JayK47
Member
I guess I can only speak for myself and say I will not ever pay $1000 for a console. If they get that expensive, I will just replay old games or do something else.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Sony hikes up PS5 pricing in April: PS5 – $649.99, PS5 Digital Edition – $599.99 PS5 Pro – $899.99, Portal $249.99
- Thread starter ShaiKhulud1989
- Start date
- Business
troubledApplicant
Neo Member
Good Guy SONY making me work on my backlog... I will drop playing ONLINE multiplayer rather than pay those prices..
buhbye...
buhbye...
Manic27
Member
I used to buy all of the consoles plus a decked out PC. In recent years I've just focused on PC gaming and basically have no interest left in getting a console anymore. It was great back in the day, but I'm not buying a bunch of consoles that share like 95% of the same library. It's not worth it for the few exclusive games for me anymore. If I went with any console it would be Switch 2 anyway.
ReBurn
Gold Member
It's nature's way of telling us all to touch grass.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
Xbox has to get rid of live gold with a multi storefront ecosystem.
Honestly, they suck dick, but their ecosystem seems better than shoveling money into Concord-shaped holes with PS6
Honestly, they suck dick, but their ecosystem seems better than shoveling money into Concord-shaped holes with PS6
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Back in the day for casuals who only bough maybe 5-10 games lifetime a $199 Playstation was hard to beat.
But 800? Bye bye casuals.
Pasta la Vista
Member
I know what it won't cost, a monthly fee to play games online.
Joe Cool
Gold Member
Back in the day for casuals who only bough maybe 5-10 games lifetime a $199 Playstation was hard to beat.
But 800? Bye bye casuals.
I just watched that in 4K tonight! Loved the transfer, and it is one of my all-time favorite movies.
And not just casuals... Gaming is my core form of entertainment, always has been. I am watching a PUBG stream on Twitch on my PS5, and I watched Aliens in 4K on my PS5 before that. When I am not gaming on my PS5, I am often consuming other types of media through it. Spending $960 for a console, though? It's insanity to me.
I've gamed across most of the major consoles since Atari 2600 and NES, and I am hard-pressed to think that I'd just say, "Oh well!" and traipse into a store and plunk down 960 simoleons for a console just to make sure I get 60fps and better resolutions until...until what, the $1,200 PlayStation 6 in 3 or 4 years??? Even with the disposable income, how is that value proposition in the console market? The point of consoles is their price and conveniences compared to PC. (PC has a multitude of its own benefits, so I am not talking trash about PC with that statement.) At this point, it looks like PC is finally the way to go for me despite my reluctance. I have a Switch 2 and I feel like I should spend more time with it now. I don't know, I'm an old, frustrated gamer so please pardon my rant ha ha!
PlayStaytion
Member
Causes don't matter that much, we just want good games, I could name way better 7th gen games. This time seriously, shitty games needs to stop for a healthier eco system, we don't want naive devs using next gen hardware as an excuse to build their careers when they clearly don't have a solid history on making good games, launch titles should be exclusive to select proven studios from their track record.
cripterion
Member
This world is nuts... Like the digital PS5 doubled in price compared to launch. Just crazy
Cakeboxer
Member
100% fake. Sony is not stupid.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.
PS5 and Xbox consoles have been out for over 5 years. For some old gens, new consoles would already be out. But more recently, the gens last longer.
Either way, consoles should be bargain binned at minimum 50% off by now. Yet here we are, the consoles are what? Around 30% higher?
If this was a past gen, $500 launch systems would be $250 by now. Ok, maybe edged up to $300 if needed. Now the base disc models are $650! lol
Dazraell
Member
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The Sony one has been going HARD for years now.
Steve Holt
Member
That discord channel must have been chaotic the past 5 years
Blaming developers for awful Series S performance coordinated defence and spinning the narrative from Jason Ronald's dreadful and misleading marketing video.
Pushing the message about taking your uber expensive proprietary storage card to a friend's house and why it's better than a non-propiertary and cheaper product.
Let Microsoft compete and buy Activision.
