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Asha Sharma: Next Xbox Project Name: "Helix" - Will 'lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games'

adamsapple said:
ok?

We've been hearing about the Xbox hybrid since around 2023, early 2024, from HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 , long before anyone else's input on the matter.

That and saying no less than a month ago that Phil's retirement puts a pin on future Xbox HW is a pretty noteworthy thing to get wrong. 🤷‍♂️

If you're gonna try to squirm semantics in here and say 'but he's talking about Xbox HW, not a hybrid PC HW' then you can go down that road alone.
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I took that to mean current plans are moving forward but he sees an end coming. Not that it was happening today. With what K KeplerL2 just said about the deal being for multiple generations, I now think at minimum OEM Xbox's will be around longer. Hmm... I am suddenly more interested in how MS is going to handle software a bit farther into the future.
 
reinking said:
I took that to mean current plans are moving forward but he sees an end coming. Not that it was happening today. With what K KeplerL2 just said about the deal being for multiple generations, I now think at minimum OEM Xbox's will be around longer. Hmm... I am suddenly more interested in how MS is going to handle software a bit farther into the future.
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I think it's fair and easy to assume that in future games formatted for Magnus/Helix will most likely be the/or very similar to/ PC code of those games.

Like how Steam Deck often gets dedicated preset modes for it, games could have Magnus specific modes tailored to perform the best on that hardware, but might also allow further tinkering like a hybrid PC solution would.

Are exclusives back on the table? I think that's a tall ask but would not be surprised if they at least try to experiment with a couple of lower profile games to see the reception.
 
vodka-bull said:
Will lead in performance until a PS6 pro waits around the corner.

I'm really confused by microsofts strategy with this one. People who are big into PC gaming alreqdy own a PC that's probably better than this Xbox.

It's 25% stronger, but if it runs on Windows or even a modified version of it, that's gonna be the bottleneck which will make the 25% more power (compared to PS6) obsolete.

Everything is an XBox and microsofts streaming service is so good, I don't need to have the games stored anywhere to reduce lag because there barely is any.

On top of that they'll continue releasing their games on PS6.

If that thing is a console they gonna need a high install base to be a competitor to PS6. Which they'll get with lots of good exclusives. They won't achieve it with opening up their entire gaming library to everyone.

If it's a PC, they won't come close to the benefits of a real PC (free games…), it's too expensive to compete with a Steam Machine (which can also Stream gamepass just fine) and notnpowerful enough to compete with real machines from hatdcore PC players.

I mean I understand the idea of Sony to compete with PCs, as there is nothing else left to compete against in the console market. But microsofts strategy makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Still wish them luck though. In the end, the consumers benefit the most if Sony has to up their game to not lose their customers.
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Standardized pc for console gamers and use the efficiency gained for all windows devices thus this is a windows expansion move. All future devices will have these features and msft focusing on software. After standardization pick your path: prebuilt, build yourself, buy used, streaming devices ect..

That's all this is imo while adding pc software advances.

Msft theoretically can take something like rare games on xbone add 4k, path tracing and resell it to outside its ecosystem and reduce quality to hit sw2/ps5/ps5p.

Just my thoughts.
 
Tobimacoss said:
Reports are MS wants to do a handheld of their own maybe a year after the first party consoles. They did say first party CONSOLES. I think AT2 and AT3 will be the two consoles, and let OEMs handle the rest. Hopefully they're smart enough to do a Surface gaming laptop using AT3.
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0 chance, they know the Xbox Rog Ally X numbers.
 
adamsapple said:
If you're gonna try to squirm semantics in here and say 'but he's talking about Xbox HW, not a hybrid PC HW' then you can go down that road alone.
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Why don't you just ask him? It isn't hard.

S SneakersSO can you clarify what you said when Phil Spencer's retirement was announced?

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I mean, if it costs over twice as much as the PS6 this better lead in performance, by a lot.

Also, this is kind of an admission that they do not expect to ship too many of these machines.
 
