Kagoshima_Luke
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I didn't think it could be possible, but WoD just might be worse than Cata. Hoping the next expansion gets rid of garrisons and adds some meat to its bones. Also, new races and/or class would be nice.
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Interfectum
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There's a better chance at social interaction when you actually see people to interact with, though.
If only they can bring back the game to BC times. Remove stupid raid finder, bring back challenging heroics, require attunement, don't give me epics for no damn reason, make the game worthy to play again not this bs it has become where you do a simple quest line and you get gear just handed to you or afk in raid finder and get gear just given to you. Nobody likes this shit blizzard have you not noticed it?
You know what would be cool? If the South Seas expansion would give you a ship to customize, and it was like fucking Wind Waker; you sail around this big interesting world, interact and see other people, dock in the big cities, etc. Maybe not quite as empty as WW's Great Sea. 
I echo the MoP love: I really liked that expansion. I think I even stayed subbed about 90% of the time. People really disliked those pandas. I loved the feeling of the world, with all the villages around.
I echo the MoP love: I really liked that expansion. I think I even stayed subbed about 90% of the time. People really disliked those pandas. I loved the feeling of the world, with all the villages around.
Oh this nonsense. Also, have you tried the mythic dungeons in WoD?
I mentioned this before in other threads, but I'm with you man, Vanilla was truly epic and the sense of adventure is all gone. I'd totally go back if they open a classic realm or something of that sort.
RPGCrazied
Member
But yeah, garrisons better be blasted into space. I hated them in WoD. They felt like a cheap housing solution, but didn't work out.
Robin64
Member
How are your Challenge Mode Dungeon, Mythic Dungeon and Mythic Raid progression coming along?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Raid finder has no negative effects at this point. It doesn't reward tier gear or good set bonuses, and it's been made mindlessly boring.
Challenging heroics? Mythic 5 mans and challenge modes are fine. A little easier than BC heroics but a difficulty sweet spot.
I agree on attunements, but not to the severity of BC's.
If you don't feel this game is "worthy" to play, that's fine - but this narrative of the game being too easy and LFR being cancerous anymore is ridiculous.
Method themselves even said that Archimonde is the hardest boss that Blizzard has made.
To me Garrisons seemed like a an attempt to make a MMORPG less reliant on other people... and more like just an RPG.
Want herbs? Well buy them from another play.... jk garden
Want ore? Well buy them another pla... jk mine
etc etc
Get gear from your missions
Get resources from your missions
Get gold from your missions
I have enough gold to pay for my wow sub for the forseeable future, and I promise a good chunk of it is just from garrison missions.
nkarafo
Member
I never played this expansion but i always wonder how does that work? Are garrisons like an instance? Is the garrison at the same place for every player? I imagine that it's impossible for every single player to have his own buildings somewhere on the map, right?
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
One thing I hope they have in the new xpac is a god damn big awesome neutral city. I don't give a fuck about "the war in warcraft" and keeping horde and alliance apart. Shattrath and Dalaran were awesome. Pandaria shrines were just ok and Ashran hubs, like Ashan itself, are dogshit.
They are, it's called 2.3 and it's gonna be god damn awesome.
They are, it's called 2.3 and it's gonna be god damn awesome.
O you mean the same thing every week just increased difficulty? They are great... Every xpac since BC has has a reduced number of instances, easy welfare epics, and a dumb pvp zone that nobody likes. They even lost to people crying about no flying so they added that, the game is ridiculous now it's a social game gone single player.
Interfectum
Gold Member
You know what's coming. Pirate expansion. Garrisons are now pirate ships. Metzen won't rest until he creates a pirate orc.
This will never return, alas. The casuals would scream.
Milly Osworth
Member
Let's hope it did. Garrishons are the main reason WoD sucked donkey balls.
Lets be real, the only one of those that even remotely matters is Mythic Raids...
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Yes, because it was unique content doing Karazhan farm runs for alts and new guildies every week.
Don't compare these raids to the goat please
EDIT: I get your point, but hell, Karazhan was always fun because Karazhan
No new class no new skills no new story bosses and awesome cinematics though.
Not interested in that much more running rifts.
Interfectum
Gold Member
Yeah Garrisons were just an evolution of the MoP farms. I have a feeling we'll see that mechanic come back but dialed down a bit.
Robin64
Member
Love the moaning of how "easy" WoW is now, but when you offer the hard parts of it, people aren't interested for some reason or another. Like casual players getting some gear with a purple name offends them so much.
You see this mount?
There is one model of these in the entire game, no recolors, no casual versions, nothing. Do you know how many people in the entire world have this mount? 50.
Don't pretend you can't still be a special snowflake in WoW if you want.
You see this mount?
There is one model of these in the entire game, no recolors, no casual versions, nothing. Do you know how many people in the entire world have this mount? 50.
Don't pretend you can't still be a special snowflake in WoW if you want.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Note how this plays out. They have what they were told to expect, what they want, and what they demand and GET those things, but they're not happy. But, people like this can still talk like the elitists of old when the idea of that being taken away comes up just like the flying removal earlier in the year and it doesn't matter because they're out the door with what they want anyways same as if they weren't given what they want.
