Oh yeah, you're right. My bad, I guess I read too quickly. I don't envy their translation team right now, some of the work is already done but it's still a huge amount of work.
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Ys VIII: NISA apologies for localisation, will be patched in November
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Oh yeah, you're right. My bad, I guess I read too quickly. I don't envy their translation team right now, some of the work is already done but it's still a huge amount of work.
The point is that they were operating on bad faith and greed when they negotiated the deal. It doesn't matter if the current optics are "at least they're not Atlus"; they're probably banking on you thinking that.
dragonzdogma
Member
What's wrong with this?
Did they just create a name for her?
Laughs in Romun.
This.
I appreciate the effort, but it shouldn't have happened, and it's so obvious they promised a PC port they couldn't even deliver on just to upstage Xseed. I also don't think a month~ is enough time to fully pour over the text and fix every issue, but we'll see.
EDIT:
This too
ShadowgeistX
Member
Didn't someone call them out on it on one of the demos? Didn't they say that they'd make sure the localization was good for the final release?
Hopefully Ys ends up in better hands in the future.
Hopefully Ys ends up in better hands in the future.
DarknessTear
Banned
What's wrong with this?
Did they just create a name for her?
It's stupid, that's what is wrong with it. Nobody talks like that. Would you go up to someone and say "My name is Michael, just call me Michael."? Awkward.
GoldandBlue
Member
What's wrong with this?
Did they just create a name for her?
I assume the intention of the line is she's saying just call her "Alison" instead of "Alison-san" or whatever honorific, but it doesn't make any sense in english where you don't use them anyways.
Aaronrules380
Member
MY assumption is its a completely literal translation of the Japanese. In Japan, you usually add an honorific after someones name unless youre very close, and not doing so is generally considered rude, so her telling them to just refer to her as Alison would imply shes saying no need for honorifics which conveys information about what type of person she is and how shes reacting to the situation. This obviously doesnt translate well to English because we dont use honorifics like that
What's wrong with this?
Did they just create a name for her?
Lightning Lord
Banned
The news of the localization was getting to the point where even Japanese websites were reporting on it... I'm sure that definitely kicked NISA into gear.
I'm honestly just surprised they are going doing something about it, though. Kinda glad I had Samus Returns and Stardew Valley pull me away from this since I'll most likely just wait and start over. I didn't mind the localization at first but it was starting to bog down the experience.
I'm honestly just surprised they are going doing something about it, though. Kinda glad I had Samus Returns and Stardew Valley pull me away from this since I'll most likely just wait and start over. I didn't mind the localization at first but it was starting to bog down the experience.
There actually isn't an honorific in the JP line - she trails off the exact same way after her name. You could definitely safely assume that that was the intended implication though, and there's no question that it doesn't work in English at all.
By the end of November...? So, like, two months to re-edit the entire translation and redo voice-overs? Is that really feasible? Between the shoddy translation and the MIA PC port, it is pretty clear that they fundamentally bungled their approach with this game and I don't think a couple months is going to be enough to fix it. Kudos for owning up, but it looks like they realized they overpromised and underdelivered, and are trying to make up for it by... overpromising even more.
Yeeeeeeep. And it's not even people who had already worked on the localization, but a new translator and editor who'd have to familiarize themselves with it.
I have little faith that this is actually going to accomplish much. They still don't seem to understand the importance of reasonable deadlines even after that was one major reason why it turned out so poorly to begin with.
Mistranslations all over the place, bad typesetting, and probably the worst dub in the series because they reused the pool of actors from the other games instead of picking actors specifically for the parts. It's not awful or anything, but it's definitely lackluster.
Aaronrules380
Member
Thats my point though. I assumed she was intentionally telling them to call her just Alison (and by implication not Alison San). I already assumed the translation was accurate to a fault because it focused on the literal words rather than the underlying meaning and intention behind them
TheLegendaryN
Member
Hopefully they'll think about quality prior to release next time. That saves them from a lot of problems, like the initial backlash and the apology right now.
ShadowgeistX
Member
I bet if nobody posted that the boss would still be a shivering vase lol.
