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[nial]

I doubt this will be replicated next gen. Unless PS6 launches in current PS5 DE price.

But Sony did not stop production of old consoles after next gen launch, it still goes on for years.

It will when you have shortages + price increases. At least with the chip mess in the pandemic, that was just shortages. And it's not like PS4 wasn't a very good value proposition at launch, the fact that PS3 was still kicking along in those years, which was not the case with PS4, shows what you refuse to see for some reason.

And Sony did not have to increase the price of their consoles six years in. That proves nothing.

 

[Brucey]

What does this to prove in relation to the current manufacturing environments, lol.
PS3 (87.4M LTD) sold 10.1M between April 2013 and March 2015, while PS4 (117M LTD) sold 6.8M between April 2020 and March 2022. That should be enough to tell you.

Enough to tell us they didnt immediately stop manufacturing of current gen when next gen launched......

 

[Hyper_hyper]

It doesn't matter, and you still play with the logic that the disc model stopped being sold at a loss ever since 2021. This is not the case.

Don't twist my words again ti prove your false claim. That's fuckin sick. Are you so obtuse?

Anyway, economical situation changed significantly in last 3 years. Now i dunno.

Is the disc model the only PS5 available? Even if it did stop selling at a loss in August 2021 (something that, again, wasn't the case anymore later on), the ENTIRE hardware line was still reporting losses for Sony up to 2024.

How the hell you can ask is PS5 disc model only available when i said that very vest majority of sales before were Disc version. And i said this :

There is no IF. Wast majority of sales were Disc Based version. That was a thing until Slim version and optional Disc Drive at the end of 2023.

 

[mckmas8808]

I bIought a ps5 slim with disc drive just a couple months ago to play Death Stranding 2. Might just sell it now bc not much on the horizon for me besides GTA6.

I never believe people who talk like this. No way you're being honest. Who would buy a PS5 the Holiday of 2025, and then say there's nothing coming out for it in 2026?

Like come on bruh! Be for real..... You love Xbox, right?

 

[nial]

Enough to tell us they didnt immediately stop manufacturing of current gen when next gen launched......

Sure! But they did scale it down massively, and the situation is worse now:

It will when you have shortages + price increases. At least with the chip mess in the pandemic, that was just shortages.

Don't twist my words again ti prove your false claim. That's fuckin sick. Are you so obtuse?

Do you expect me to remember that throwaway comment when all you're saying is "the disc model stopped being sold at a loss since 2021!"?

How the hell you can ask is PS5 disc model only available when i said that very vest majority of sales before were Disc version. And i said this :

It was still a thing in 2023 with the Slim version and Sony was still reporting losses afterwards. The point is that they were generally losing money on hardware all the way to 2024, stop messing around and acknowledge this fact once for all.

 

[Bojji]

It will when you have shortages + price increases. At least with the chip mess in the pandemic, that was just shortages. And it's not like PS4 wasn't a very good value proposition at launch, the fact that PS3 was still kicking along in those years, which was not the case with PS4, shows what you refuse to see for some reason.

And Sony did not have to increase the price of their consoles six years in. That proves nothing.

You think they did it for fun?

I think their last financial report proved that they were still losing some money on PS5 unit, and that was with super cheap RAM and NAND...

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Do you expect me to remember that throwaway comment when all you're saying is "the disc model stopped being sold at a loss since 2021!"?

So, PS5 Disc version was stopped selling at loss announced in Summer 2021 Vast majority of sales were Disc version : +80% globally. That's huge difference

Econimical situation changed in last 3 years. Especially when Slim came with optional Disc Drive

It was still a thing in 2023 with the Slim version and Sony was still reporting losses afterwards. The point is that they were generally losing money on hardware all the way to 2024, stop messing around and acknowledge this fact once for all.

I've said, economical situation changed in last 3 years, which is go figure, year 2023 when also Slim arrived. They haven't sold entire PS5 lineup of loss till 2023 because very vast majority of PS5 sales was a Disc version and because i implied heavily and mentioned what happened since 2023. But surely after that, i'm strongly believe they were selling PS5 at loss.

