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[OverHeat]

Xbox Project Helix Has 0 GPU Customization, Leak Claims, Abandoning the Last Thing That Made an Xbox Feel Like One

Xbox Project Helix leak: Microsoft abandons custom GPU for its next-gen system, ending the traditional console era.

wccftech.com

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Nice

 

[PauloRoberto]

I TOLD YOU guys that Helix would be the Surface of gaming PCs, maybe nice, 100% irrelevant.

 

[winjer]

This really seems like it will be just a PC with a console UI.

 

[Artistic]

I TOLD YOU guys that Helix would be the Surface of gaming PCs, maybe nice, 100% irrelavant.

Surface had a run at a point.

 

[RoboFu]

isn't that all consoles the last 2 gens?

 

[PauloRoberto]

Surface had a run at a point.

Just like xbox (2 or 3 years during Xbox 360)

 

[Revolutionary]

"MS has 0 customization on the GPU side this time," the leaker said on the NeoGAF forums

Haven't seen a GAF -> internet -> GAF in a while.

We're back, baby!

 

[Bitstream]

So it's just a pre built PC with the Xbox dashboard and BC chip?

 

[OverHeat]

So it's just a pre built PC with the Xbox dashboard and BC chip?

Yep

 

[J Required]

A pre-built PC. Boring

 

[March Climber]

Surface had a run at a point.

Just like xbox (2 or 3 years during Xbox 360)

And Zune.
And Windows Phone.

MS can't catch a break with hardware, regardless of how well/elegant they make it.

 

[onQ123]

Xbox Project Helix Has 0 GPU Customization, Leak Claims, Abandoning the Last Thing That Made an Xbox Feel Like One

Xbox Project Helix leak: Microsoft abandons custom GPU for its next-gen system, ending the traditional console era.

wccftech.com

To be honest most special sauces are just band-aids & corner cutting to make up for brute force.

 

[J Required]

isn't that all consoles the least 2 gens?

No.

 

[Sintoid]

So it's just a pre built PC with the Xbox dashboard and BC chip?

Maybe not even a BC chip

 

[twilo99]

isn't that all consoles the least 2 gens?

Yes.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Will I have to use Windows update too, lol?

 

[nowhat]

Surface had a run at a point.

Unfortunately, that run was to get a pack of cigarettes from the corner store, and it never came back.

 

[Brucey]

Xbox Project Helix Has 0 GPU Customization, Leak Claims, Abandoning the Last Thing That Made an Xbox Feel Like One

Xbox Project Helix leak: Microsoft abandons custom GPU for its next-gen system, ending the traditional console era.

wccftech.com

 

[Brucey]

Tobimacoss and mch2024 in absolute shambles and being monitored for suicide risk.

 

[Radical_3d]

isn't that all consoles the last 2 gens?

PS5 had a storage solution that was sci-fi when it released. Yes, I did had a PCIe SSD years before on my PC but those loading times where unreal in 2020. Then people quickly forgot about it and focused in that weak upscaling. Also, its audio system is based on the cell's SPEs.And both Pro consoles had some innovation in them.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Who's gonna tell Tom Warren it's a fucking PC now???

 

[Magic Carpet]

So it's just a pre built PC with the Xbox dashboard and BC chip?

And can do something amazeballs. Power on with a controller.
That takes mythical engineering skills to accomplish on a PC.

 

[diffusionx]

I'm not even sure it will have the BC chip now.

 

[adamsapple]

A pre-built PC. Boring

No more special sauce for Xbox console going Into helix

 

[Insane Metal]

Neogaf > Internet > Neogaf

 

[J Required]

MS can name it whatever they like, if I can outsource the exact parts in some enclosure, its a pre-built PC!

 

[Puscifer]

I'm not even sure it will have the BC chip now.

FWIW they'll likely just lockdown and customize the Dev software on PC they use for testing. It's the easiest win for BC in this situation.

 

[MisterXDTV]

MS can name it whatever they like, if I can outsource the exact parts in some enclosure, its a pre-built PC!

According to some people it's MS that decides if it's a console or a PC, not actual reality....

 

[OmegaSupreme]

XBox brought to you by CyberPowerPC

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

A prebuilt PC with an Xbox sticker on it, just like many predicted including myself.

 

[playbignbox]

It doesn't matter, it just needs to have a plug-and-play interface/experience like a console. Being a PC is actually an advantage, with access to stores like Steam and free online multiplayer.

 

[ReasonBeing]

Neogaf>wccftech>Neogaf

Considering they will be far behind the market leader, this is the obvious route to go. Any custom features would go unutilized, much like they did on Series hardware.

