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Uribe's legacy: mass grave of trade unionists found in Colombia

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http://www.alternet.org/world/14772...ade_unionists,_not_military_casualties?page=1

Colombian Mass Grave Of More Than 2000 May Be Civilian Trade Unionists, Not Military Casualties
By Conn Hallinan, Foreign Policy in Focus
Posted on August 5, 2010, Printed on August 10, 2010
http://www.alternet.org/story/147728/

If you want to understand what’s behind the recent tension between Colombia and Venezuela, think “smokescreen,” and then go back several months to some sick children in the Department of Meta, just south of Bogota. The children fell ill after drinking from a local stream, a stream contaminated by the bodies of more than 2,000 people, secretly buried by the Colombian military.

According to the Colombian high command, the mass grave just outside the army base at La Macarena contains the bodies of guerilla fighters killed between 2002 and 2009 in that country’s long-running civil war. But given the army’s involvement in the so-called “false positive” scandal, human rights groups are highly skeptical that the dead are members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia and the National Liberation Army, the two insurgent groups fighting the central government.

“False positive” is the name given to the Colombian armed forces operation that murdered civilians and then dressed them up in insurgent uniforms in order to demonstrate the success of the army’s counterinsurgency strategy, thus winning more aid from the U.S. According to the human rights organizations Comision de Derechos Homanos del Bajo Ariari and Colectivo Orlando Fals Borda, some 2,000 civilians have been murdered under the program.

The bodies at La Macarena have not been identified yet, but suspicion is that they represent victims of the “false-positive” program, as well as rural activists and trade unionists. The incoming Colombian president, Juan Manuel Santos, was defense secretary when the murders were talking place. Santos also oversaw a brief invasion of Ecuador in 2008 that reportedly killed a number of insurgents. The invasion was widely condemned throughout Latin America.


Diverting attention is what outgoing Colombian President Alvaro Uribe is all about. While his foreign minister, Luis Alfonso Hoyos, was laying out photos and intelligence claiming that Venezuela was hosting upwards of 1,500 Colombian insurgents, a group of Latin American NGOs were uncovering a vast scheme by Uribe’s Department of Administrative Security (DAS) to sabotage the activities of journalists, judges, NGOs, international organizations and political opponents. Some of these “dirty tricks” included death threats.

Because the U.S.—which has pumped more than $7 billion in military aid to Colombia—supplies the DAS with sophisticated surveillance technology, Washington may end up implicated in the scandal.

The U.S. may also be tarred with the murder of Colombian trade unionists. According to Kelly Nichollas of the U.S. Office on Colombia, testimony at the trial of former DAS director Jorge Noguera indicated that the U.S. trained a special Colombian intelligence unit that tracked trade unionists.

Colombia is currently the most dangerous country in the world for trade unionists. According to the International Trade Unionist Confederation’s (ITUC) Annual Survey of Trade Union Rights, out of the 101 unionists murdered in 2009, 48 were in Colombia. So far, 20 more Colombian trade unionists have been murdered in 2010. In the case of Hernan Abdiel Ordonez, treasurer of the prison worker’s union, who had complained about corruption, the government refused to provide him security in spite of receiving numerous death threats. He was gunned down by assassins on a motorcycle.

“Colombia was once again the country where standing up for fundamental rights of workers is more likely than anywhere else to mean a death sentence, despite the Colombian government’s public relations campaign,” said ITCU General Secretary Guy Ryder. “The Colombian authorities must take urgent and effective measures to guarantee the physical integrality of Colombian trade unionists.”


Uribe certainly has reason to shift the attention away from Colombia and toward Venezuela. The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights is pressing its investigation of the “false-positives” murders, and [n]Uribe’s brother has been accused of working with death squads[/n]. Santiago Canton, an Argentinean and former head of the rights commission, said “If you put all this together, the extrajudicial executions, the espionage of human rights defenders, it’s all really consistent over the years.”

And where was the Obama Administration in all this? Firmly supporting Uribe, railing against Venezuela’s suspension of diplomacy with Bogota, and, according to an investigation by the North American Congress on Latin America (NACLA), secretly funneling money to the media operations of Chavez’s right-wing opponents. Right-wingers in Bolivia and Nicaragua are also receiving money.

“Between 2007 and 2009, the State Department’s little known Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor channeled at least $4 million to journalists in Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela through the Pan American Development Foundation (PADF),” says NACLA’s Jeremy Bigwood. In doing this, the State Department violated its own rules requiring that “all publications” receiving money “acknowledge that support.” According to Bigwood, the U.S. waived that requirement for PADF.

Colombia is Washington’s closest ally in the region, so it hardly surprising that Uribe’s right-wing government and Washington’s visceral hatred of Chavez should find common ground. But the attack on Chavez is also a proxy assault on the newly formed, 32-member Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), the first regional organization not to include the U.S., Canada, or European countries.

