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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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Tom Nook Sawyer
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Thanks, forgot the process wasn't automated
Benzychenz
Member
I just popped in Brawl and went into training mode to test the tether.
God damn it's tiny to the point it's useless, awesome change!
God damn it's tiny to the point it's useless, awesome change!
DisconnectD
Member
Yeah, they're so bad in brawl, I never bothered using them. Anyone else think Ivysaur could still be in considering ZSS and tether buffs? It could just receive a new up B.
Me too, I never bothered with them since Up-B was usually a better choice for recovery, but now I might try tethering more since it looks like it might be easier.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
I don't think the display of a feature hints at any character returning, but could potentially be a hint at any newcomers. The first idea that comes to mind for me is Simon Belmont, but I highly doubt he'd be a 3rd party rep.
Anybody else have any ideas?
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
I always use Sheik's tether to recover in Brawl. I hope she still has it, despite having a new special attack.
DisconnectD
Member
The villager could always have a fishing rod tether.
Greninja could use his tongue
I wonder if sheik will have her chain tether?
Pacman could chomp on pellets and the pellets could be the tether LOL prolly not
Benzychenz
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GuessMyUserName
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Today's PotD is made for me (Link main forever).
Started playing Project M with my brother lately and I'm always using hookshot, absolutely love directional L-dodging and quickly following it up with hookshoting the ledge to recover, so nice... of course Smash 4's not going to be the same as that, but I'm excited nonetheless.
Started playing Project M with my brother lately and I'm always using hookshot, absolutely love directional L-dodging and quickly following it up with hookshoting the ledge to recover, so nice... of course Smash 4's not going to be the same as that, but I'm excited nonetheless.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Oh hey, the The Smash Brothers: Armada was fully funded. Huzzah!
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
That reminds me, I suppose Bayonetta could also have a tether as well.
But what about first party Nintendo characters?
Yoshi ? I don't think he had one in brawl but it would work, I guess.
Benzychenz
Member
Yes, like I said. Wonder Red.
I'm going to have nightmares imagining Yoshi's tongue as long as the tethers in todays pic.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Just because a game is exclusive to a Nintendo platform doesn't make its characters Nintendo property. Take Bayonetta, for example. Bayonetta 2 is exclusive, but not Nintendo's character. Or Jack from MadWorld. Or Leon when RE4 was exclusive to the Gameboy.
I know that Nintendo published the game, but they also published Banjo-Kazooie and don't own those characters.
Unless I've got my info wrong and Wonderful 101 is a special case, wouldn't it be the same here? Does Nintendo own the characters of Wonderful 101?
I think Wonderful 101 is Nintendo IP, Nintendo of America own the trademark for the name so i think its safe to assume they also have the copyright on the characters.
Benzychenz
Member
It's... not exactly a special case.
Let's see what else Nintendo owns that was developed by third parties...
Pokemon
Sin and Punishment
Eternal Darkness
Custom Robo
Chibi-Robo
Golden Sun
Endless Ocean
The Last Story
Pandora's Tower
Dillon's Rolling Western
And that isn't a comprehensive list.
and don't yell at me if any of those were fully first party ;_;
It was a good thing Capcom came to their senses and realised a GameBoy game in 2005 is a bit barmy and moved development to the GameCube.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Excellent update. 
You might got something there but at same time, we might get few more newcomers with tether so I'm curious which character would be more likely to use tether?
Also Sheik lost her chain special move, so I don't think she would do tether again.
Yes, we did, but not completely. In trailer, he would had zero suit samus in whirlpool attack then toss her up in the air.
Advice: Press Shield then Z button (Shield + Attack) quickly
You might got something there but at same time, we might get few more newcomers with tether so I'm curious which character would be more likely to use tether?
Also Sheik lost her chain special move, so I don't think she would do tether again.
Yes, we did, but not completely. In trailer, he would had zero suit samus in whirlpool attack then toss her up in the air.