 

[nial]

You think they did it for fun?

I think their last financial report proved that they were still losing some money on PS5 unit, and that was with super cheap RAM and NAND...

You're LITERALLY proving my point.

 

[nial]

So, PS5 Disc version was stopped selling at loss announced in Summer 2021 Vast majority of sales were Disc version - +80% globally.

Econimical situation changed in last 3 years. Especially when Slim came with optional Disc

I've said, economical situation changed in last 3 years, which is go figure, year 2023 when also Slim arrived. They haven't sold entire PS5 lineup of loss till 2023 because very vast majority of PS5 sales was a Disc version and because i implied heavily and mentioned what happened since 2023.

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you still play with the logic that the disc model stopped being sold at a loss ever since 2021. This is not the case.

 

[Bojji]

You're LITERALLY proving my point.

You mean subsidization? SMALL subsidization, they increased prices because they didn't want to do BIG subsidization. And this is exactly what they will have to do if the want to launch PS6 in ~600$ price.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

and you still play with the logic that the disc model stopped being sold at a loss ever since 2021. This is not the case.

AGAIN I've said, economical situation changed in last 3 years, which is go figure, year 2023 when also Slim arrived. They haven't sold entire PS5 lineup of loss till 2023 because very vast majority of PS5 sales was a Disc version and because i implied heavily and mentioned what happened since 2023. But surely after that, i'm strongly believe they were selling PS5 at loss.
Get it or not?

 

[nial]

You mean subsidization? SMALL subsidization, they increased prices because they didn't want to do BIG subsidization. And this is exactly what they will have to do if the want to launch PS6 in ~600$ price.

They increased prices because doing big subsidy for a 6 year old console with a mature install base makes no sense.
They increased prices because manufacturing conditions are like this, they didn't increase prices for PS3 and PS4 because manufacturing conditions weren't like this.
They continued selling their old consoles years after the fact the fact because manufacturing conditions weren't like this, they won't be able to do that with PS5 because manufacturing conditions ARE. LIKE. THIS.
Get it?

AGAIN I've said, economical situation changed in last 3 years, which is go figure, year 2023 when also Slim arrived. They haven't sold entire PS5 lineup of loss till 2023 because very vast majority of PS5 sales was a Disc version and because i implied heavily and mentioned what happened since 2023. But surely after that, i'm strongly believe they were selling PS5 at loss.
Get it or not?

You think the disc model was sold at a profit for over two years? We don't know this.

 

[J Required]

I never believe people who talk like this. No way you're being honest. Who would buy a PS5 the Holiday of 2025, and then say there's nothing coming out for it in 2026?

Like come on bruh! Be for real..... You love Xbox, right?

Forums like GAF and other enthusiast spaces are a small bubble—they don't reflect the real world, especially when it comes to PlayStation. You see a constant stream of negative PS news there, yet every quarter it gets completely shattered by Sony's actual performance.

At the end of the day, no console brand moves units like PlayStation when prices are equal. A $600 PlayStation will outsell a $600 Xbox or a $600 Nintendo—simple as that.

Let them cope

 

[Bojji]

They continued selling their old consoles years after the fact the fact because manufacturing conditions weren't like this, they won't be able to do that with PS5 because manufacturing conditions ARE. LIKE. THIS.
Get it?

PS5 will still be much cheaper to produce than PS6, they can keep selling PS5 for 500-600$ and PS6 for much higher price (at least for first ~two years).

 

[nial]

PS5 will still be much cheaper to produce than PS6, they can keep selling PS5 for 500-600$ and PS6 for much higher price (at least for first ~two years).

When you have a cheaper product but cannot even make it, at all. Good strategy.

 

[Bojji]

When you have a cheaper product but cannot even make it, at all. Good strategy.

What?

 

[nial]

What?

If I needed more evidence that you weren't even following the conversation...

 

[Bojji]

If I needed more evidence that you weren't even following the conversation...

Explain what you meant, I'm sorry that I didn't read 30 pages with all the details...

