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[vaibhavpisal]

You've said the plan is still multiple stores. Have you heard whether Valve was onboard with this?

EGS has confirmed.

Valve wouldn't want EGS to build an easy customer base. It could be the end of their dominance in PC space.

They are winning by being default store on system. Anyone can replace them overnight and nobody will notice.

 

[Pantz]

If it plays all my Xbox digital library without streaming, I'm in. Might even start buying games on Xbox again, but I need to see a clear direction for the future, aside from intentional sabotage.

 

[Topher]

Why wouldn't they?

It's easy money for them, just like they get from any other PC on the planet

Valve is releasing Steam Machine in a few weeks and they may see this as competition. Valve have been pushing open platforms and if this is a closed console then that's fly in the face of that. And Gabe Newell isn't one to just jump on a train like this if he doesn't want to.

Plenty of reasons, but they might support it anyway. That's why I'm asking.

EGS has confirmed.

Valve wouldn't want EGS to build an easy customer base. It could be the end of their dominance in PC space.

They are winning by being default store on system. Anyone can replace them overnight and nobody will notice.

 

[midnightAI]

The possible losses due to people opting to purchase from other pc storefronts won't be recovered via hardware profit.

You think MS is making much/any money from GamePass currently? (taking into account how much it costs to make their own games and put them on there for 'free')

Edit: just to clarify, GamePass may be 'technically' making a profit but as a division XBox is most likely making a loss with GamePass due to XBox game studios putting their games on there for 'free' but as we know those games cost 100's of millions to make.

 

[Rubim]

Can you play Fortnite on steamOS?
Can you play COD on steamOS?
Can you play FIFA on steamOS?

Solid point.

 

[Sentenza]

Are some people actually angry about the notion that the next Xbox hardware may end up playing PC games and MAYBE even to install Steam?
I think that's the most appealing proposition from Microsoft in the last 15 years or so.
At least on paper, the execution will determine a lot of how good of a deal this could be.

Incidentally, I'm starting to suspect this may be the ACTUAL reason for Sony backing off from PC releases.
Someone at Sony probably caugght wind of this and they may have thought that "the new Xbox will play Sony games too" wasn't a message they wanted to see spreading around.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Valve is releasing Steam Machine in a few weeks and they may see this as competition. Valve have been pushing open platforms and if this is a closed console then that's fly in the face of that. And Gabe Newell isn't one to just jump on a train like this if he doesn't want to.

Plenty of reasons, but they might support it anyway. That's why I'm asking.

Xbox Helix is more open than Steam Machine.

Can I install apps of other launchers on steam machine?

 

[Gabe ♥]

Win?

Losing all of your revenue streams is not a win....

It's a failure

At least for me, i would love to buy a console for playing steam games on my tv.

 

[Topher]

Xbox Helix is more open than Steam Machine.

Can I install apps of other launchers on steam machine?

That assumes Xbox Helix is just a full-fledge Windows PC where you can install any apps you want and you can even replace Windows with another operating system.

All that applies to Steam Machine and Steam OS to answer your question.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

That assumes Xbox Helix is just a full-fledge Windows PC where you can install any apps you want and you can even replace Windows with another operating system.

All that applies to Steam Machine to answer your question.

Its a console.

You don't have access to OS.

Just apps and games.

Its a console more open than some pcs.

Let that sink in…..

 

[Topher]

Its a console.

You don't have access to OS.

Just apps and games.

Its a console more open than some pcs.

Let that sink in…..

If true, then this is a false statement:

"Xbox Helix is more open than Steam Machine."

Let that sink in

 

[Kacho]

Its a console more open than some pcs.

Let that sink in…..

Are you doing a bit?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Then this is a false statement:

"Xbox Helix is more open than Steam Machine."

Let that sink in

Depends on POV.

Steam Machine is a pc with a relatively locked ecosystem.

Xbox Helix is a console with open marketplace.

I see xbox as more open. I don't want to make changes to steam box. Its counterproductive to what the system is.