Advice: Press Shield then Z button (Shield + Attack) quickly
BassForever
Member
Seems weird they would change this after going out of there way to retool everyone who only had a tether as an up b recovery. The only Brawl vet left who could only recover with tether left is Ivysaur who most people assume is gone.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Lucas and Ivysaur; so I have a feeling that we are getting very few newcomers that could use tether. Shiek's Side B used to allowed her to tether to the ledge, but now she lost that move, and Olimar lost his tether ability as well.
Edited: Villager would able to use his fishing rod as tether ability would be cool.
Edited2: I saw it at smashboard, and I thought it was somewhat hilarious.
Edited3: Did we see Toon Link with Hookshot yet?
BassForever
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Lucas and Ivysaur; so I have a feeling that we are getting very few newcomers that could use tether. Shiek's Side B would allowed her to tether to the ledge, but now she lost that move so I'm curious about it.
Edited: Villager would able to use his fishing rod as tether ability would be cool.
Edited2: I saw it at smashboard, and I thought it was somewhat hilarious.
I said characters who ONLY had a tether recovery which was Ivysaur and Olimar (and ZSS to a lesser extent as her down b could slightly help with recovery). In the smash direct Sakurai went out of his way to show that Olimar and ZSS had their recoveries change to primarily not be tethers due to how easy they were to gimp in Brawl. If they changed the mechanics of tethers to make them actually viable why bother giving Olimar and ZSS new recoveries?
I guess from the image they're trying to make Link and Samus's tethers have a bit more horizontal range to make them a viable alternative to their up b depending on how far they got smashed which makes sense and seems like a nice buff for them. I also can't think of many times you'd want to use Lucas tether opposed to his side b as in brawl his up b went farther iirc
I want to take this opportunity to complain about Brawl style tethers again.
Just one more case of Melee having it right, and Sakurai sticking with some of the bad ideas he implemented to 'fix' it.
Just one more case of Melee having it right, and Sakurai sticking with some of the bad ideas he implemented to 'fix' it.
Ok, ok, so it isn't actually that big a deal. Still just rubs me the wrong way. I'll wait and see how it is in this though, with new ledge rules or whatnot.
BassForever
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I don't think I ever used a tether recovery in Melee, the few times I tried I could have just as easily used an up b to recover
For Samus, it's more about having a quick horizontal option that's harder to intercept. She can already recover huge horizontal distance with her slow fall and bomb jumping.
Link though REALLY needed this.
It's very useful with Samus against edge-guarding.
Sakurai will find a way. Bottom tier guaranteed
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I recalled that people were waiting for any evidence of boomerang in the game. I'm not sure if anyone pointed it out yet?
My bad. I should have read carefully but I didn't. MaybeI shouldn't post when I was sleepy from the morning.
Since Olimar's pikmins are going to be limited to 3, so the teether recovery would be even more shorter which isn't good for Olimar so they need to give him better recovery to trade it off with limitation of pikmins.
For Zero Suit Samus, I'm pretty sure that she would keep her Side-B Tether recovery. I can't blame him for taking that move out because Side B can be flawed because sometime it wouldn't connected for no apparent reason.
I think Sakurai and the team probably trying to tone down with a huge horizontal and vertical recoveries to make it harder for characters to come back to the stage. Super Smash Bros Brawl engines made it ridiculously easy for most of characters to come back, so I really can see that they are going to tone it down heavily.
I'm pretty sure that Lucas' recovery was decent in Brawl, depend on the players. Lucas' tether recovery is insane good in Project M. I have couple of friends that kept coming back with Lucas because of the snake.
Is Side B in Brawl as PK Fire right? I don't really see how it helped Lucas with recovery?
My bad. I should have read carefully but I didn't. MaybeI shouldn't post when I was sleepy from the morning.
Since Olimar's pikmins are going to be limited to 3, so the teether recovery would be even more shorter which isn't good for Olimar so they need to give him better recovery to trade it off with limitation of pikmins.
