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[H . R . 2]

it's not about clean looking visuals, it's the fact that it's very easy to hide visual shortcomings by just shaking the camera a bunch and making everything fuzzy.

the same happend when that one dev uploaded a video of their concept for a shooter where you have the view of a body cam. people literally thought it was fake and not a real game because it looked too good... in reality it had zero special sauce beyond that shaky camera and lens effects hiding all the mediocre visuals it otherwise had.
it didn't even have proper lighting in some places and obvious missing shadows and ambient occlusion on objects.

that kind of visuals is impressive for people who wanna watch movies and don't want to play games I guess.

Batman Arkham Knight doesn't hide anything. the game had insane visuals for its time, especially for a UE3 game. with ridiculously good looking and well authored shaders, especially the water looked amazing.

meanwhile that gif there shows, like... nothing interesting... or especially good looking. just some blurry rocks and a shaky cam.

I agree and get what you are trying to say

but one of the primary functions of post-processing effects, as you yourself said it, is not only the fact that it helps hide flaws BUT ALSO helps emulate certain looks [cams, found footage, cinematic footage, etc. ]
I don't think they are using the wobbly camera to hide any shortcomings because the footage and the visuals seemed solid.
we always had the wobble in the Resident Evil series, Outlast and Gears of War even God of War 2018. they weren't trying to hide any flaws, per se. most gamers have had no problem with it, if anything, they like it
it emulates that handheld cam footage sort of look that some games need.

even Unrecord, the body cam game you mentioned, was amazing-looking and was called out merely because of how impressive the post-processing effects were
and how much they added to the fidelity of the graphics and immersion of gunfight in that genre to the point that it looked like a fake vertical slice

so I think what you're referring to is not that post-processing is bad, it is because the effects [CA, motion blur, etc.] are sometimes implemented poorly.
DC and the Order 1886 and AK used post-processing to create amazing atmospheres and visuals.
Being last-gen games, on a large screen they all look equally weak today.

that was because of the technical limitations of the time.
not because post-processing is not effective

look at ILL. or HB2. these are current-gen examples of PP effects done right

 

[H . R . 2]

This looks intriguing

 

[Bojji]

DF are big fans of Gears.







Whelp I guess you are not, lol.

In this thread we are salty bitches, and we need to see something really good looking to be seriously impressed. E-day, GOW, Senua and even Metro are not doing it...

 

[Bojji]

looks last gen as fuck. very ugly looking ue3 era brown lighting.

This sepia tone is refreshing after many purple games, fuck me. Game looks decent in that gameplay.

Yeah, I'm not really impressed. Looks worse than Laufey.

Not really, but if they didn't add RT lighting since PG:R they are on par when it comes to tech (but Requiem was much better looking than Ragnarok).

 

[Toots]

Gears of war despite having ugly characters, has better character details, while Wolverine is ugly but with worse graphics.

Complete layman pov here but to me GOW seems more detailed because of a much higher polygon count.

Wolverine has the a weird smooth skinned humans with no facial features that insommniac shares with remedy (tho in remedy case it is not as noticeable). It seems that insomniac formula is less polygons, no facial features, smear the whole in ambient occlusion and call it a day.

So my question is what are they doing with all those polygons they save by not using them ? Are they hoarding them for a future release ? Are all the polygons they did not use in previous game going to be used in spiderman 3 to render a 1:1 scale New York city populated by metahuman pnjs ? I wish but even i know it doesn't work that way so stop harding polygons insomniac just use them to make better looking games !

 

[Critical Hit]

In this thread we are salty bitches, and we need to see something really good looking to be seriously impressed. E-day, GOW, Senua and even Metro are not doing it...

All 3 presentations shows us that we shouldn't wait for next-gen graphics until the next-gen consoles arrive. But almost everything (except Sony 1st party) that was shown is exactly what I Expect This Gen.
The only next-gen we can expect right now come from path tracing updates.

 

[Radical_3d]

In this thread we are salty bitches, and we need to see something really good looking to be seriously impressed. E-day, GOW, Senua and even Metro are not doing it...

No. In this thread you are all UE5 Chinese slop lovers. Gears is the better looking game out there by a lot.

 

[Bojji]

No. In this thread you are all UE5 Chinese slop lovers. Gears is the better looking game out there by a lot.

Gears of War barely looks better than Gears 5 - and that was game done on UE4 and for Xbox 1.