Topher said:
I get that there is reason to not take his words as gospel truth. I certainly haven't. There is no reason to outright dismiss everything thing he says just because you don't like what he is saying either.
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While I agree to some extent, I think this is not a question of whether you like what a "leaker" says or not, but whether what he says ends up being true or not, and when he crosses the line where he starts to lose credibility. An he has crosses BIG a lot of lines yet.

adamsapple said:
Like I said, confirmation bias. It's pretty plain to see.
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Well, after spending over a year claiming that Microsoft had finished off Xbox hardware, insisting on it until a week ago despite all signs pointing to the contrary, including other users/sources here with considerable credibility also indicating the opposite. After announcing things like the end of third-party support for the Xbox Series starting in 2025 for that very reason, and announcing massive layoffs and the closure of several studios in January, only to then announce that it's becoming a publisher like EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two, etc....
The same person who claims to have own information that corroborates Bloomberg info about Sony has reversed its PC strategy,..... but who, curiously, we've never seen predict or anticipate the massive layoffs and studio closures by Sony, nor predict or proclaim the existence of the massive investment in Gaas games and the cancellation of numerous projects. Nor did they anticipate the arrival of PS games on other platforms like Switch and XBOX (among other things, they denied the possibility of seeing Helldivers 2 on XS)....

Then you also see this:

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If It we're Jez Corden, we'd already have several threads mocking how he's trying to backtrack and adjust his narrative and save face from ridicule while still delivering his typical, clearly biased and fanboyish message!.

I find it hard to believe that a person cannot see or identify that bias in him, and yet the same person finds it very easy when it's Jez, for example.🤷
 
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Tobimacoss said:
Reports are MS wants to do a handheld of their own maybe a year after the first party consoles. They did say first party CONSOLES. I think AT2 and AT3 will be the two consoles, and let OEMs handle the rest. Hopefully they're smart enough to do a Surface gaming laptop using AT3.
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How many devices to you have Microsoft making or attached to the Xbox name? You seem to think there will be an unlimited number of OEMs and MS are also going to be doing at least three SKUs on their own. Or, will every AMD be considered an Xbox now? Every Windows PC? Just curious what the expectations are.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Seemed like a pretty logical guess at the time but word got out fast HW was moving forward
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Not fast enough to some, I guess, cause he was saying the same thing a few days later.

SneakersSO said:
A change in direction in this regard would basically cut off billions of dollars of revenue that are set to come in from the other platforms, cost billions to both spin-up more production lines on the current Series machines and redesign the direction of the next machine, which they aren't doing at all, and then start reigning in budgets on games in production, games which aren't even going to be generationally exclusive (meaning they were gonna launch as PS5/6, Xbox Series, Switch 2, Steam, etc.), not even exclusive within its own ecosystem.
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Matt Leblanc Whatever GIF
 
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alabtrosMyster said:
I mean, if it costs over twice as much as the PS6 this better lead in performance, by a lot.

Also, this is kind of an admission that they do not expect to ship too many of these machines.
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I don't see this moving units past $999. PC gamers will stick to their current rigs, this hybrod will still end up selling mostly to the hardcore Xbox fanbase even if Microsoft are trying to get eyes on PC gamers as well.

I guess for people looking to get into PC gaming, this might be the best bang for your buck gaming PC when it releases. Nvidia 5080 level raster with 5090 level ray-tracing would be a hell of deal for less than $1500.
 
adamsapple said:
Not fast enough to some, I guess, cause he was saying the same thing a few days later.



Matt Leblanc Whatever GIF
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I think he was still speculating and just had not heard from whatever his sources are

Word was getting out pretty fast even that day the changes were announced that HW was still coming, I even stated that very early on

HeisenbergFX4 said:
Scratch what I said earlier, word is they are full steam ahead with their hardware
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
I think he was still speculating and just had not heard from whatever his sources are

Word was getting out pretty fast even that day the changes were announced that HW was still coming, I even stated that very early on
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I'll be frank, I don't put much stock into forum insiders but there's only maybe 2, 3 I think are trustworthy, which includes NatetheHate, yourself and Shinobi.
 