Only 4 games, just a nothing burger.
Everyone will be becoming third party.
Consoles are dead we all play on Steam now.
It's been entertaining seeing the mega shilling effort.
kazuyamishima
Member
Haint
Member
Fake, but also not fake. Sony recently told investors that they will mitigate RAMageddon price hikes (which will crater their new user base growth) by extracting more revenue from existing users and existing online services. In other words they plan to hike PS+ to offset the loss of new users and new hardware sales.
Last edited:
Cakeboxer
Member
I'm not ruling out further increases, but 100%? No way.
Bojji
Member
I think it's it fake. But if they wanna go hard, now is the time, they have free pass before GTA6 launch.
Haint
Member
I'd put highest odds on a 50% hike. I agree 100%'s incredibly unlikely.
MCH2024
Member
I never cared about what he said. Sony CFO literally said they will increase PS Plus Price indirectly:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but network services revenue is just PS Plus. And there is only way they can "increase network services revenue".
It's coming with in 2026/2027 1,000,000%.
I expect they will pull an Xbox and Cancel annual and 3 month PS Plus plans as a way of avoiding officially hiking the price.
Hyper_hyper
Member
Nvm.
Last edited:
vaibhavpisal
Member
If stuff like Concord bothers you, you are not ready for Xbox ecosystem.
Its not for faint of the heart.
Imagine how Xbox One users must've felt when their system was $100 more expensive and weaker. Just one of the examples.
Its crazy.
Hudo
Member
It's nice to be reminded what Sony's industrial design department can put out. I guess they were on vacation during the development of PS5.My kids all got forced into early teenage jobs. They all got bank accounts early and I could do cool shit like posting: "$25 to weed the mulch beds" into the family group chat and they'd compete or collaborate to get it. They relate their money to sweaty hard work more than most people probably do. But I even see their friends being a less spendy then I was at their age. IDK, their interest is the best anecdotal I've got to how console makers are attracting the younger generation, and it seems to track a little bit with the articles that come out. To get me back into consoles, I want Sony to accept their audience is adults and drop a $1,500 audiophile grade ES badged Playstation. Always dreamed of a Playstation dressed up like an EX receiver.
or at least make it able to replace a WiiM. I think that is totally reasonable, they'd just have to raise the BOM a bit on those internals and I/O. PS3 was headed that direction and the 4 stripped every bit of it.
WiiM Ultra | The Ultimate Digital Hub for Your Music
The WiiM Ultra redefines your audio experience by bringing Hi-Res streaming capabilities, advanced room correction, and smart home integration to your existing setup, be it powered speakers or amplifiers. It seamlessly connects with a wide range of devices, offering a versatile audio solution.www.wiimhome.com
Physiognomonics
Member
This at least showed us that they were been very greedy with the disc version. Now suddenly the true gap between models is only $50 and not $100?
Hyper_hyper
Member
At local retailers in my country PS5Pro sold out. LOL
Hyper_hyper
Member
Increased monetization doesn't necessarily mean PS+ price hikes , just anything that drives additional spend, like Sony said users are buying more higher tiers for a longer period, more high margin accessories, merchandise, even bundles ( possible ones GTA6 bundle in future). I think Sony will rely this year on 1st party game sales, GTA 6 sales especially , GTA6 bundles wich should push PS5 sales by a good number and PS+ upgrades. Anyway:
squallbr
Member
are you sure???
MCH2024
Member
Bro she said increase software sales AND network services revenue. That's PS Plus.
PS Plus has no subscriber count growth. It's been stuck at ~50m for years. There is only one way to increase that revenue and you know it.
No need to cope.
It's possible though that Sony cannot possibly milk PS base any harder and they back off. Aka them realizing that if they charge more for online than 79.99$ a year, they will a lot of subscribers. Thus why they decided on this price increase.
But investors will ask them what happened to that network services revenue increase they talked about.
Last edited:
Hyper_hyper
Member
I'm not coping. LOL
Just saying software and service revenue aren't necessarily nor 100% PS+ price hike.