Azzurri
Member
Wow is a joke. It's literally world of lobbycraft. Sit in your garrisons and queue for raids or instanced pvp. There's no need for zones. It's basically a lobby based game now.
On top of that they're going to charge $50 in which is basically a content patch for other mmos or what wow use to do.
On top of that they're going to charge $50 in which is basically a content patch for other mmos or what wow use to do.
Wait for when you miss WoD for [enter certain aspect here].
@Thread: Yay! Leveling for the first time is after all the best thing in each expansion, as well as the first few weeks at max level. So new expansions could come every 6 months for me.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Don't compare these raids to the goat please
EDIT: I get your point, but hell, Karazhan was always fun because Karazhan
Definitely rose tinted glasses. Kara is great, but I distinctly remember people commonly being tired of it before Wrath came out.
plutoknight
Member
It's weird -- a solution like that exists in another very-long-lasting MMORPG, and it's praised there. But that MMORPG also has a large dwindling playerbase and is in the transition to make everything solo friendly to put the game on auto-pilot.
That game of course, is Final Fantasy 11. A game where, as I sit logged on a server, has ~350 people online.
I almost feel this...hesitation by Blizzard to put a lot of work into WoW. They almost seem afraid to work on it or put money/time into it. Or maybe it's just a more...concentrated use of resources. I'm not sure.
Yearly expansions definitely screams "We're winding down development, but you make us a ton of money, so we'll support you minimally!"
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Biggest case is that the majority of people like that NEVER did the hard content back in BC or earlier and look up to it like some kind of shining star. They couldn't do hard content then, and they can't do hard content now.
Love the moaning of how "easy" WoW is now, but when you offer the hard parts of it, people aren't interested for some reason or another. Like casual players getting some gear with a purple name offends them so much.
You see this mount?
There is one model of these in the entire game, no recolors, no casual versions, nothing. Do you know how many people in the entire world have this mount? 50.
Don't pretend you can't still be a special snowflake in WoW if you want.
Don't worry my friend, I'm sure that will be on the black market auction house soon enough so anyone with max money can buy one as well. Certainly happened with the Mimi Head and Invincible mounts of Wrath...
Love the moaning of how "easy" WoW is now, but when you offer the hard parts of it, people aren't interested for some reason or another. Like casual players getting some gear with a purple name offends them so much.
You see this mount?
There is one model of these in the entire game, no recolors, no casual versions, nothing. Do you know how many people in the entire world have this mount? 50.
Don't pretend you can't still be a special snowflake in WoW if you want.
I actually agree with you on that point, only when it comes to Mythic dungeons. Because they aren't just harder versions of the heroics, they actually have different mechanics.
Thats why getting Mythic BRF and HM gear for heroic boss kills vexed me so much
It is cosmetic. It doesn't make the person who has it more powerful. Cosmetic is cool and they should have cosmetic reward, but people want to be better.
Robin64
Member
I actually think that was a really bad move.
You also get way better gear. I mean, like way better gear.
Someone already tried this. Happened to be wildstar. No one played it. Regardless of how many people cry foul about how much more hardcore it should be the fact is not that many people are hardcore like that anymore. Times are a changing.
A Serious Man
Member
They'd have to do something really progressive to get me back on board and I already know that won't happen since this is Blizzard we're talking about.
Draenor was basically reverse Pandaria.
Pandaria received tons of negative reactions at reveal, wasn't hyped at all and was disliked upon release because of the daily quest grind. However the expansion turned out to be stellar, packed with content for every style of play with a pretty interesting storyline.
On the other, majority loved the direction of WoD, it was the most hyped expansion since WotLK and people loved the game at it's release because of great leveling experience. Beyond that however, it turned out to be terrible.
Pandaria received tons of negative reactions at reveal, wasn't hyped at all and was disliked upon release because of the daily quest grind. However the expansion turned out to be stellar, packed with content for every style of play with a pretty interesting storyline.
On the other, majority loved the direction of WoD, it was the most hyped expansion since WotLK and people loved the game at it's release because of great leveling experience. Beyond that however, it turned out to be terrible.
Hype! WoW is still great, just needs a little course correction after Warlords.
This couldn't be more on point. Exactly my experience with both (though I was always fairly hyped for Mists). MoP was a great expansion in the end save for the content drought at the very end. Warlords on the other hand has been on a downward trajectory after the initial leveling.
Well I was still in Karazhan even until Wrath came out. However, I got tired of Highmaul before even BRF even came out. Not tired of BRF though, to me its
BRF > HFC >>>> HM in this expac.
Lets just be real.
Compare every aspect, every boss, every room, and the ambiance of Black Temple and HFC.
Raids these days cant compare...
plutoknight
Member
I think people who don't want Duty/Raid/Whatever Finders and such are fooling themselves. I think these features are mainstays of MMORPGs.
However, I think there are great ways to balance them. Personally, I find FF14's Duty/Party Finder systems great compliments of each other --
DF for casual content
PF for playing with your server friends and doing harder content.
WoW does something similar now, no?
BriareosGAF
Member
All not replying because you're storing them in your bank so you can send them to your alts.