Meeting in Caracas this past July, CELAC selected Chavez and the newly elected conservative president of Chile, Sabastian Pinera, as co-chairs of the forum that will draft statutes for the organization. While it seems like an odd pairing, the U.S. media’s cartoonish characterization of Chavez is not shared widely in Latin America. “Chavez…has shown himself adaptable to making major compromises in order to further Latin American and regional integration,” says Alexander Main of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, D.C.

And while Pinera is very conservative, according to Main, “his toned down approach to international relations indicates that he too is prepared to act pragmatically.”

The Caracas meeting called for “political, economic, social and cultural integration” and affirmed the right of “each state to constitute its own political system free of threats, aggressions and unilateral coercive measures.” Tellingly, there was no mention of “free trade” or “open markets,” the so-called “Washington consensus” that characterized U.S. economic doctrine in the region over the past several decades.

As Latin America grows in economic strength and political independence, U.S. policy seems locked into a previous century when it was the major power in the region. Rather than retooling its diplomatic approach to fit the new reality in Latin America, Washington is expanding its military footprint.

It is will soon be operating out of seven military bases in Colombia and has reactivated its 4th Fleet, both highly unpopular moves in Latin America. Rather than taking the advice of countries in the region to demilitarize its war on drugs, the U.S. recently announced it is deploying 46 warships and 7,000 soldiers to Costa Rica to “interdict” drug traffic and money laundering. From 2000 to 2009, less than 40 percent of U.S. aid to the region went to Latin America’s militaries and police. The Obama Administration has raised that figure to 47 percent.

Washington and Bogota may try to demonize Venezuela, but they are playing to a very small audience, and one that grows smaller—and more irrelevant—by the day.

Horrifying, but not entirely unexpected. The legacy of the right wing in Sudo/centroamerica has always been supported by murder. I don't think a violent revolution is best for the area, but I hope that Uribe's government meets the same fate as ARENA recently found in El Salvador when the Salvadorian electorate stood up to vote against them and prevented ARENA from bussing in foreign voters: total marginalization and defunding.
 
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My favorite part is that the military is like "oh uh all those dudes are FARC? therefore a gigantic pit with tons of corpses that we kept secret and let people drink tainted water out of isn't a big deal, at all"
 

SmokyDave

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Nuts.

“False positive” is the name given to the Colombian armed forces operation that murdered civilians and then dressed them up in insurgent uniforms in order to demonstrate the success of the army’s counterinsurgency strategy, thus winning more aid from the U.S.
Fucking nuts.
 
When this scandal broke out, Uribe urged everyone to 'be fair to the military' because not all of them were doing it and that FARC would surely use this to falsely accuse officers that weren't responsible.

So basically, "don't talk about it because it makes us look bad."

Disgusting.
 
badcrumble said:


My favorite part is that the military is like "oh uh all those dudes are FARC? therefore a gigantic pit with tons of corpses that we kept secret and let people drink tainted water out of isn't a big deal, at all"
Ah, shit.

Quote said:
As Latin America grows in economic strength and political independence, U.S. policy seems locked into a previous century when it was the major power in the region. Rather than retooling its diplomatic approach to fit the new reality in Latin America, Washington is expanding its military footprint.

It is will soon be operating out of seven military bases in Colombia and has reactivated its 4th Fleet, both highly unpopular moves in Latin America. Rather than taking the advice of countries in the region to demilitarize its war on drugs, the U.S. recently announced it is deploying 46 warships and 7,000 soldiers to Costa Rica to “interdict” drug traffic and money laundering.
My tax dollars at work. :(
 

Fio

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Once again, you post an incredible absurd story, from a incredibly shady source to continue pushing your extreme leftist agenda.

Uribe has been by far the best thing to happen to Colombia lately and to some extent to South America in general. When he took office there was a parallel state in Colombia, it was ruthlessly ruled by the terrorists from FARC, Bogotá was one of the most dangerous cities in the world, people being kidnapped by FARC was something normal, people lived in terror. Uribe adopted a policy of ending any kind of negotiation with the FARC scum and it worked incredibly well. Today the FARC is in shambles, even though it can come back with the help of dictators like Hugo Chávez and the soon-to-be-dictator Rafael Correa. The first one supplies weaponry to them, the second one offers protection in Ecuadorian soil.

The Colombian people themselves recognized Uribe's importance and at some point he was the most popular president in the world. But I'll believe you, he's accomplished that by killing trade unionists, not the FARC's terrorists.

Not only that, Uribe respected and strengthened democracy in Colombia, as it's is one of the few countries in South America that's not under risk of becoming a dictatorship. (Venezuela already is, Equador, Bolívia and Paraguay are quickly getting there).
 

Deku

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Source is biased? I've never seen or read anything from it before and it appears to be one of those left-wing truther blogs that always has some anti-capitalist rant.

