Is there a reason why people keep talking about a Demon's Souls 2, as if Dark Souls wasn't essentially Demon's Souls 2?
I understand that there might be a Demon's Souls 2 in the works but I fail to see why would Sony want to have 2 dungeon crawlers (DeS2 and DD) with a "similar" setting/aesthetic being developed at the same time.
So it's really just the desire for an exclusive title.
I understand that there might be a Demon's Souls 2 in the works but I fail to see why would Sony want to have 2 dungeon crawlers (DeS2 and DD) with a "similar" setting/aesthetic being developed at the same time.
Also, someone please put the "B-Team"-term under quotation marks in the headline of the OP, cause that's what everybody seems to read first and comment right away, without even reading the text. Thx.
E3 announcement only if Miyazaki is working on a new franchise. Not even a new CoD gets announced 3 months after the previous game's release.
Kind of burnt out on the series for now. Demon's Souls 2 could be announced today and all I'd have to say is "meh".
It probably shouldn't be there at all. The game may have been made by a different team, yes but implying that one is necessarily better than the other by assigning them titles such as "A-Team" or "B-Team" is absolutely brain dead.
More amazing is that this "B-Team" made a game as good as Dark Souls and miles better than Demon Souls. Not to mention the PC version of DS2 shits all over the mess job of DS1 PC and its so called "A-Team"
Miles better than Demon's Souls??? Are you kidding me!? So you're saying that they created Dark Souls 2 from scratch? Without the template that was Demon's Souls or even first Dark Souls? Youre funny and a little clueless. The original game was a masterpiece because it was fresh and new, formulated from the ground up. The games in the Dark series are iterations derived from a direct predecessor and not a spiritual successor as was the case for Demon's Souls and it's link to kings Field.
Personally, i don't care if the next Miyazaki project is called Demon's Souls 2, Dark Souls 3, Dragon Souls or even Miyazaki Souls, and if or not it's exclusive to a system like the PS4. Hell, I wouldn't even care if it's still on PS3 or Wii U.
If he's working on another Souls game, as well as most of the original guys from the Demon's Souls/Dark Souls 1-team I'd buy it, as well as the system it would be released on, if I wouldn't already own it. That's because he delivered two amazing games (with Dark Souls 1 being my personal favourite and a true masterpiece) and I trust him and the original team.
Would I buy another Namco-produced/Tanimura-lead Dark Souls? Probably too, cause I still enjoyed it, but I'm way more excited about what the original team does next.
Also, someone please put the "B-Team"-term under quotation marks in the headline of the OP, cause that's what everybody seems to read first and comment right away, without even reading the text. Thx.
Demons Souls 2 (PS4) would be a real ace in the hole for Sony. They did explicitly state that they truly regreted passing up publishing it in the west. Perhaps we'll hear the Maiden in Black's hunting voices just before the game is debuted at this year's E3. You must admit that regardless of how good the two Darks Souls game were Demons Souls lore was far more riveting and mature in its content. Dark Souls 1 and 2, with their obsessions with death and big scary monsters lost a little gravitas as a result. Dark Souls 2 being the bigger offender of the two.
I understand that there might be a Demon's Souls 2 in the works but I fail to see why would Sony want to have 2 dungeon crawlers (DeS2 and DD) with a "similar" setting/aesthetic being developed at the same time.
DingdingdingBecause it will sell consoles and make them money???
Just a thought.
Because it will sell consoles and make them money???
Just a thought.
I want the feel of Demon's Souls back.
For me, DeS is different from DaS like SF Alpha is different from SF3 (both Street Fighters but undeniably different to core fans).
I'm hoping a new DeS sequel / spiritual successor will either recapture the elements that made DeS so amazing or strike a good balance between DeS and DaS1.
Don't care if it's exclusive, but I don't think Namco / From would go in this direction. So I think it's up to Sony / From if a game like this would get made.
Was Demon Souls that well known outside of the main fanbase?
I really like your analysis in the bolded part based on SF and how games can feel different despite having many similarities.
Could you perhaps elaborate a bit on why DeS feels different? And did DaS 2 also feel different from both DaS and DeS to you (i.e. feel unique in it's own way perhaps)?
After playing DaS 2 recently and watching let's plays of DaS and DeS to refresh my memory, I too notice some (often subtle) differences but it remains somewhat hard to put my finger on what exactly made DeS unique and perhaps a bit better. Maybe it's the sound design (with a stronger emphasis on environmental sounds such as background static like the wind etc that help creat a feeling of vastness), a more varied selection of bosses, or...? Maybe it's just nostalgia that does it for me, I truly don't know.
In any case, I'd be happy with any new souls game or any new spiritual successor by Miyazaki. Despite that wish, I too feel DaS 2 - for all it's strenghts - also indicates a continued loss in living up to DeS initial vision, detail and variety. Hopefully a more direct involvement by Miyazaki might help alleviate that for future games.
Except ... Sony is not in a position that it needs to buy a strong third party exclusive for the PS4.Because:
1. Souls series started as a PS3 exclusive.
2. It would be first and only next gen Souls game (it's possible that Sony struck a deal with From Software not to bring Dark Souls 2 to next gen consoles so that Demon's Souls 2 could become first Souls next gen experience).
3. Demon's Souls 2 would be a powerful exclusive to own (Sony owns Demon's Souls IP, why leave it unused?).
Although I really loved Dark Souls' large, open world (as opposed to more linear/hub world approach of Demon's Souls), overall, when it comes to gameplay, atmosphere and difficulty, I hold DeS in higher regard than DaS.
I want the feel of Demon's Souls back.
For me, DeS is different from DaS like SF Alpha is different from SF3 (both Street Fighters but undeniably different to core fans).