MCH2024
Member
Network services revenue is 100% PS+. And PS plus has no subscriber count growth for years. The only way to increase that is a higher PS+ cost.
Now it's possible they back off. But I think they will just cancel the yearly plan to do a stealth PS+ price hike.
Hyper_hyper
Member
It isn't PS+ strictly. PSN users grew up to 132+ mil. in last Q. Bunch of PSN users are playing F2P games like Warzone or Fortnite or Apex. Guess what, you can earn revenue by selling cosmetics and other shit. Go figure. :/
Last edited:
Pasta la Vista
Member
He must be poor since he's picking it up before the price increase, right guys?That's the spirit
MCH2024
Member
Classified under software. Network services is just PS Plus.
Do I really have to spill it out? Fine. Sony already said this to investors.
1. "Focus on Monetizing the installed base"
Shift focus from growing player base to monetizing the existing base to drive growth; this is necessary because the PS4 holdouts are not upgrading, not at 549$ or 649$. And very few people would downgrade from PC to PS5 Pro. Thus there is no need for Sony to subsidize hardware anymore, thus the PS5 Price Hikes we saw.
2. "Growing software revenue"
30% cut on GTA VI on PS5 with near defacto monopoly on the game for a year. (Xbox doesn't matter). Plus the live service games they haven't cancelled that they hope will actually land. (They will flop).
3. "Growing network services revenue"
Upcoming PS PLUS Price Hikes. They can either hike the price or stop offering annual and 3-month plans. And by targeting the base tier they can induce people to upgrade to the higher tiers.
They have discovered they have a base of at least 45-50 million that absolutely need online. So those will be milked. Sony has no intention of stopping their profit growth just because memory is expensive.
Last edited:
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Am I crazy thinking it makes sense to go all in on PlayStation and buy a second system to have easier access to online coop?
I have a launch Ps5 that is gathering dust and has been sine Astro Bot. I have 2 decent gaming PCs and a Switch 2. Also have kids aged ~ 10 and 7. Use case I am looking at is playing online coop together in the same house.
Coop on PC and Switch is kind of cunty. Requiring 2 full copies of a game I am not even sure will be fun to play together just sucks when we are talking about one family purchasing 2x the hardware and committing pretty hard to your fucking ecosystem. Doing it through GamePass is also a pain in the ass, though we only ever tried it with Minecraft and that required setting up 2 discord accounts, etc.
Sony appears to be rather consumer friendly with game sharing and co-op so I am seriously considering a second PS5 for this possibility. Anything I am missing that might make this a bad idea?
Are there actually good online coop games on PS5 apart from the obvious ones that are also couch coop. Are there any couch coop games that work in full screen online coop similarly to the split screen mode?
I have a launch Ps5 that is gathering dust and has been sine Astro Bot. I have 2 decent gaming PCs and a Switch 2. Also have kids aged ~ 10 and 7. Use case I am looking at is playing online coop together in the same house.
Coop on PC and Switch is kind of cunty. Requiring 2 full copies of a game I am not even sure will be fun to play together just sucks when we are talking about one family purchasing 2x the hardware and committing pretty hard to your fucking ecosystem. Doing it through GamePass is also a pain in the ass, though we only ever tried it with Minecraft and that required setting up 2 discord accounts, etc.
Sony appears to be rather consumer friendly with game sharing and co-op so I am seriously considering a second PS5 for this possibility. Anything I am missing that might make this a bad idea?
Are there actually good online coop games on PS5 apart from the obvious ones that are also couch coop. Are there any couch coop games that work in full screen online coop similarly to the split screen mode?
Last edited:
MCH2024
Member
Doesn't PC have steam family sharing?
Actually look into this:
Steam Remote Play
Play your games in exciting new ways with Steam Remote Play.
Last edited:
Hyper_hyper
Member
Nope. Like it is officially said. PSN users are buying more yearly subs. Also, growing software AND network revenue.
"further expand our software and network service revenue."
They've never mentioned ONLY network revenue in their reports. You are doing that.