Again, hopefully the series lands in better hands next time. The best result from this would be a lesson learned on falcom's part.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
anyone going to write a letter about Tokyo Xanadu now?
Party still getting "swallowed like Job" over there.
Party still getting "swallowed like Job" over there.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Was this translation better or worse than Persona 5? Does it share any of the same problems?
I'm understanding that Ys VIII may have had more grammatical problems?
I'm understanding that Ys VIII may have had more grammatical problems?
eXistor
Member
"Grave error" he says. I'm pretty sure they just hoped they would get away with it. Honestly I didn't mind it, it was a very literal and dry translation, but I had some chuckles out of it. I really don't care about the story in an Ys game so I guess I'm not as offended as some are.
poppos2097
Member
Would they add the PS4 extra content back to Vita?
I mean, this is good, but it makes you wonder why all of those mistakes even happened in the first place.
The game's still an amazing experience, though.
Where's that dude from the OT who was claiming there was no difference between this and Cold Steel's translation and got offended when called out for it?
The game's still an amazing experience, though.
Where's that dude from the OT who was claiming there was no difference between this and Cold Steel's translation and got offended when called out for it?
Matt Attack
Member
Dream come true. I own a PS4 copy and haven't played it yet for various reasons, but I was not looking forward to the localization based on what I've seen. Good on NISA for bothering to go back and fix it, hopefully they do a good job.
dragonzdogma
Member
I guess I would, If I'm feeling awkward I guess.
hahahaha *scratches behind the head* ^_^;
*flings nose*
Ha you did alright kiddo!
*thumbs up* (gust of wind out of nowhere)
Aaronrules380
Member
The issue with Ys VIII is mainly that it's a completely literal translation to a fault where it ends up having a bunch of parts that are really clunky or awkward sounding in English. Sometimes at the cost of losing the actual point and subtext behind the lines as well
Even though XSEED does great work, there's no way they can handle releasing every Falcom game. We need at least one other party doing good work with Falcom. XSEED being the only viable partner would result in fewer games coming out in English, more slowly.
yaffi
Member
I'm not exactly sure about that.
It's a pretty easy guess: they wanted to outbid Xseed at all costs and completely overpromised which led to entirely impossible deadlines. Then they huddled to get something out of the door in time, the result being the shoddy localization.I mean, this is good, but it makes you wonder why all of those mistakes even happened in the first place.
The game's still an amazing experience, though.
Where's that dude from the OT who was claiming there was no difference between this and Cold Steel's translation and got offended when called out for it?
And they completely failed with the PC port as well.
I kinda feel bad for the actual people that worked on the game.
It has consistently stiff and awkward wording, sometimes poor grammar, occasionally mistranslated item names, localized area names that are worse than the existing English ones in the JP version, poor direction for the dub, and homogenization of character voice. They also screwed up a couple of neat little references - one to Ys II, one to Trails in the Sky.
Overall, far worse than P5's and I've heard that even DRV3's is significantly better.
Well judging by the YsVIII and Tokyo Xanadu releases, there are indeed fewer Falcom games coming out in English. There are more games being released outside of Japan though, that much is true. 🤷*♂️
No wonder they managed to get this game over XSEED, it's easy to undercut if you're going to cut corners on the localization.
I really don't care much for their apologies, or rushed fixes, but I do hope that ensuring it never happens again thing works out for the sake of all us.
Regarding the Persona 5 comparisons, uh, P5 is stiff at times but I don't think NISA would have had to apologize if they had delivered a script of a similar quality. The two don't feel all that comparable to me.
I really don't care much for their apologies, or rushed fixes, but I do hope that ensuring it never happens again thing works out for the sake of all us.
Regarding the Persona 5 comparisons, uh, P5 is stiff at times but I don't think NISA would have had to apologize if they had delivered a script of a similar quality. The two don't feel all that comparable to me.
lmfao
Savage
Flawless Victory
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Hopefully one of these other localization companies will increase the quality of their work then.
NoSkillz187
Member
This is hilarious.. I'll be done with the game in a week, but this would raise the score for me personally. Enjoying it despite the bad translation.
Without knowing the context... could they have meant swallowed like Jonah?