Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Jackson talking in falsetto was absolutely an affectation, how calculated a move that was I don't know, but he was definitely not speaking naturally.
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Michael Jackson: The Verdict | Official Trailer | Netflix
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Baemono
Gold Member
Funny enough he has only one song where he sings with his real voice
Reminds me of Jeffrey Osbourne's voice
Toots
Member
You are oversimplifying the situation.
A traumatising childhood like he had could cause serious developmental issues.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
You're not being rational here. Looking purely at the behaviour and putting aside whatever affection you have for the man's work or even for his story, his behaviour is absolutely not something that would be explained away in any other circumstance.
Sadly, many, many adults have had traumatising childhoods, including very successful people. Having innocent sleepovers with children when you're 35 is not a thing, even if you had a really bad upbringing.
Vick
Member
Let alone all the bullshit debunked from Leaving Neverland, or the 14 years FBI investigation concluded "without finding any evidence of criminal conduct on his part., I won't even go into the "conspiracy theory" that perfectly explains why this character assassination took place, but Jackson was innocent.
Weird, freak, whatever. But he never harmed a child. I've seen enough material in my life to know how much kids trusted and loved him, to know you can't use regular standards to judge a person like him.
A "regular black dude" won't spend time jumping on the bed like a little kid while being a guest in VIP houses.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
My dad grew up without a mother or father. Raised by his grandmother started working by shining shoes before he was 10. Even though "He DiDn'T hAvE a ChILdHoOd!" He's not a perv. Imagine that?
Vick
Member
Your dad wasn't what's arguably the greatest artist that has ever lived.
People brains aren't all wired equally.
There are so many things all around us to be thankful for. Wasn't it Robert Frost who wrote about the world a person can see in a leaf? I think that's true. That's what I love about being with kids. They notice everything. They aren't jaded. They get excited by things we've forgotten to get excited about any more. They are so natural too, so unselfconscious. I love being around them. There always seems to be a bunch of kids over at the house and they're always welcome. They energize me, just being around them. They look at everything with such fresh eyes, such open minds. That's part of what makes kids so creative. They don't worry about the rules. The picture doesn't have to be in the centre of the piece of paper. The sky doesn't have to be blue. They are accepting people too. The only demand they make is to be treated fairly and to be loved. I think that's what we all want. I would like to think that I'm an inspiration for the children I meet. I want kids to like my music. Their approval means more to me than anyone else's. It's always the kids who know which song is going to be a hit. You see kids who can't even talk yet, but they've got a little rhythm going. It's funny. But they're a tough audience. In fact, they're the toughest audience. There have been so many parents who have come to me and told me that their baby knows 'Beat It' or loves 'Thriller'. George Lucas told me his daughter's first words were 'Michael Jackson'. I felt on top of the world when he told me that.
The innocence of children represents to me the source of infinite creativity. This is not any intellectual kind of intelligence, but an intelligence that is full of wonder, magic, mystery and adventure. In this intelligence there is love, there is trust, there is joy and there is beauty. It is the kind of intelligence that will heal the world.
The magic, the wonder, the mystery and the innocence of a child's heart are the seeds of creativity that will heal the world. I really believe that.
What we need to learn from children isn't childish. Being with them connects us to the deeper wisdom of life, which is ever-present and only asks to be lived. They know the way to solutions that lie waiting to be recognized within our own hearts.
There are these two sweet little kids, a girl and a boy, and they're so innocent; they're the quintessential form of innocence, and just being in their presence I felt completely speechless, because I felt I was looking in the face of God whenever I saw them. They inspired me to write 'Speechless'"
One of my favourite pastimes is being with children – talking to them, playing with them. They're one of the main reasons why I do what I do. Children are more than adults. They know everything that people are trying to find out. They know so many secrets, but it's hard for them to get it out. I can recognize that and learn from it. They say some things that'll astound you. They go through brilliant, genius stages, but when they become a certain age, they lose it. So many people think certain things are childlike, but grown-ups are really nothing but children who have lost all that real magic by not noticing and digging and finding out. I believe in that deeply.
Truth is, Michael Jackson never did those things, as law can confirm, and all the people who truly knew him and were close to him can attest. And no amount of wild theories or shit you can write on this gaming forum, or amount of
left under hours of videos and factual statements is going to change that.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Yes, Jackson's victims for a start.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I was JUST thinking that.
bitbydeath
Member
Toots
Member
I never said his behavior could be explained away by his traumatizing childhood, i said the way you presented things is oversimplifying.
Maybe i should have said that sleeping with children as an adult is vile under any circonstance, even if you are a emotionally stunted adult who's had a traumatizing upbringing and the king of pop.
Just to be sure i follow your analogy, which of MJ kids is a divorced 50 something yo drowing their sorrows gossiping on a vg forum ?
More seriously your father had it tough, but it seems easy compared jackson's upbringing.
My grand father had his family killed during a WWII bombing and had to walk alone from Reims to Tours to go live at a distant relative place. Still getting lashed daily by your father because you don't perform the way he want you to perform is another level of abuse. The only equivalent i know would be Paco de Lucia, if the things that were said about his upbringing were true.
GymWolf
Member
I'm surprised chandler didnt tried to adopt him for his creepy social experiment...
Toots
Member
You know it is Ai because MJ would never grab the cage to prevent a takedown (at 0:15). He'd just moonwalk sprawl out of it.
Baemono
Gold Member
The problem I have with his former lawyer is that you can also find videos of him still defending Bill Cosby.
Like none of this is black or white.
First kid ? His father set up a talk with them to have a settlment before telling the press. A bit of a weird behaviour. But police depositions were weird as fuck. And a description which matched according to some sources, didn't match according to others.
Second kid ? Went to trial, no eidence, storry was messed up, and ended up to be found innocent of all charges. Like what were the odds ?
The "Living Neverlands" dudes ? Wade Robson is known to be an attention seeker for years. So when the story is "I need to defend him and his legacy" he showed up, and then when it dryed out, he was like "no but I remembered things he did". Okay, can happen, but the timeline of his story didn't make sense, as he was dating MJ's nephew at the time. And the other dude was like "yeah he was totally doing it in the train station" which was built after he said the abuse was over. And then "he went for MacCaulay Culkin (and another guy i forgot his name)" and they were like "no, he didn't".
And now, the family famous for selling fake songs, and are like "yeah we all got abused too" with an AI edited photo as proof after years of defending him, including during the Leaving Neverland stuff ?
And then you see stuff like "Yeah but Latoya said stuff in 1993" ignoring the fact that she admitted to have lied under his ex-husband's pressue. And other stuff like the NAMBLA-approved book, which is suspicious.
Baemono
Gold Member
He definitly had autistic traits.