How they can't make more PS5s? It's using entirely different process node than PS6 and memory.

 

[nial]

Explain what you meant.

How they can't make more PS5s?

It's not that they will literally not be able to make more PS5s, but as I told you 14 times before, Sony is currently struggling to get enough memory as is. At some point, the focus will be on PS6 production.

 

[Bojji]

It's not that they will literally not be able to make more PS5s, but as I told you 14 times before, Sony is currently struggling to get enough memory as is. At some point, the focus will be on PS6 production.

GDDR6 vs. GDDR7.

Nvidia plans to release 3060 because it uses GDDR6 and different process node.

 

[nial]

GDDR6 vs. GDDR7.

Both of which are impacted. They will need to have negotiations for two different types of memory with low availability, both at abnormal prices.

 

[Bojji]

Both of which are impacted. They will need to have negotiations for two different types of memory with low availability, both at abnormal prices.

Yes, but there is much less desire for GDDR6 from big tech so it should be easier to obtain (and cheaper).

 

[Hyper_hyper]

You think the disc model was sold at a profit for over two years? We don't know this.

We don't know, huh?
It was said that the PS5 Disc was covering its own manufacturing costs and until the first price hike ( IIRC end of 2022 or start of 2023) i believe it was sold at profit. While Digital one expected to be offset by sales of other hardware such as the PS4 ( it was still on sale in 2022) and accessories.

The point is that they were generally losing money on hardware all the way to 2024, stop messing around and acknowledge this fact once for all.

But we know THIS fact for all eternity, huh?

 

[Joe Cool]

It's funny because I pay for the highest tier of Sony's service but if they raise prices, I will cancel my sub. I wonder how many people will do the same, but will the people who stay offset the loss of those of who cancel? In any event, fuck Sony.

 

[Jesb]

It's basically sold out already. Maybe I should've grabbed one just to sell it lol.

 

[CrustyBritches]

PS5 Slim 1TB Disc Fortnite version is now sold out on PlayStation Direct. The Slim 825GB Digital Fortnite version is still available at $399. So at this very moment, you can still get a PS5 for $50 cheaper than a Switch 2.

I ordered the $450 1TB Disc version on Friday and it's scheduled to arrive on Monday. Very nice. Gonna be my backup for the Pro and the new living room console for the kids and relatives to play.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

I tell you what. Some smart company is gonna come in and fill the lower end mass market space Sony and Microsoft seem content to leave behind. We saw that Wii knock off thing do great this last holiday. Maybe time for Roblox to partner up with a hardware manufacturer and jump into the console game? Bet a cheap $200-300 Roblox Box would sell like hotcakes.

My dude, that device already exists and most people already have one.
You're possibly reading this post on it, right now.

My PS6 is going to be 2 PS3s taped together.

I am way ahead of you.

 

[nial]

Yes, but there is much less desire for GDDR6 from big tech so it should be easier to obtain (and cheaper).

Relatively cheaper does not stand for a cheap product overall. Sales will fall off a cliff so it really makes no sense to keep the PS5 after the fact. Furthermore, this all started because you said that Sony could not price the PS6 at 600 USD if the PS5 costs that, and the answer to that is the fact that a PS6 at 600 USD is MUCH more than worth it for killing the PS5 line in general.

But we know THIS fact for all eternity, huh?

They told that to investors, so yes.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

They told that to investors, so yes.

So, provide a quote, or PDF.

this all started because you said that Sony could not price the PS6 at 600 USD if the PS5 costs that,

Never said that.

Relatively cheaper does not stand for a cheap product overall.

It does if one version is main selling unit over the other and sold at profit, while lesser selling unit selling at loss and offset by sales of other hardware such as the PS4 ( it was still on sale in 2022) and accessories, like i've said

 

[Horseganador]

Looking at Twitter, this must be the strongest week of sales for PS5 and PS5 Pro since Christmas; they're going to sell a lot until Thursday, even people who weren't going to buy the Pro...are buying it.

 

[kazuyamishima]

The Pro has increased its sales in a lot of markets on Amazon including Spain, US, France and many more.