I like how it starts with the premise that it will explain recent 'tensions' with the dickhead Hugo Chavez.
 

Jackson50

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Fio said:
Once again, you post an incredible absurd story, from a incredibly shady source to continue pushing your extreme leftist agenda.

Uribe has been by far the best thing to happen to Colombia lately and to some extent to South America in general. When he took office there was a parallel state in Colombia, it was ruthlessly ruled by the terrorists from FARC, Bogotá was one of the most dangerous cities in the world, people being kidnapped by FARC was something normal, people lived in terror. Uribe adopted a policy of ending any kind of negotiation with the FARC scum and it worked incredibly well. Today the FARC is in shambles, even though it can come back with the help of dictators like Hugo Chávez and the soon-to-be-dictator Rafael Correa. The first one supplies weaponry to them, the second one offers protection in Ecuadorian soil.

The Colombian people themselves recognized Uribe's importance and at some point he was the most popular president in the world. But I'll believe you, he's accomplished that by killing trade unionists, not the FARC's terrorists.

Not only that, Uribe respected and strengthened democracy in Colombia, as it's is one of the few countries in South America that's not under risk of becoming a dictatorship. (Venezuela already is, Equador, Bolívia and Paraguay are quickly getting there).
I do not think anyone stated the bolded. Anyway, even if Uribe was as successful as you posit and the extrapolations about the grave are erroneous, and I am neither disputing nor affirming either of them, you must admit that extrajudicial killings were a reality during his administration. He is not the first president to bring economic and political stability to a country while concurrently flirting with humans rights violations.
 

Deku

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badcrumble said:
Typical attacking-the-source fallacy.

There's a fucking photograph of a mass grave being unearthed in my second post.

The source is shitty, and the article mixes opinion and innuendo in its reporting with a slant so obvious you will feel it in the dream level.

It implies tactics, and attaches identity to the dead individuals with no evidence other than hearsay and speculation.

Really, though this a gray area of real politik, and I wouldn't be surprised if murder was committed. That said, I certainly resent the article opening with the implication that the tensions between Venezuela and Colombia is due to chavez having some latent appreciation for human rights and standing up for the 200 'trade unionists' that were murdered. As if to lend legitimacy to that totalitarian populist.

But go on with your hand wringing when it is convenient.
 

SUPREME1

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Nothing more than a propaganda piece...

Where are the facts/evidence/proof?




Edit: I'm refering to the identities of the corpses.


Edit2: The fact that the bodies were allowed to mix with the drinking water is just gross and should be criminal. Eww.
 
Fio said:
Bogotá was one of the most dangerous cities in the world
I lol at you for somehow trying to credit Uribe for this. Mockus + Peñalosa are the names you're looking for.

That false positive stuff sounds vile.
 

Lonely1

Unconfirmed Member
Well, I talked with some Colombians during my stay in Peru this summer. The consensus was that they were all so fed-up with the guerrilla and narco violence that they would elect Uribe again if they had the opportunity.
 

Dude Abides

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Fio said:
Once again, you post an incredible absurd story, from a incredibly shady source to continue pushing your extreme leftist agenda.

Uribe has been by far the best thing to happen to Colombia lately and to some extent to South America in general. When he took office there was a parallel state in Colombia, it was ruthlessly ruled by the terrorists from FARC, Bogotá was one of the most dangerous cities in the world, people being kidnapped by FARC was something normal, people lived in terror. Uribe adopted a policy of ending any kind of negotiation with the FARC scum and it worked incredibly well. Today the FARC is in shambles, even though it can come back with the help of dictators like Hugo Chávez and the soon-to-be-dictator Rafael Correa. The first one supplies weaponry to them, the second one offers protection in Ecuadorian soil.

The Colombian people themselves recognized Uribe's importance and at some point he was the most popular president in the world. But I'll believe you, he's accomplished that by killing trade unionists, not the FARC's terrorists.

Not only that, Uribe respected and strengthened democracy in Colombia, as it's is one of the few countries in South America that's not under risk of becoming a dictatorship. (Venezuela already is, Equador, Bolívia and Paraguay are quickly getting there).

Damn straight. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Or skulls of unionists, as the case may be.
 

Niks

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Fio said:
Uribe has been by far the best thing to happen to Colombia lately and to some extent to South America in general. When he took office there was a parallel state in Colombia, it was ruthlessly ruled by the terrorists from FARC, Bogotá was one of the most dangerous cities in the world, people being kidnapped by FARC was something normal, people lived in terror. Uribe adopted a policy of ending any kind of negotiation with the FARC scum and it worked incredibly well. Today the FARC is in shambles, even though it can come back with the help of dictators like Hugo Chávez and the soon-to-be-dictator Rafael Correa. The first one supplies weaponry to them, the second one offers protection in Ecuadorian soil.

pretty much sums it up.
 
