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[Shogmaster]

Intel confirmed Arc G3 and G3 Extreme Handhrld gaming processor to debut in Computex later this June. Specs quoted in the video.

I suspect this Panther Lake SoC will perform at least 33% better than AMD Z2 Extreme at same wattage. Hopefully the price will be at parity with Z2E as well (I think it might be a tad more expensive...).

 

[Tobimacoss]

Is it still 12 CUs? So 12 CU APU performing 33% better than 16 CU APU? That would be impressive.

Now would be a good time for Dell to do the Alienware UFO handheld.

 

[Shogmaster]

Is it still 12 CUs? So 12 CU APU performing 33% better than 16 CU APU? That would be impressive.

Now would be a good time for Dell to do the Alienware UFO handheld.

Y R U comparing "CUs" of two entirely and completely different architectures?

 

[kevboard]

I feel like the biggest issue of intel is still the game compatibility and stability.
Crimson Desert launching without any intel compatibility did not help their public image either.

the perfomance is already really good, the RT perfomance is really good, the ML perfomance is really good, it's really just their drivers and the support from Devs that's lacking

 

[Shogmaster]

I feel like the biggest issue of intel is still the game compatibility and stability.
Crimson Desert launching without any intel compatibility did not help their public image either.

the perfomance is already really good, the RT perfomance is really good, the ML perfomance is really good, it's really just their drivers and the support from Devs that's lacking

Unfortunately with Intel switching to NVidia based GPU in their next gen APUs, I dont see a huge increase in game support...

 

[Tobimacoss]

Y R U comparing "CUs" of two entirely and completely different architectures?

Well, what other point of comparison would you use? Teraflops and CU gives quickest estimate for Raster performance without knowing the details from testing.

Unfortunately with Intel switching to NVidia based GPU in their next gen APUs, I dont see a huge increase in game support...

I thought they were going to use Nvidia only for high end gaming laptops. Intel iGPUs will still be around for midrange and low end stuff.

 

[Deerock71]

Does anyone else think the title of the thread looks like one of those non-sensical Japanese game titles that get literally translated and look like word salad?

 

[StereoVsn]

Intel confirmed Arc G3 and G3 Extreme Handhrld gaming processor to debut in Computex later this June. Specs quoted in the video.

I suspect this Panther Lake SoC will perform at least 33% better than AMD Z2 Extreme at same wattage. Hopefully the price will be at parity with Z2E as well (I think it might be a tad more expensive...).

Z2E from Lenovo is $2K. It's expensive enough, lol.

I suspect $1500 MSI will have a $1500 Panther Claw device.

 

[mhirano]

I feel like the biggest issue of intel is still the game compatibility and stability.
Crimson Desert launching without any intel compatibility did not help their public image either.

the perfomance is already really good, the RT perfomance is really good, the ML perfomance is really good, it's really just their drivers and the support from Devs that's lacking

Terrible Linux drivers, bad backwards compatibility (DX9 and back) and low support for great tech like XESS/XELL/XEFG hampers great hardware. I hope Intel software team catchup sooner than later

 

[spons]

I'll wait for The Phawx to make a video on it. His Steam Machine-like was great and in-depth as shit.

 

[Skifi28]

Does anyone else think the title of the thread looks like one of those non-sensical Japanese game titles that get literally translated and look like word salad?

I didn't until now.

 

[StereoVsn]

Terrible Linux drivers, bad backwards compatibility (DX9 and back) and low support for great tech like XESS/XELL/XEFG hampers great hardware. I hope Intel software team catchup sooner than later

Pretty sure they made some progress on DX9 front. No idea if all the games will run but I remember they had a lot of improvements in the newer drivers.

 

[pqueue]

I have not seen pergoemance like this anywhere.

Literally.

 

[Puscifer]

Does anyone else think the title of the thread looks like one of those non-sensical Japanese game titles that get literally translated and look like word salad?

These damn Hyperdimension Neptunia games by title alone ALWAYS fucked with me lol

 

[Shogmaster]

Well, what other point of comparison would you use? Teraflops and CU gives quickest estimate for Raster performance without knowing the details from testing.