 

[nial]

So, provide a quote, or PDF.

Hardware losses for quarter ending September 30, 2023:

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/23q2_sonypre.pdf

Hardware losses for quarter ending December 31, 2023:

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/23q3_sonypre.pdf

Hardware losses for fiscal year ending March 31, 2024:

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/23q4_sonypre.pdf

Never said that.

It does if one version is main selling unit over the other and sold at profit, while lesser selling unit selling at loss and offset by sales of other hardware such as the PS4 ( it was still on sale in 2022) and accessories, like i've said

I wasn't quoting you with that, you know?

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Hardware losses for quarter ending September 30, 2023:

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/23q2_sonypre.pdf

Hardware losses for quarter ending December 31, 2023:

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/23q3_sonypre.pdf

Hardware losses for fiscal year ending March 31, 2024:

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/23q4_sonypre.pdf

Thank you for proving my point. 2023.

2023 is compared to 2022, a year when PS5 was sold at profit. In 2023 sold at loss. You said PS5 was sold at loss all the way up to 2024 SINCE LAUNCH, so not true at all.

I'm repeating myself AGAIN

Economical situation changed in last 3 years, which is go figure, year 2023 when also Slim arrived. They haven't sold entire PS5 lineup of loss till 2023 because very vast majority of PS5 sales was a Disc version and because i implied heavily and mentioned what happened since 2023. But surely after that, i'm strongly believe they were selling PS5 at loss.
Get it or not?

I wasn't quoting you with that, you know?

Yes, you haven't. Missed it.

 

[nightfly]

Playstation 3s $599 U.S Dollars looks good right now.

 

[nial]

Thank you for proving my point. 2023.

2023 is compared to 2022, a year when PS5 was sold at profit. In 2023 sold at loss. You said PS5 was sold at loss all the way up to 2024, so not true at all.

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for fiscal year ending March 31, 2024

 

[Hyper_hyper]

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You are obtuse, aren't you? Go check fucking first 2 links you've provide. LOL
Are you aware that quarters are compared to quarter a year before? It is not even funny. Repeating myself again

Thank you for proving my point. 2023.

2023 is compared to 2022, a year when PS5 was sold at profit. In 2023 sold at loss. You said PS5 was sold at loss all the way up to 2024 SINCE LAUNCH, so not true at all.

 

[nial]

You are obtuse, aren't you? Go check fucking first 2 links you've provide. LOL
Are you aware that quarters are compared to quarter a year before? It is not even funny. Repeating myself again

How is this obtuse? Sony's accounting works between fiscal years, not calendar years. There isn't even a comparison being made here, they straight up take notice of a increase in losses for the year.
Go check the presentations for FY22 and FY21, there is no mention of hardware profitability, but rather, a 'decrease in loss'. You said that the disc model was sold at a profit in summer 2021, but for the quarter ending September 2021, they were still reporting losses on hardware. Hardware profitability was not a thing until FY24.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

How is this obtuse? Sony's accounting works between fiscal years, not calendar years. There isn't even a comparison being made here, they straight up take notice of a increase in losses for the year.

It is being obtuse

Go check the presentations for FY22 and FY21, there is no mention of hardware profitability, but rather, a 'decrease in loss'. You said that the disc model was sold at a profit in summer 2021, but for the quarter ending September 2021, they were still reporting losses on hardware. Hardware profitability was not a thing until FY24.

Which means it is sold at PROFIT. I've just said what Sony CEO said about Disc Version during Summer 2021.

Started from Q3 2021 for both.

·(+) Decrease in loss resulting from strategic price points for PlayStation®5
(PS5™) hardware that were set lower than manufacturing costs

That crap lasted till all the way up till Q1 2023

And it was said this

( - ) Deterioration in profitability of PlayStation®5 hardware mainly due to
changes in promotions by geographic region and the sales channel mix

So, it was profitable overall till that quarter.

 

[SScorpio]

This only appears to support local multiplayer games. It looks like a good option for that, but doesn't seem to work for online coop games. Honestly I don't give a shit when companies do something because of potential dishonest use, a middle ground would be to offer a cheaper license that is co-op only and keep the single player part one person at a time. People are going to pirate shit regardless. How may people really have people in their family groups that aren't friend or family?

