to work on either console being a dev yourself?
GameAddict411
Member
I think the XO is quite different.
Well done Freeman lol.
Yeah, most probably. Just because they are talking about virtualization doesn't tell us what they mean exactly with it and how it's implemented.
SirVilhelm
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What 343 did to Halo makes me sad...
I enjoyed it myself. I wasn't on the forums when it came out, I had no idea so many people disliked the game.
JordanN
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I hate these types of posts since I don't see any developer whining about it.
Especially considering the leaked roadmap made such a big deal out of it. I think either it was half baked and not ready for primetime (though that doesn't usually stop MS) or it's another case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing (which also doesn't usually stop MS). Perhaps E3 will have some new functionality/service announcements?
ArchedThunder
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Being a MASSIVE Halo fan I absolutely hate everything they did. Art, gameplay, story, they fucked everything up. Oh well, Destiny comes out next year and had Halo 4 been good I would have had to put up with the Xbone to play Halo 5.
SirVilhelm
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I don't see developers whining about anything at the moment so lets close down the whole thread
Saint Francis
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can anyone remind me the name of the website where that guy writes in poorly written english (it's not his native language) about XO's real superiority in a cryptic, conspiratorial tone.
It's always a fascinating read.
(peripherally on topic, since I'm curious how he'd possibly spin this new finding)
It's always a fascinating read.
(peripherally on topic, since I'm curious how he'd possibly spin this new finding)
Missing or buggy features are most likely due to the "oh shit, we are behind on lots of stuff, lets order everything by importance and cut everything below what our estimates show we can handle".
jim-jam bongs
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This is the funniest thing ever created involving Big Bang Theory. And it's actually not really very funny.
McHuj
Member
yes.
If it's compiler/tools related it can be improved. If it's due to the hypervisor/vm setup, then maybe it can be improved. If it's purely due to a clock difference between the two, then the performance can't be improved.
They aren't. They are on par with dual-core Ivy Bridge @ 2.4GHz, which happens to be above the average PC/notebook CPU sold this year. Never mind older PCs that are still in active use.
Saint Francis
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YES!!! Thank you. It seems he is kinda walking SOME of his theories back post launch.
Always a fun, weird, effed-up place to spend a few minutes.
I seem to remember that earlier in the summer, we had MS officials saying that they had "bumped up" the X1s clock speed. This was curious because no official word had been given as to what the X1s clock speed was in the first place. So what was there to "bump"? I also remember various fanboys saying, "that's nothing!" And opposing fanboys saying,"X1s CPU smokes PS4s CPU! Secret sauce yadda yadda yadda!" So if the small difference was pretty meaningless then, I believe this small difference is pretty meaningless now. It's just funny that all these spec sheets that were made, by people that supposedly know stuff, are all wrong now as they list the PS4 at 1.6 and that was never the case. What a goofy hobby we have!
Mobile CPUs are going to break Moore's Law or something, what are you getting at?
misterxmedia. He hasn't spoken on it himself but someone tried to bring it up in the last page of the comments for the latest post and it was shot down quickly as fake. No reason cited other than "people love to bash Xbox". Delusion land, I almost feel sorry for how they all gather and refuse to look at the facts right in front of them, instead choosing to believe in some hidden power that MS doesn't want to talk about. Even if there was something hidden it's still resulting in worse multiplat games so why even hang your hat on it. Sad really.
You're usually a little better than this.
BruiserBear
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Fun fact for both of you. Developers are bound by NDA's, which means you almost never hear them whine about either console. At best you get fluffy comments about how both are great, and "pretty similar", etc. In other words, putting a lot of weight into developer comments is pretty silly. They're all towing the line they are legally bound by.
Only on a rare occasion do you get genuine honesty out of them, usually when someone fucks up.
justsomeguy
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Jesus H. Christ. Xbox division YOU HAD ONE JOB.
Still glad I got my xbo - love Kinect, Kinect fitness, and the Xbox exclusives (launch and planned) - but I'm in the lucky situation of being able to afford a PS4 whenever I feel like grabbing one (and whenever they are in the shops) so don't feel I am missing out.
If I had to pick just one for your average gamer who doesn't care for exclusives (which I do, as my relative can only afford one and wants some advice) then how can it even be a contest?
To go from the absolutely wonderful 360 to this defies belief.
SMH, as the cool kids say.
Still glad I got my xbo - love Kinect, Kinect fitness, and the Xbox exclusives (launch and planned) - but I'm in the lucky situation of being able to afford a PS4 whenever I feel like grabbing one (and whenever they are in the shops
) so don't feel I am missing out.If I had to pick just one for your average gamer who doesn't care for exclusives (which I do, as my relative can only afford one and wants some advice) then how can it even be a contest?
To go from the absolutely wonderful 360 to this defies belief.
SMH, as the cool kids say.
Yeah like Nintendo *explodes with laughter*
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