You have to simply use benchmarks in this case.

I thought they were going to use Nvidia only for high end gaming laptops. Intel iGPUs will still be around for midrange and low end stuff.

Its basically gonna be nVidia GPU SoC for gaming and XE³ SoC for base AFAIK.

 

[Barakov]

Does anyone else think the title of the thread looks like one of those non-sensical Japanese game titles that get literally translated and look like word salad?

Glad to see I wasn't the only one that took a double take at the thread title.

 

[Black_Stride]

Intels resurgance is something to behold.......ArrowLake betting on getting rid of HyperThreading might have been worth it.
ArrowLake actually trying in gaming now is again not something I was expecting.
Much more excited for NovaLake now.


I wonder if WildCat Lake will be used in any handhelds.
Its an absolute unit on the CPU side.

 

[Amey]

I have not seen pergoemance like this anywhere.

Literally.

That's what sge said

 

[Gitaroo]

what is the screen spec?

 

[rnlval]

Intel confirmed Arc G3 and G3 Extreme Handhrld gaming processor to debut in Computex later this June. Specs quoted in the video.

I suspect this Panther Lake SoC will perform at least 33% better than AMD Z2 Extreme at same wattage. Hopefully the price will be at parity with Z2E as well (I think it might be a tad more expensive...).

Intel Panther Lake's ARC Xe3 iGPU has many hardware features similar to AMD's RDNA 4 generation e.g. dynamic registers, 8-bit floating point.

ARC Xe3 iGPU's RT cores follow NVIDIA's autonomous BVH RT transversal design.

Intel Panther Lake's ARC B390 has 1536 ALUs, which is roughly equivalent to AMD's 24 CU. AMD Strix Point iGPU has 1024 ALUs (16 CU)

Both Intel ARC B390 and NVIDIA ADA GPU designs have large double-digit size L2 caches, while AMD's RDNA 3/4 GPU designs have large double-digit size L3 caches (missing on Strix Point's RDNA 3.5).

AMD's RDNA 3.5 is aging. AMD needs to bring RDNA 4 (or 5) generation into the iGPU ASAP.

 

[Drew1440]

Terrible Linux drivers, bad backwards compatibility (DX9 and back) and low support for great tech like XESS/XELL/XEFG hampers great hardware. I hope Intel software team catchup sooner than later

This keeps getting mentioned, but I've played many DX9 and older titles on my Arc A770M and haven't encountered any issues that were the result of the graphics drivers. I suspect any issues that occurred have song since been fixed.

 

[Quixz]

But will Intel drivers hold up?

 

[Shogmaster]

Intel Panther Lake's ARC Xe3 iGPU has many hardware features similar to AMD's RDNA 4 generation e.g. dynamic registers, 8-bit floating point.

ARC Xe3 iGPU's RT cores follow NVIDIA's autonomous BVH RT transversal design.

Intel Panther Lake's ARC B390 has 1536 ALUs, which is roughly equivalent to AMD's 24 CU. AMD Strix Point iGPU has 1024 ALUs (16 CU)

Both Intel ARC B390 and NVIDIA ADA GPU designs have large double-digit size L2 caches, while AMD's RDNA 3/4 GPU designs have large double-digit size L3 caches (missing on Strix Point's RDNA 3.5).

AMD's RDNA 3.5 is aging. AMD needs to bring RDNA 4 (or 5) generation into the iGPU ASAP.

RDNA5 AT4 will be available for PC handhelds by Q3 of 2027. G3 and G3E will probably have about 12 months to wave its dick around then get crushed by AT4 APU for handhelds.

 

[Shogmaster]

Does anyone else think the title of the thread looks like one of those non-sensical Japanese game titles that get literally translated and look like word salad?

Its hard to squeeze all the relevant info in the allowed space yo.

 

[Tobimacoss]

RDNA5 AT4 will be available for PC handhelds by Q3 of 2027. G3 and G3E will probably have about 12 months to wave its dick around then get crushed by AT4 APU for handhelds.

Don't think RDNA5 AT4 handhelds will be releasing BEFORE the Helix flagship console in November 2027. Especially if such handheld is ALSO using the Magnus CPU SOC.