They have nanite, HW lumen, VSMs, 2x more GPU power than One X (4x more CPU power) and this is how the game looks like?

Chinese games (so far) look better than this.

 

[Radical_3d]

Gears of War barely looks better than Gears 5 - and that was game done on UE4 and for Xbox 1.

They have nanite, HW lumen, VSMs, 2x more GPU power than One X (4x more CPU power) and this is how the game looks like?

Chinese games (so far) look better than this.

You're just proving me right. Go watch a trailer of a effeminate male making jumps while unbearable traditional instrument music is playing.

"Chinese Lute Fidelity I Expect This Gen".

 

[Cumulus]

Between this nonsense

No. In this thread you are all UE5 Chinese slop lovers. Gears is the better looking game out there by a lot.

and ofc this....

The graphic fidelity left between a PS4 and pre-rendered is so narrow that the difference with more advanced techniques must be seen on comparisons.

Geez dude, should we start a GoFundMe to sponsor you a trip to a good ophthalmologist?

 

[PeteBull]

Let's see what they'll do with the Ocarina of Time Remake. I want to praise the visuals of a Switch game by first time, I give it a 20% chance.

It has to run on switch2 at relatively stable 30fps and something like 540p dlssed to full hd, so max we could realistically expect is SW:Outlaws lvls of graphics if realistic setting, if not then it will look better but cant expect wonders from entry lvl(handheld) nvidia 2021 tech

 

[Critical Hit]

Gears of War barely looks better than Gears 5 - and that was game done on UE4 and for Xbox 1.

Is it though?

 

[winjer]

Is it though?

It doesn't look like a generational leap.

 

[Bojji]

Is it though?

There are city levels that don't look much different that what they showed in Gears E day footage.

Of course it looks better but it's not a generational leap, and Gears 5 was one of the best looking games of last gen.

 

[PeteBull]

Have to realize greed and money runs this industry like every other world industry. Real gamers want bleeding edge visuals, innovation, new gameplay, but casual NPC gamers think Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2 and Forza 6 are bleeding edge visually. The elites who run the world have their ideals trickle down into every edge of society. Games have just good enough visuals and the same gameplay loops because they are creating a product that aims to sell and appease the NPC majority people over the smaller amount of enthusiasts / real gamers. Companies have to make a revenue goal and sell enough and what's tried and true is their only care. The devs push back and the suits, others reach an agreement with them. The suits won't invest too much money into something risky or that won't guarantee profits. The business aspect wins until the dev team and consumers / gamers speak and then the business aspect changes just enough to appease. If consumers pivot too much the company closes for good.

Thats pure cope, bro, plenty studios make games with great visuals this gen, just platform holders(all 3, sony, ms and ninny but here coz of weak hardware) dropped the ball a lot compared to previous gen when they were among top of the top.
Game bugdets skyrocketed while quality went down and devtime increased- thats what happened with DEI infested western dev studios, i know some ppl will say colleration doesnt mean causation but there is srs pattern recognition going on

If gta6 looks mid then i will eat my words but chances are it will look top1 even if we compare gta6 ps5 footage vs most high budget AAA pr0 footage (again, not fps, iq but graphic fidelity wise), obviously series S will look like blurry mess xD

 

[RafterXL]

You're just proving me right. Go watch a trailer of a effeminate male making jumps while unbearable traditional instrument music is playing.

"Chinese Lute Fidelity I Expect This Gen".

I'll take an effeminate male playing a lute over Microsoft's bullshit. They done nothing but push slop both in and out of game for the last decade and are the tip of the spear for what's wrong with Western gaming. Sorry an Asian man triggers you but it's not remotely close which is worse.

Also, Gears wasn't in the top 5 best looking games shown off this week. At least it looked better than Wolverine, though that isn't saying much.

 

[Bojji]

I finally saw Halo footage, outside of that fucking purple game looks quite great, better that other MS showings.

 

[RafterXL]

Fine, it's gone. But turning turning Cortana into Jerma isn't the graphical fidelity I expect this gen.

 

[Cumulus]

please don`t bring more of the culture war twitter shit into the graphics(tech) thread.

 

[Bojji]

please don`t bring more of the culture war twitter shit into the graphics(tech) thread.

Yeah, we should keep this shit out of here (and I'm aiming this message to myself as well) but it's quite obvious what MS is trying to do here.

Graphically, game looks very sweet (dynamic lighting in gameplay is amazing).