 

[Topher]

Depends on POV.

Steam Machine is a pc with a relatively locked ecosystem.

Xbox Helix is a console with open marketplace.

I see xbox as more open. I don't want to make changes to steam box. Its counterproductive to what the system is.

Incorrect. Steam Machine is completely open. You can wipe Steam OS and install Windows if you want. Can't get any more open than that.

Being open isn't defined by your personal preference of what you want Xbox to do.

 

[nani17]

Can you play Fortnite on steamOS?
Can you play COD on steamOS?
Can you play FIFA on steamOS?

Also can't play apex legends or gta online

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Incorrect. Steam Machine is completely open. You can wipe Steam OS and install Windows if you want. Can't get any more open than that.

Being open isn't defined by your personal preference of what you want Xbox to do.

Xbox lockdowns in place are intentional for a specific, console experience.

Those are necessary to call it a console. Otherwise it will be exactly a windows pc.

Its open at places that count.

Wiping everything on Steam machine, what is the point? Its supposed to be used as is. For a general user that doesn't want to go that far, its a closed system.

 

[Brucey]

Its a console more open than some pcs.

What PCs would those be?

 

[Tobimacoss]

Incorrect. Steam Machine is completely open. You can wipe Steam OS and install Windows if you want. Can't get any more open than that.

Being open isn't defined by your personal preference of what you want Xbox to do.

Xbox Helix Console = closed system for security, open to competition. MS still wants to ensure no piracy, no hacking, no cheating, no fraud etc.

Xbox PC= open platform. Put SteamOS on it.

It's very much a MacBook = PC, iPad = Console situation. But an iPad that allows other storefronts.

 

[nani17]

 

[vaibhavpisal]

What PCs would those be?

Any pc that doesn't support multiple marketplaces.

 

[Topher]

Wiping everything on Steam machine, what is the point? Its supposed to be used as is. For a general user that doesn't want to go that far, its a closed system.

Factually incorrect. Steam OS is simply Linux with Steam installed. You can install or uninstall whatever you want. That is not a closed system.

Xbox Helix Console = closed system, open to competition. MS still wants to ensure no piracy, no hacking, no cheating, no fraud etc.

Xbox PC= open platform. Put SteamOS on it.

It's very much a MacBook = PC, iPad = Console situation. But an iPad that allows other storefronts.

I'm not the person you need to be replying to. Tell vaibhavpisal

Edit: Better yet....

Xbox Helix Console = closed system

vaibhavpisal tell him he is wrong

 

[Brucey]

Any pc that doesn't support multiple marketplaces.

Can you give an example?

 

[adamsapple]

Wouldn't any PC disc add-on already work? It doesn't need one.

It would need one if they plan on people retaining their physical Xbox library. *

* We're asking if it will come with a disc drive or not in the first place.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

What PCs would those be?

Apple iphone. Its not a pc but a general purpose computing device.

Factually incorrect. Steam OS is simply Linux with Steam installed. You can install or uninstall whatever you want. That is not a closed system.



I'm not the person you need to be replying to. Tell vaibhavpisal

Edit: Better yet....



vaibhavpisal tell him he is wrong

You are getting mixed up in technicalities.

Everyone is asking how xbox is going to make any profit on Helix. Thats a good sign of a open ecosystem.

 

[twilo99]

They're still saying it's dead when they're delivering what a ton of people wanted.

GAF be saying Xbox ded for a decade

 

[Brucey]

Apple iphone. Its not a pc but a general purpose computing device.

Ummm ok yeah i guess if you define an iPhone as a PC the Nexus is open.....meanwhile on planet Earth the general definition of PC allows for any marketplace to be installled.

 

[Topher]

Apple iphone. Its not a pc but a general purpose computing device.

You are getting mixed up in technicalities.

Everyone is asking how xbox is going to make any profit on Helix. Thats a good sign of a open ecosystem.