They could release the same month or 1-2 months after. But it's very likely not getting anything from AMD side until January 2028 at CES.

So Panther Lake may get some good sales for 18 months.

 

[Shogmaster]

Don't think RDNA5 AT4 handhelds will be releasing BEFORE the Helix flagship console in November 2027. Especially if such handheld is ALSO using the Magnus CPU SOC.

They could release the same month or 1-2 months after. But it's very likely not getting anything from AMD side until January 2028 at CES.

So Panther Lake may get some good sales for 18 months.

Im sorta assuming whatever AT4 APU would be (prolly Madusa Halo Mini/Madusa Point Premium with no added CPU chiplet) will be ready by 3Q abd launching in 4Q.

Your proposed timing could be entirely correct as well.

 

[rnlval]

RDNA5 AT4 will be available for PC handhelds by Q3 of 2027. G3 and G3E will probably have about 12 months to wave its dick around then get crushed by AT4 APU for handhelds.

Intel Panther Lake's Xe3 IGPU has an AI-based XeSS 3 upscaler. AMD is behind on laptop SoC AI-based upscaler.

 

[Shogmaster]

Intel Panther Lake's Xe3 IGPU has an AI-based XeSS 3 upscaler. AMD is behind on laptop SoC AI-based upscaler.

RDNA 5 >> Xe3 = RDNA 4 >> RDNA 3.5

AT4 is RDNA 5.

 

[rnlval]

RDNA 5 >> Xe3 = RDNA 4 >> RDNA 3.5

AT4 is RDNA 5.

RDNA 5 is MIA.

Alleged AMD RDNA 5 GPU Diagrams Hint At A Massive 96 Compute Unit Flagship

If the rumors are true about RDNA 5, it's actually more like 192 compute units—three times the size of the RX 9070 XT.

hothardware.com

AT4 (12 CU RDNA5 scale) is speculation from Kepler_L2.

AMD's Ryzen "AI" 2026 year is "Gorgon Point" (Strix Point refresh) with RDNA 3.5. LOL

 

[Shogmaster]

RDNA 5 is MIA.

LOL its so MIA that both Sony and MS is using it for 2027.

Alleged AMD RDNA 5 GPU Diagrams Hint At A Massive 96 Compute Unit Flagship

If the rumors are true about RDNA 5, it's actually more like 192 compute units—three times the size of the RX 9070 XT.

hothardware.com

AT4 (12 CU RDNA5 scale) is speculation from Kepler_L2.

AT4 is 24 CU (FU Keppy and uour stupid CU counts lol) and MLiD calls the SoC version Madusa Halo Mini (which was leaked like a year ago).

 

[rnlval]

LOL its so MIA that both Sony and MS is using it for 2027.


AT4 is 24 CU (FU Keppy and uour stupid CU cpunts lol) and MLiD calls the SoC version Madusa Halo Mini (which was leaked like a year ago).

Fact: AMD's Ryzen "AI" 2026 year is "Gorgon Point" (Strix Point refresh) with RDNA 3.5. Try again.

AMD's 2026 Strix Halo refresh is known as the Ryzen AI Max 400 series, codenamed "Gorgon Halo" with RDNA 3.5.

2026 Gorgon Point and Gorgon Halo have minor improvements in memory speeds.

 

[Shogmaster]

Fact: AMD's Ryzen "AI" 2026 year is "Gorgon Point" (Strix Point refresh) with RDNA 3.5. Try again.

AMD's 2026 Strix Halo refresh is known as the Ryzen AI Max 400 series, codenamed "Gorgon Halo" with RDNA 3.5.

2026 Gorgon Point and Gorgon Halo have minor improvements in memory speeds.

Nobody gives a shit about Gorgon Point and Gorgon Halo. Gorgon is slightly overclocked Strix. Its still 4nm. It's Strix re-branded.

Madusa Halo is 3nm, and is using RDNA 5. Its coming out in 2027 (Q4? Q3?)

Madusa Point might use RDNA 4m (RDNA 3.5+), and it might come out in Q4 2926 or Q1 2027.