Darsxx82 said:
Well, after spending over a year claiming that Microsoft had finished off Xbox hardware, insisting on it until a week ago despite all signs pointing to the contrary, including other users/sources here with considerable credibility also indicating the opposite. 🤷
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To be fair, S SneakersSO made the point that he was making some assumptions based on the data he had seen and that Microsoft very well could be going forward with plans with hardware. I remember because I emphasized this to people who were saying that Microsoft was done with Xbox hardware completely. He was wrong about the January layoffs clearly.

HeisenbergFX4 said:
I think he was still speculating and just had not heard from whatever his sources are

Word was getting out pretty fast even that day the changes were announced that HW was still coming, I even stated that very early on
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The first paragraph of that quote he says "But just speaking from publicly available information, lets play out that scenario.".

Sounds hypothetical to me.
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Seemed like a pretty logical guess at the time but word got out fast HW was moving forward
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The thing is, it's hard to believe it's a "simple guess based on a moment" when he's been defending it for over a year, even when all the signs pointed to the contrary, until the day and after the new CEO herself said and confirmed in her presentation that there would be a new "Xbox console" and that it would be a pillar two weeks ago.

Edit: I just read your other posts. I understand now đź‘Ť

Topher said:
Many of us speculated the same thing. Comments from a guy like S SneakersSO are taken very seriously even one just in passing.
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When you let people think that everything you say is based on official information or is part of it... the fault lies with you, especially when you see that statement go viral and you don't bother to clarify what is opinion/speculation and what is information.

It's an attitude we've always criticized and condemned here of Jez, and we understood it as deceiving users...... and not as a mistake on the part of users for not knowing how to distinguish between speculation and information when they say something.
 
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reinking said:
How many devices to you have Microsoft making or attached to the Xbox name? You seem to think there will be an unlimited number of OEMs and MS are also going to be doing at least three SKUs on their own. Or, will every AMD be considered an Xbox now? Every Windows PC? Just curious what the expectations are.
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Not every device running AMD. But every device running Magnus, the CPU SOC paired up with any of the 5 GPU dies is an Xbox device, should have full BC and FC theoretically. Jez said OEMs are doing both the Super Premium and Cheaper consoles than MS first party.

AT0 - xCloud, done by MS, and discrete AMD flagship GPU

AT1 - if it isn't scrapped, Xbox PCs by pretty much all 5 major OEMs, and discrete gpu as well

AT2 - Xbox Premium Console, done by MS, and higher spec Elite consoles (storage, ram) done by atleast Asus, maybe Lenovo too (would sell better in china), could even get Samsung on board for Asia regions. Could be used in Xbox PCs or just regular PCs (if AT1 is scrapped) or discrete graphics as well.

AT3 - for laptops, I am hoping MS does Surface gaming laptop. All major OEMs will do Laptops with it, even if not Magnus powered. Can also be used for a cheaper Console by MS or Asus

AT4 - Handhelds by Asus, Lenovo, MSI for sure, those handhelds also act as entry point consoles. Asus could do a Console with it too.

I expect Asus and Samsung partnerships to be the strongest. Dell and HP are playing a wait and see game. Acer likely wants to get on board. Every OEM has their own gaming brand.

To answer your question, 4 form factors by OEMs, PCs, Laptops, Consoles, Handhelds. One SKU of PC, one SKU of Laptop, two SKUs of Handhelds, two SKUs of Consoles by whichever OEM wants to get involved. So 6 sets of devices for the full portfolio.
 
Darsxx82 said:
When you let people think that everything you say is based on official information or is part of it... the fault lies with you, especially when you see that statement go viral and you don't bother to clarify what is opinion/speculation and what is information.

It's an attitude we've always criticized and condemned here of Jez, and we understood it as deceiving users...... and not as a mistake on the part of users for not knowing how to distinguish between speculation and information when they say something.
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That's what I was saying. Offhand comments are going to be taken seriously and scrutinized. Have to be careful with what you say.