Intellectual dishonesty at its finest

 

[twilo99]

Doubt it will be. For me, if it's the same price as a PC but in a console form factor and as quiet or close to as quiet as the XSX that will be huge for me. Those two things would add a good bit to the price of a PC. Small cases and great cooling can be expensive.

I don't think they will be able to make it as quiet at that wattage. Both the x and s are a bit over engineered design wise, especially cooling, which makes them run very quiet.

 

[Brucey]

It would need one if they plan on people retaining their physical Xbox library.

Anyone with a disc drive version of series X should prob hold off on selling until MS confirms disc backwards compatibility for Nexus. Used value may actually increase if it turns out only digital compatibility is provided.

 

[clappedcheeks]

Apple iphone. Its not a pc but a general purpose computing device.

You are getting mixed up in technicalities.

Everyone is asking how xbox is going to make any profit on Helix. Thats a good sign of an open ecosystem.

Are you one of Asha's AI agents that has gone rogue? I've never seen so much incoherent bollocks spouted just to make a point.

 

[Brucey]

Are you one of Asha's AI agents that has gone rogue? I've never seen so much incoherent bollocks spouted just to make a point.

Outsourced AI = MegaSlop.

 

[pudel]

Wiping everything on Steam machine, what is the point? Its supposed to be used as is. For a general user that doesn't want to go that far, its a closed system.

You can just go in desktop mode and installing/starting whatever other launcher/game you want. I dont know why you think SteamOS is a closed system. Its as open, as it can be.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Intellectual dishonesty at its finest

The only way Steam machine can be more open than Helix is if they invite other stores to make app for it.

Otherwise its a grey area.

From my POV Helix is more open cause it opens the way for other stores.

Valve even subsidised Steam Deck. They are comfortable in knowledge nobody would wipe OS from that.

 

[skyfinch]

This thing better play my Series S games upscaled to 1080p, otherwise I'm waiting for Steamdeck 2.

 

[Topher]

The only way Steam machine can be more open than Helix is if they invite other stores to make app for it.

If a system is open then there is no need for invitations at all.

 

[poodaddy]

If it's compelling, I'll purchase; I've no allegiances.

Price is a big factor here for me though. I've got a Steam Deck, a PS5 that doesn't get touched, a Series X that rarely gets touched, a Switch that pretty much exists for RingFit Adventure now, and a very capable PC, so I'd need a scenario that makes this device necessary to my current set up at a price point that won't set me back too far, and I kinda have doubts that this will fit into that for me, but I earnestly hope it does.

Xbox desperately needs some kind of win, and the industry desperately needs competition, as innovation is just falling to a stand still lately. Here's hoping they can actually get something, anything right.....but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[pudel]

The only way Steam machine can be more open than Helix is if they invite other stores to make app for it.

They dont need to invite anybody, because anybody is already there and its free for everyone to be on board. The ones who arent there...are the ones who dont want to be there for "reasons". (I need to protect my "brand" and such nonsense)

GOG wants to do now more linux support...but you can already easily play yr gog games. Same goes for Epic. Windows store however doesnt work, as MS is using this UWP filesystem stuff for it. Which btw was the sole reason Valve started to go to linux when it was introduced. Gotta need some exit strategy, in case MS goes completely nuts and makes Windows a closed walled garden. UWP is exclusive to MS.

 

[Topher]

They dont need to invite anybody, because anybody is already there and its free for everyone to be on board. The ones who arent there...are the ones who dont want to be there for "reasons". (I need to protect my "brand" and such nonsense)

GOG wants to do now more linux support...but you can already easily play yr gog games. Same goes for Epic. Windows store however doesnt work, as MS is using this UWP filesystem stuff for it. Which btw was the sole reason Valve started to go to linux when it was introduced. Gotta need some exit strategy, in case MS goes completely nuts and makes Windows a closed walled garden. UWP is exclusive to MS.

 

[SScorpio]

The only way Steam machine can be more open than Helix is if they invite other stores to make app for it.