 

[Shogmaster]

OMG, not sure if real deal, but I just picked up Strix Halo mini PC with 128GB of RAM for $1500 on Bezos emporium. "Only 1 left" lol. Maybe being cleared for Gorgon Halo SKU?

99% chance being canceled by Bezos. LOL

 

[rnlval]

Nobody gives a shit about Gorgon Point and Gorgon Halo. Gorgon is slightly overclocked Strix. Its still 4nm. It's Strix re-branded.

Madusa Halo is 3nm, and is using RDNA 5. Its coming out in 2027 (Q4? Q3?)

Madusa Point might use RDNA 4m (RDNA 3.5+), and it might come out in Q4 2926 or Q1 2027.

RDNA 5 is missing in action i,.e. vaporware in 2026.

 

[Shogmaster]

RDNA 5 is missing in action i,.e. vaporware in 2026.

By that logic Sure. Everything is MIA until they come out LOL

Hell, Gorgon Halo is technically MIA and vaporware as of today. So is Steam Machine!

 

[rnlval]

OMG, not sure if real deal, but I just picked up Strix Halo mini PC with 128GB of RAM for $1500 on Bezos emporium. "Only 1 left" lol. Maybe being cleared for Gorgon Halo SKU?

99% chance being canceled by Bezos. LOL

Still missing AI-based FSR4. Where is the real-time AI upscaler?

 

[Shogmaster]

Still missing AI-based FSR4. Where is the real-time AI upscaler?

Im not getting it for gaming, but AMD is launching INT8 FSR 4.1 for it in June.

 

[rnlval]

Im not getting it for gaming, but AMD is launching INT8 FSR 4.1 for it in June.

APU RDNA 3's FSR 4.1 is later than discrete RDNA 3's FSR 4.1.

RDNA 3 GPUs will be gaining FSR 4.1 support this July, 2026.

 

[Shogmaster]

APU RDNA 3's FSR 4.1 is later than discrete RDNA 3's FSR 4.1.

RDNA 3 GPUs will be gaining FSR 4.1 support this July, 2026.

July, June, I dont care tbh. Imma use it for the CPU grunt and RAM count. My 4 year old Intel laptop is crying with these PSD files.

This is all assuming Jeff doesn't cancel my order...

 

[Shogmaster]

Intels resurgance is something to behold.......ArrowLake betting on getting rid of HyperThreading might have been worth it.
ArrowLake actually trying in gaming now is again not something I was expecting.
Much more excited for NovaLake now.


I wonder if WildCat Lake will be used in any handhelds.
Its an absolute unit on the CPU side.

Doesn't Wildcat have like 2 Xe3 GPU cores? That's like 1/16th of shader units vs 140V in 256V that's used in current Intel PC handhelds.

Sure its Xe+ vs Xe3, but 1024 shaders vs 64 shaders! You dont fucking want Wildcat playing games made after 2012. lol

[EDIT] on further research, Xe3 is like 60% more powerful than Xe+ per clock.

140V has 8 Xe+ cores @1.95GHz.
Core 5 320 has 2 Xe3 cores @ 2.45GHz

8 x 1.95 =15.6 while 2 x 2.45 x1.6 = 7.84

So Wildcat Core 5 320's GPU will be about half as powerful as current 140V equipped Intel PC handhelds (and AMD Z1E/780m ones too)

 

[Shogmaster]

MSI Claw 8 EX AI+ with ARc G3 Extreme appears in Australia, price starts at $1780 USD - VideoCardz.com https://share.google/kLIqTR3zojdRYSzA9

$1800. Yikes... I was pretty close

 

[StereoVsn]

MSI Claw 8 EX AI+ with ARc G3 Extreme appears in Australia, price starts at $1780 USD - VideoCardz.com https://share.google/kLIqTR3zojdRYSzA9

$1800. Yikes... I was pretty close

What is even the point at that price? The target user base has to be minuscule for folks who can't use a gaming laptop and must have as much power as they can in the handheld form factor for $1800+.

 

[Shogmaster]

What is even the point at that price? The target user base has to be minuscule for folks who can't use a gaming laptop and must have as much power as they can in the handheld form factor for $1800+.

THERE ARE DOZENS OF US!