I suppose another feature that is desirable is ease of jumping in. My 7 year old can turn on a TV and a console. My 10 year old can sort of turn on the PC and boot something up but that's not a sure thing. If they both want to play while I am busy, it's a little annoying.

It depends on the game. Some support simultaneous local and co-op play. And if remote play together is activated for those, you are good to go.

Other wise family sharing will let you run however many copies owned in your group at once. For online only games, you need two copies to play together. It similar to Nintendo's virtual card system, expect you can have up to six people in your family. And they can play on a large number of devices. And there's no checking in/out of the games. It's automatic. If you own a hot new game, but someone else in your family is playing it. You have the option of kicking them so you can play. It's not a perfect system, but it's the most consumer friendly compared to anything else out there.

 

[squallbr]

Playstation 3s $599 U.S Dollars looks good right now.

Justice for PS3 after 20years and PSN was FREE

 

[kindaGoth]

I never believe people who talk like this. No way you're being honest. Who would buy a PS5 the Holiday of 2025, and then say there's nothing coming out for it in 2026?

Like come on bruh! Be for real..... You love Xbox, right?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I just rather have $500 than a console I'm not using much.

Are you trying to console war me or something?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Yes, but there is much less desire for GDDR6 from big tech so it should be easier to obtain (and cheaper).

The fear is that memory makers will switch all the GDDR6 supply to GDDR7 much faster than originally anticipated.

So even assuming that Sony was intending to continue selling the PS5 for the foreseeable future, they might not be able to.

 

[Ðuelist]

Because it was their choice. Was it the obvious choice? Yes. But they aren't excused from corporate greed and backlash just because the economy is bad. I don't get to charge my place of work more money for my employment because of the economy.

Excuse me while I call out the billion dollar corporation for constant price increases despite record profits every year.

Has nothing to do with corporate greed. They usually break even or lose money when selling consoles. Prices are going up because of AI bullshit making RAM more expensive.

 

[KeplerL2]

God, a "next-gen" box with 1TB of storage. I mean with SSD prices becoming almost as insane as RAM it is kind of understandable but 1TB in 2027/2028 would be crazy.

So basically $800+ BOM with 2TB, throw in additional costs for packaging/shipping/retailer surcharge and unless Sony subsidizes it's going to be $900+ .

It's the most obvious area to cut costs and if PS6 SDK supports neural texture compression game sizes could even be smaller than PS5.

 

[kazuyamishima]

$200 more for each Digital and Disc editions.

I didn't saw that the PS5 Pro increase was $150, Ho Lee Sheet.jpg.

Damn, that's huge.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

$200 more for each Digital and Disc editions.

I didn't saw that the PS5 Pro increase was $150, Ho Lee Sheet.jpg.

Damn, that's huge.

What makes it worse for console makers all jacking up their prices last bunch of years is that historically prices go down. Not flat, but down. At 5 years into a generation in the past, consoles should be about 50% off by now. Instead they are up about +30% (depending on the model).

All these $500 launch priced PS and Xbox systems would be $250 by now. lol

 

[onQ123]

PS5 Pro is selling fast on Amazon

 

[//DEVIL//]

PS5 Pro is selling fast on Amazon

It's sold out here in Canada at Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart and Costco ( at Costco it will show its online but when you try to add it after you put your postal code it will show not available ). and Walmart has nothing third-party scalpers.

 

[onQ123]

It's sold out here in Canada at Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart and Costco

Portal went up also I guess people who was on the fence jumped over to get them before the hike . Hopefully they find away around all this mess for the holidays

 

[//DEVIL//]

Portal went up also I guess people who was on the fence jumped over to get them before the hike . Hopefully they find away around all this mess for the holidays

I am sorry but that is such a scam of a device i dont even want to be remembered it exists.

lets add a 60 Hz full HD screen from the ice age with these huge ass bezels, and slap a PS5 controller and scam gamers.