Otherwise its a grey area.

From my POV Helix is more open cause it opens the way for other stores.

Valve even subsidised Steam Deck. They are comfortable in knowledge nobody would wipe OS from that.

SteamOS from day one had the ability to add other stores or link non-Steam games. The underlying OS is just Linux and you can install whatever you want on it. EA and Ubisoft have games on Steam that first launch their own launcher and then into the game. Those work just fine on SteamOS.

Valve released Windows drivers for the Steam Deck. Anyone can install Windows if they so choose. The Deck also was not subsidized. It was sold at cost with no margin for the base model, with the higher storage models having some buffer.

I'm not sure how Helix would be more open. Microsoft could port the Windows Store to Linux and it would run on SteamOS. They just choose not to.

It remains to be seen just how "open" Helix ends up being. If you can't wipe it and install whatever you want on it, then no it's not an open system.

 

[intheinbetween]

Oh I can't wait to see what AI powered shit MS dumps on us.

Probably same shit Sony is working on for the next PS

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You've said the plan is still multiple stores. Have you heard whether Valve was onboard with this?

In all honesty it had always been Steam that was mentioned and it was only recently the wording has been "and other store fronts" so I guess it could be taken as only a select few?

 

[Topher]

In all honesty it had always been Steam that was mentioned and it was only recently the wording has been "and other store fronts" so I guess it could be taken as only a select few?

Steam would be the natural assumption, but it takes two to tango. Epic is obviously on board, but without Steam.....not much point to any of this "other store" stuff.

 

[reinking]

The only thing I know 100% from this thread, console wars are back on the menu...

 

[Shogmaster]

Well what better time to join the PC family than with modern day Windows

Hey, that's what he wants. He wants a gaming rig.

I wonder if Winhence will work on Helix without breaking stuff. I Winhence my Winfows 11 installs. Stripped all the AI Copilot shit and other annoying stuff.

 

[Cyborg]

This will cost a lot

 

[adamsapple]

The only thing I know 100% from this thread, console wars are back on the menu...

Back?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Steam would be the natural assumption, but it takes two to tango. Epic is obviously on board, but without Steam.....not much point to any of this "other store" stuff.

Not sure if Jez has been told this or just his assumptions but I am leaning towards someone has told him to put this info out there

"As such, Xbox Helix will be the most open Xbox ever. You'll be able to boot up the Windows Desktop from here, and install other PC stores such as Steam, Epic Games, GOG, Riot Client, Battle.net, and much more"

https://www.windowscentral.com/gami...asha-sharma-re-affirms-new-xbox-is-on-the-way

 

[Tobimacoss]

SteamOS from day one had the ability to add other stores or link non-Steam games. The underlying OS is just Linux and you can install whatever you want on it. EA and Ubisoft have games on Steam that first launch their own launcher and then into the game. Those work just fine on SteamOS.

Valve released Windows drivers for the Steam Deck. Anyone can install Windows if they so choose. The Deck also was not subsidized. It was sold at cost with no margin for the base model, with the higher storage models having some buffer.

I'm not sure how Helix would be more open. Microsoft could port the Windows Store to Linux and it would run on SteamOS. They just choose not to.

It remains to be seen just how "open" Helix ends up being. If you can't wipe it and install whatever you want on it, then no it's not an open system.

SteamOS isn't as open as you think it is. It's like Android, open in name only, not practicality for the average user.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

imo this is a 50/50 chance of ever releasing. But, if it does release, I think this is Xbox washing their hands of hardware, here's why:

This is Xbox throwing their large library customers one last bone, here's an open platform pc, with a bluray drive and chip to play Xbox games. Yea it's expensive cause it's not subsidized with xbox functionality. Take it or leave it. We're done.

 

[MetalGearMoh]

As someone that goes back and forth being a PC gamer, this could be a nice entry point back. Thats if you're like me and rather play on the couch. Should also be much cheaper than building your own PC at similar specs.