I'm hoping a new DeS sequel / spiritual successor will either recapture the elements that made DeS so amazing or strike a good balance between DeS and DaS1.
Don't care if it's exclusive, but I don't think Namco / From would go in this direction. So I think it's up to Sony / From if a game like this would get made.
M°°nblade;109462114 said:Except ... Sony is not in a position that it needs to buy a strong third party exclusive for the PS4.
Demon's souls 2 doesn't exist, simply because no one needs it to exist. It's just a wet dream.
Yep, that's the gist of it to me. The differences between these games when you really get down to it, a pretty fucking minute.You won't ever get that "feel" back. That first time playing a souls game is the only time you have that feeling. Dark Souls 2 is really not that much different from Demon's souls when you get right down to it, but it feels different to a lot of people because they are used to the mechanics and the mood of the game.
I'm not so sure about who owns what exactly as the game had 3 publishers in total.It wouldn't be them buying a third party exclusive.
Demon's Souls as a Sony owned IP. Studio Japan helped fund and produce it.
They'd be making a sequel to a first-party game, no?
Was Demon Souls that well known outside of the main fanbase?
Demons Souls 2 (PS4) would be a real ace in the hole for Sony. They did explicitly state that they truly regreted passing up publishing it in the west. Perhaps we'll hear the Maiden in Black's hunting voices just before the game is debuted at this year's E3. You must admit that regardless of how good the two Darks Souls game were Demons Souls lore was far more riveting and mature in its content. Dark Souls 1 and 2, with their obsessions with death and big scary monsters lost a little gravitas as a result. Dark Souls 2 being the bigger offender of the two.
It is now.
Here's the things, Sony now knows how big a sequel to Demon's Souls could be if properly funded and developed by the original team. Sony will get the word out. Not to mention that every hardcore Dark SoulsDemon's Souls fan will be screaming from the rooftops. You can't buy word of mouth like that, and the Souls series has fans that will put in that free invaluable work. Honestly, Sony would be dumb not to jump on that gravy train. I'm shocked that people don't get this fact. Sony owns the IP. They have a great working relationship with From. They spend millions and millions of dollars on creating games that are far from sure things (Star Hawk, The Puppeteer and so many others). Why wouldn't they fund a game like Demon's Souls II and have it be a Ps4 exclusive? Spending 30 to 40 million to fund a sure thing makes a lot more sense than funding a game like Drive Club. They would sell more consoles as a result and by the time the game comes out they'll have close to 12 million PS4's in the hands of consumers. Demon's Souls II could easily sell a million or more copies under those circumstances. Sony would make back their investment and more! Let's be serious here. This would be a sure thing. Far smarter people than me work at Sony and I'm pretty sure they've come to the same conclusions.
Excuse you....did you just fart?More amazing is that this "B-Team" made a game as good as Dark Souls and miles better than Demon Souls. Not to mention the PC version of DS2 shits all over the mess job of DS1 PC and its so called "A-Team"
Releasing another Demon Souls when another Dark Souls possibly in the pipe endangers the brand too, I would think. There's already a sense of brand fatigue with Dark Souls II, I could only imagine how a DeSII and DaSIII would do if released a year apart. Unless From forgos DaSIII for an exclusive DeSII. I personally would be more interested in something new from From instead of becoming dependant on one franchise.
FROM is probably making a totally new game or spiritual sucessor with a different setting if anything.
Yep, that's the gist of it to me. The differences between these games when you really get down to it, a pretty fucking minute.
Demons Souls 2 (PS4) would be a real ace in the hole for Sony. They did explicitly state that they truly regreted passing up publishing it in the west. Perhaps we'll hear the Maiden in Black's hunting voices just before the game is debuted at this year's E3. You must admit that regardless of how good the two Darks Souls game were Demons Souls lore was far more riveting and mature in its content. Dark Souls 1 and 2, with their obsessions with death and big scary monsters lost a little gravitas as a result. Dark Souls 2 being the bigger offender of the two.
M°°nblade;109463602 said:I'm not so sure about who owns what exactly as the game had 3 publishers in total.
That's probably why they rebranded the IP to Dark souls.
Was Demon Souls that well known outside of the main fanbase?
M°°nblade;109462114 said:Except ... Sony is not in a position that it needs to buy a strong third party exclusive for the PS4.
Demon's souls 2 doesn't exist, simply because no one needs it to exist. It's just a wet dream.
Releasing another Demon Souls when another Dark Souls possibly in the pipe endangers the brand too, I would think. There's already a sense of brand fatigue with Dark Souls II, I could only imagine how a DeSII and DaSIII would do if released a year apart. Unless From forgos DaSIII for an exclusive DeSII. I personally would be more interested in something new from From instead of becoming dependant on one franchise.
This right here. It's insulting.They really do not deserve to be called B-team.
No one expected it to be such a great game and such a hit. Contrary to belief Demons Souls actually sold quite well.
It sold 300k in JP iirc and 500k in US by Sept 2010. LTD is probably well over 1 million.
Because:
1. Souls series started as a PS3 exclusive.
2. It would be first and only next gen Souls game (it's possible that Sony struck a deal with From Software not to bring Dark Souls 2 to next gen consoles so that Demon's Souls 2 could become first Souls next gen experience).
3. Demon's Souls 2 would be a powerful exclusive to own (Sony owns Demon's Souls IP, why leave it unused?).
Although I really loved Dark Souls' large, open world (as opposed to more linear/hub world approach of Demon's Souls), overall, when it comes to gameplay, atmosphere and difficulty, I hold DeS in higher regard than DaS.
And forget about boss fights, the worst boss in Artorias is better than the best boss of DK2.
The A-Team is obviously working on King's Field V