Last edited:
KungFucius
King Snowflake
To both play on Steam I had to share to my son's account , then disconnect from the internet. From what I have read for co-op you need to disconnect both PCs from the internet and play LAN.Doesn't PC have steam family sharing?
Actually look into this:
Steam Remote Play
Play your games in exciting new ways with Steam Remote Play.store.steampowered.com
EDIT - the above is for local multiplayer games. This is pretty good for that purpose.
Last edited:
MCH2024
Member
Yes they are buying more yearly subs because they made monthly and 3-month plans into sucker plans as a way of increasing revenue.
And again she said and, both software and network.
Look, all the following has been tapped out:
1. PS Plus upselling: they have already managed to convince a decent % to pay more for PS Plus higher tiers by downgrading the low one.
2. PS Plus Sub growth: PS Plus has stalled at 50m. The price is too high to push beyond that.
So how do you increase network revenue if you can't add new expensive tiers and you can't grow the number of subscribers?
By increasing the price.
The sony CFO knows that, every investors listening to the call and paying attention to Sony stock already knows that.
I expect that they will make the price increase as a part of the PS6 generation. Something like PS Plus annual plans only work on PS5. Thus bundling the cost increase with PS6 the same way they bundled PS+ requirement with PS4 and 70$ games with PS5.
Last edited:
MCH2024
Member
You are using the wrong feature. Steam family sharing is not meant for this. That's so your family members can access your games and play them when you are offline. This limitation is to prevent people fraudulently from buying a game once and then sharing it with multiple people to lower the effective price.
The steam feature you are looking for is steam play together.
PC is still a PC. They can't possibly stop you from just remoting in from another PC and playing COOP. The major issue is that windows can't recognize two keyboards and two mice being independent. So it's limited to controllers practically.
If a game dev blocked support for steam remote play together, just use parsec.
Last edited:
DaleinCalgary
Getting the shaft
Nintendo better be working on a non screen version to hold the same price or they are screwed.
MCH2024
Member
Nah. Nintendo is much smarter than Sony. The Switch2 BoM is very manageable.
Superior Nvidia technology purchased at cost: I don't know what words Nintendo spoke to Jensen to convince him to sell an Ampere+ 10nm SoC at 40$. (Basically cost).
This is important because the performance/$ of a Nvidia Ampere SoC purchased at cost is astronomical.
They also didn't follow Sony's Bozo Commodity maxing strategy.
Switch2 has a 256GB UFS3.1 Storage. (PCIe 2.0 class speed). And it has 2x6GB of bottom bin garbage LPDDR5-6400.
Their BoM is very manageable compared with Sony's. And Nintendo can finish off Sony with a Switch 2 Pro that's just Switch2 + SoC ported to a 3nm process. That would just be twisting the knife.
Last edited:
DaleinCalgary
Getting the shaft
Maybe, you seem to know more about the build than I do. Nintendo needs a screenless version anyway, there is no way I canplay either the first one or second without my hands hurting. Both pro controllers are nice but a bit small.
Last edited:
Hyper_hyper
Member
You are dissmising software revenue on purpose. You are ignoring PSN users who aren't PS+ sub. users. You are just putting effort on STRICTLY network revenue and PS+ sub users only like software doesn't exist nor PSN users in their reports. But keep going.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
This only appears to support local multiplayer games. It looks like a good option for that, but doesn't seem to work for online coop games. Honestly I don't give a shit when companies do something because of potential dishonest use, a middle ground would be to offer a cheaper license that is co-op only and keep the single player part one person at a time. People are going to pirate shit regardless. How may people really have people in their family groups that aren't friend or family?
I suppose another feature that is desirable is ease of jumping in. My 7 year old can turn on a TV and a console. My 10 year old can sort of turn on the PC and boot something up but that's not a sure thing. If they both want to play while I am busy, it's a little annoying.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
It seems like Nintendo considers the Switch screen important to the brand so I doubt this will happen. Who would buy a $50 dollar cheaper non screen unit? I can't see them squeezing out 100 out of such a change.