ImperialConquest said:
Nothing more than a propaganda piece...

Where are the facts/evidence/proof?




Edit: I'm refering to the identities of the corpses.
FARC sucks a lot too, but that doesn't mean that if a mass grave is full of 2000 of them and kept secret it's suddenly A-OK.
 

Trojita

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That picture makes me sick

Because the U.S.—which has pumped more than $7 billion in military aid to Colombia—supplies the DAS with sophisticated surveillance technology, Washington may end up implicated in the scandal.

If only we didn't send out all of this foreign aid and used it to feed our own starving and sick population.

I hate how the real world works :(
 

xbhaskarx

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So the only source for this is "Alternet.org"?

badcrumble said:
The story's in HuffPo too.

Okay, is it also on any news sites that are not politically biased? Or is the entire mainstream corporate media establishment trying to cover this up?

badcrumble said:
FARC sucks a lot too, but that doesn't mean that if a mass grave is full of 2000 of them and kept secret it's suddenly A-OK.

FARC are considered a terrorist group by not only the Columbian government, but also by the EU, USA, Canada, and New Zealand. Obviously people will have a different reaction to a mass grave full of terrorists than a mass grave full of trade unionists dressed up by the military to look like terrorists. If mass graves full of terrorists are an outrage, there are plenty of those in other places as well, for example in Sri Lanka (Tamil Tigers).
 

Socreges

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Fio said:
Once again, you post an incredible absurd story, from a incredibly shady source to continue pushing your extreme leftist agenda.
The Institute for Policy Studies is an "incredibly shady source"?

Fio said:
Uribe has been by far the best thing to happen to Colombia lately and to some extent to South America in general. When he took office there was a parallel state in Colombia, it was ruthlessly ruled by the terrorists from FARC, Bogotá was one of the most dangerous cities in the world, people being kidnapped by FARC was something normal, people lived in terror. Uribe adopted a policy of ending any kind of negotiation with the FARC scum and it worked incredibly well. Today the FARC is in shambles, even though it can come back with the help of dictators like Hugo Chávez and the soon-to-be-dictator Rafael Correa. The first one supplies weaponry to them, the second one offers protection in Ecuadorian soil.

The Colombian people themselves recognized Uribe's importance and at some point he was the most popular president in the world. But I'll believe you, he's accomplished that by killing trade unionists, not the FARC's terrorists.

Not only that, Uribe respected and strengthened democracy in Colombia, as it's is one of the few countries in South America that's not under risk of becoming a dictatorship. (Venezuela already is, Equador, Bolívia and Paraguay are quickly getting there).
I agree that Uribe has been very effective in battling the FARC. No one is denying him that. That's not what's being criticized here.

Also, is this not true:

Colombia is currently the most dangerous country in the world for trade unionists. According to the International Trade Unionist Confederation’s (ITUC) Annual Survey of Trade Union Rights, out of the 101 unionists murdered in 2009, 48 were in Colombia. So far, 20 more Colombian trade unionists have been murdered in 2010. In the case of Hernan Abdiel Ordonez, treasurer of the prison worker’s union, who had complained about corruption, the government refused to provide him security in spite of receiving numerous death threats. He was gunned down by assassins on a motorcycle.

And why have a secret mass grave of military casualties?

And Uribe has "strengthened democracy in Colombia"? How has he done that? I'm not saying he hasn't, but I'm curious as to how he has.

xbhaskarx said:
Okay, is it also on any news sites that are not politically biased? Or is the entire mainstream corporate media establishment trying to cover this up?
What exactly are you suggesting here? What media outlet doesn't have an agenda of some sort?
 

Dai Kaiju

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I spent a few weeks in Colombia last summer and everyone seemed to love Uribe. Except for the college ultra-liberal types, of course.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Okay, is it also on any news sites that are not politically biased? Or is the entire mainstream corporate media establishment trying to cover this up?
I'm sorry it's not on any more politically reputable sites like breitbart.com or the drudge report
 

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badcrumble said:
I'm sorry it's not on any more politically reputable sites like breitbart.com or the drudge report

How about on non-biased sites then?
 
Ether_Snake said:
How about on non-biased sites then?
There are no non-biased sites. Are you suggesting that the story of a mass grave being uncovered in Colombia is fictional, or just slanted in its coverage? Please don't be coy.
 

Socreges

Banned
Dai Kaiju said:
I spent a few weeks in Colombia last summer and everyone seemed to love Uribe. Except for the college ultra-liberal types, of course.
People are willing to look the other way regarding human rights violations if he makes them feel safer re: FARC. Can't say I blame them too much, but it's a difficult tension to resolve. Those "ultra-liberal types" that you mention probably have a certain abstract sense of democracy, human rights, and governance, apart from practical accomplishments. Or they just hate the man, haha.
 
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