Jez talks out of his ass regularly on twitter as part of his engagement strategy. I have said plenty of times that Jez on twitter is like a different person than Jez the writer for Windows Central. Twitter Jez is the one that acts like a clown and so he brings this on himself as well.

S SneakersSO doesn't have nearly the content volume as Jez and he gets nothing from it. Personally, I'm going to give a fellow forum member a bit more benefit of the doubt. I do the same for K KeplerL2 and HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 .
 
I'm trying to get my head around the nextbox and came to the following conclusion. I believe the Xbox portion of the hybrid will purely be for BC games from Xbox 360, one and series era. That's all the AMD SoC will handle by means of raw power I guess. All "Xbox" games going forward will simply be PC games running on the Xbox full screen experience on top of a Win11/12/ custom OS. So unless you do need the 360, one and series BC (most series games are already PC anyway) the nextbox is not really necessary if you got a decent PC and only want to play MS game studios games from now going forward as all will be PC anyway. If you do not have a PC but a series x/s console, the hybrid will offer ZEN 6/ RDNA 5 features on a single chip with 32-48gb shared memory for about $1000-1500. Surely it would be cheaper/ same price to build a small compact PC with a dedicated CPU/ GPU and run it in full screen experience and keep the series console for BC purposes?

I probably got it wrong but that's what I think. For me the nextbox is of no interest. I had the OG Xbox, 360, Xbox one and series x. Had the series x 3 times and sold it each time as it collected dust. Went with PC (5090/ 9800x3d/ 32gb DDR5), ps5 pro and switch 2 and in my scenario the Xbox and nextbox make no sense. I will upgrade to the 6000 series and PS6 and switch 2 oled in the future. So unless you are an Xbox only gamer who wants to retain their Xbox library and don't want to build their own compact PC, I can't see the appeal for the nextbox
 
demigod said:
You wanna explain how i can play steam games on my pc and steam deck there champ?

The PS6 handheld will have to be able to play PS6 games or it'll be DoA.
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You want me explain to you how PC works? O...k....

Doesn't Steam Deck have "Deck ready" certification for games on Steam store so that you dont buy one for your Deck that runs like dog shit?

Do you think Sony should allow PS6 games to run on PS6HH that runs like dog shit?

There. I explained how PC works. Hope that helped you.
 
Shogmaster said:
PS6 games on PS6bHH is going to be a total mess...

1. No way 3rd party will let you play same code on both. Can you imagine settings menu nightmare? Choosing performance and quality mode for both consoles versions on one software? They gonna collectively say Fuuuuuuck dat!

2. I'm betting they will want to charge say $25 to download HH tweaked code. You won't get HH code for free. It takes too much time and manpower to give that away for free. Sony 1st party stuff? Maybe. 3rd party titles? No way.
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Bro actually retarded or??
 
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Tobimacoss said:
playday.one

*Updated: Xbox Helix Development Portal details may have leaked

Update: While there's always bound to be tons of speculation and conjecture on projects of this nature , we can at least say that in this instance that
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Interesting if true.

At least 32 GB unified RAM available for Devs, so 36 GB total basically confirmed.

Not liking the online multiplayer requirement.
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"Xbox Game Pass Core is required for MP in Game Mode but not Windows Mode"

That's bullshit. No way MS does something that stupid.

"post on noted hellsite 4chan"

And then there's that
 
Topher said:
"Xbox Game Pass Core is required for MP in Game Mode but not Windows Mode"

That's bullshit. No way MS does something that stupid.

"post on noted hellsite 4chan"

And then there's that
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Yea, hopefully that is either fake or just temporary as to not make headlines earlier than planned.
 
Topher said:
"Xbox Game Pass Core is required for MP in Game Mode but not Windows Mode"

That's bullshit. No way MS does something that stupid.

"post on noted hellsite 4chan"

And then there's that
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Gotta keep that reoccurring revenue coming in....

"Windows 11 Helix (Recommended)"

New version of Windows to play xbox games on Helix compatible apus?
 
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