 

[CrustyBritches]

It's going to have ML FSR, FG/MFG, and RR. Who cares if it's custom. That being said, this is going to be a SFF PC with Xbox BC and probably cost over $1K. It's not a product for the mass market. Aimed more at people who want a secondary HTPC for the living room with access to your GP/Xbox library.

 

[Durin]

All I care about at this point is them making the backwards compatibility work better than current emulation. The only value it could bring to the table for me.

 

[kevboard]

so like the Series X and PS5? this isn't new...
there's no secret sauce when every API is based around the Direct X feature set, because the GPUs are literally designed around Direct X and then put into a console, and all you essentially get inside a console is a PC part that has been stripped down somewhat

PS5 had a storage solution that was sci-fi when it released. Yes, I did had a PCIe SSD years before on my PC but those loading times where unreal in 2020. Then people quickly forgot about it and focused in that weak upscaling. Also, its audio system is based on the cell's SPEs.And both Pro consoles had some innovation in them.

people forgot it because it was insane overkill and barely accomplished anything that the comparatively slow SSD inside the Series X, with no secret sauce couldn't do as well, with only slight differences.

if your storage solution is 50% faster, but the time frame you're talking about is 2 seconds... then... like... wow, now it will take 3 seconds to load instead! the horror!
and in games "designed around it" you get a 2 frame stutter by running them on an ordinary SSD! SCANDALOUS!

 

[xanaum]

Oh what a surprise, it's just a PC, who could've seen that coming?

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

K KeplerL2 regarding PS6 can you confirm any custom feature to get excited about?

 

[Mr Moose]

It's just a PC, custom shit would cost them more.

 

[Markio128]

I wonder what it will be called?

PC Series X?
PC 360?
PC One?

 

[GoldenEye98]

There isn't really customization anymore anyway. What customization there is often just rebranding.

 

[PauloRoberto]

Yeah, now to defend Microsoft videogame capitulation, some idits are downplaying innovating seeing on other devices... why am i not surprised ?!

 

[AJUMP23]

Its Helix so its DNA is PC, its secret sauce will be exclusive games. Built by AI.

 

[Bojji]

Haven't seen a GAF -> internet -> GAF in a while.

We're back, baby!

Thanks to Kepler we now have the best hardware leaks. Not bad.

Those journos must be lurking these forums, imagine how much "nazi" stuff they have to read here, how they even endure that? Hahaha.

 

[Brucey]

so like the Series X and PS5? this isn't new...
there's no secret sauce when every API is based around the Direct X feature set, because the GPUs are literally designed around Direct X and then put into a console, and all you essentially get inside a console is a PC part that has been stripped down somewhat.

Here's what Sebastien Nussbaum, Corporate Vice President & Senior Fellow, Semi-Custom Products and Technologies at AMD said about series X.

""Xbox Series X is the biggest generational leap of SOC [System on a Chip] and API design that we've done with Microsoft, and it's really an honor for AMD to be a trusted Microsoft partner for this endeavor," said Nussbaum. "The Xbox Series X is going to be a beacon of technical innovation leadership for this console generation and will propagate the innovation throughout the DirectX ecosystem this year and into next year.""

Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - XBOX Wire

A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...

news.xbox.com

 

[Astray]

Not shocking, this device is going to be low-volume and expensive, so the cost of customizing is just not worthwhile.

 

[Bojji]

I wonder what it will be called?

PC Series X?
PC 360?
PC One?

One Xbox 360 Series X

 

[kevboard]

Here's what Sebastien Nussbaum, Corporate Vice President & Senior Fellow, Semi-Custom Products and Technologies at AMD said about series X.

""Xbox Series X is the biggest generational leap of SOC [System on a Chip] and API design that we've done with Microsoft, and it's really an honor for AMD to be a trusted Microsoft partner for this endeavor," said Nussbaum. "The Xbox Series X is going to be a beacon of technical innovation leadership for this console generation and will propagate the innovation throughout the DirectX ecosystem this year and into next year.""

Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - XBOX Wire

A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...

news.xbox.com

well... yeah. the system was designed with DX12 Ultimate in mind. as are AMD's PC GPUs

 

[Bojji]

well... yeah. the system was designed with DX12 Ultimate in mind. as are AMD's PC GPUs

Or DX13, I think there are way too many advancements over DX12U to still call it that.

 

[Ozriel]

Yeah, now to defend Microsoft videogame capitulation, some idits are downplaying innovating seeing on other devices... why am i not surprised ?!

Lmao. You somehow spinning this as A Bad Thing is quite hilarious.

No customization needed. You're not driving a low power or constrained device, and it'll have the full feature set of a brand new GPU architecture.