For Zero Suit Samus, I'm pretty sure that she would keep her Side-B Tether recovery. I can't blame him for taking that move out because Side B can be flawed because sometime it wouldn't connected for no apparent reason.
I think Sakurai and the team probably trying to tone down with a huge horizontal and vertical recoveries to make it harder for characters to come back to the stage. Super Smash Bros Brawl engines made it ridiculously easy for most of characters to come back, so I really can see that they are going to tone it down heavily.
I'm pretty sure that Lucas' recovery was decent in Brawl, depend on the players. Lucas' tether recovery is insane good in Project M. I have couple of friends that kept coming back with Lucas because of the snake.
Is Side B in Brawl as PK Fire right? I don't really see how it helped Lucas with recovery?
BassForever
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Derp I dunno why I said side b meant up b pk thunder -.-
Lucas's up-B seems like a hassle, although it's still nowhere near as Godawful as Ness's.
I feel sorry for Ness players trying to recover against shit like Falco.
I feel sorry for Ness players trying to recover against shit like Falco.
Well, Link's two main weaknesses are bad recovery and attack lag. If his recovery is decent and he's still bottom-tier, he'll be slow as Bowser.
Benzychenz
Member
Guys is this legit???
I haven't played in a long time, so probably not remembering accurately, but Lucas' PK fire when performed for the first time in the air pushed Lcas far back to the opposite direction he fired it.
It was either that, or a exploit that managed to make you Push Lucas with his PK Fire.
Ridley is too small. Fake.
Brainfreeze
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Ice climber mode confirmed.
BassForever
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Didn't Bowser get a speed buff?
Baron von Loathsome
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Guys is this legit???
I'm maining Ramsay.
Bowser got a speed buff, but it'd be weird if he weren't still one of the slowest characters with that size and power.
Maybe he's more like DK now; fast but risky. That'd give Boozer fans reason to celebrate.
Also, has anyone noticed how similar Samus and Link are? Both are slightly heavy projectile users who have tether grabs and are hindered by their attack lag. Even their place in the tier list roughly corresponds (obviously Samus fared better in Melee).
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Alright, my bad. I should have know that. Lucas' up B is way better than Ness, but still not good against characters with good recoveries. They would jump and attack you easily because you would be so opened to the attacks awhile you are trying to focus to get PK thunder to hit you. It's situational for me.
I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that everyone get speed buff because the game is little quicker than Brawl's.
Edited:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghEhI4CJjAM&feature=youtu.be
HECK YEAHHHHHHHHH!
Link still looks slow.
the new physics will provide some changes on their own. Captain Falcon wasn't specifically nerfed that much between Melee and Brawl, it's more like the game just changed around him to completely invalidate how he played. Same thing might happen with some Brawl characters thanks to more hitstun and other changes.
No directional air dodge makes me sad though.
Benzychenz
Member
Smash at Best Buy during E3 huh?
Why not just put it on the eShop so I don't have to be jealous of all the Americans :'(
Why not just put it on the eShop so I don't have to be jealous of all the Americans :'(
BassForever
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Looks like I'm visiting best buy, my local store better have the smash bros thing set up
Starphoenix
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Best Buy Smash tournaments during E3? So called this.
ErrorMacro
Member
Guys is this legit???
Fake. Metroid's name is wrong.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I can't wait to see that none of my Best buy would be selected to host Demo for Nintendo games.
Kinda Predictable since they did same thing last year, so it actually work for Nintendo so I wouldn't be surprised that they would do it again.
Beelzebufo
Banned
This isn't hinting at any new characters. It could easily just be the two links and Samus,and maybe Lucas as well (although that'd be one long snake). Don't look into it too much.
On the other hand, the update also still hints at new ledge grabbing mechanics, with the "is determined by the same rules" part being intentionally vague.
On the other hand, the update also still hints at new ledge grabbing mechanics, with the "is determined by the same rules" part being intentionally vague.