 

[Critical Hit]

It doesn't look like a generational leap.

This applies to everything shown and that releases this year. And it looks much better than Wolverine.

 

[winjer]

This applies to everything shown and that releases this year. And it looks much better than Wolverine.

Wolverine looks like shit. So that is a very low standard for a point of argument.

 

[Critical Hit]

Wolverine looks like shit. So that is a very low standard for a point of argument.

Everything else coming out this year has looked like shit, except for Halo. I think only GTA6 and Black Flag will beat it. Maybe Control too, if we get the path-tracing version this year.

 

[Bojji]

If metro has path tracing it has potential to look mind-blowing.

 

[winjer]

Everything else coming out this year has looked like shit, except for Halo. I think only GTA6 and Black Flag will beat it. Maybe Control too, if we get the path-tracing version this year.

Halo didn't look amazing. There are were better looking games, like Plague Tale and Metro.

 

[Critical Hit]

Plague Tale

It looked great at first glance, but not so much on second viewing. We'll see.

Metro

2027, and doesn't look like a generational leap either, even though I was expecting that from 4A Games.

 

[Lootlord]

If metro has path tracing it has potential to look mind-blowing.

I must be the only one here that thinks Metro 2039 is the best looking game so far.

 

[Bojji]

I must be the only one here that thinks Metro 2039 is the best looking game so far.

I think it looks good but it's the the jump from Exodus that I expected.

 

[Lootlord]

I think it looks good but it's the the jump from Exodus that I expected.

I think it's a clear step up from Exodus.
There is so much micro detail in the environment and the textures are also alot better.
Even the characters look good now.
Mesh density is much higher too.

 

[analog_future]

Gears of War barely looks better than Gears 5 - and that was game done on UE4 and for Xbox 1.

They have nanite, HW lumen, VSMs, 2x more GPU power than One X (4x more CPU power) and this is how the game looks like?

Chinese games (so far) look better than this.

Is it though?

I think part of it is that Gears 5 was arguably one of the top 5 best looking games of last gen, so the expectation was for E-Day to follow suite. Instead E-Day just looks like a mid UE5 game.


Again, hopefully the PC version surprises us.

 

[Bitstream]

It's not that Metro looks bad, it just doesn't have the full CGI look of other games like iLL and Crossfire

 

[Buggy Loop]

Today will we see a slew of UE5 games ported to Switch 2 due to the new software Lumen version for mobile chips that is faster?

NateTheHate seem to think that Silent Hill 2 and MGS 3 delta are coming



Wouldn't be graphic fidelity material nor am I interested in buying those on Switch 2 but interesting to see how UE5 eventually performs with the updates

 

[Jack Howitzer]

If metro has path tracing it has potential to look mind-blowing.

It has to, Jensen won't miss the show, 4A&cdpr&remedy these are always nvidia's closest sidekicks.
As for Metro seems like the scenery design and art direction looks very decent this time so even if the graphics are lacking in some aspects I think the overall results are still gonna be promising? As long as they can get rid of their old yee yee ass extremely blurry textures (which plagued exodus way too often ) then comparing to other "too inconsistent for no reason " slops I think most of us are gonna be very happy to give credit where credit is due

 

[SlimySnake]

Halo didn't look amazing. There are were better looking games, like Plague Tale and Metro.

halo's new levels look much better than the remake levels.

it has that cg look ue5 games have mastered so well this gen. look at this explosion.

the lighting and materials in this gif are sublime.

i do agree that the main campaign looks a bit mid.

 

[winjer]

halo's new levels look much better than the remake levels.

it has that cg look ue5 games have mastered so well this gen. look at this explosion.

the lighting and materials in this gif are sublime.

i do agree that the main campaign looks a bit mid.

It doesn't look bad. It's not Wolverine.
But it's also not the most impressive UE5 game out there. It's still a competent work.

 

[mrMUR_96]

What are people smoking in this channel, xbox event delivered banger after banger visually, these are amongst the best looking upcoming games and everyone is so negative. What actually satisfies you guys? Metro, Gears, Hellblade, Fable and then Resi and ILL from the playstation showcase too all look top tier. I agree it's good to have high standards and expectations for this generation, but now games are finally making use of current gen tech visually and you're all still so negative about it. Remember these are 6 year old consoles. I'm finally satisfied visually this generation after this show, it just took way too long to get going this generation.

 

[mrMUR_96]

A top-class cinematic game is completely losing its all cinematic feel and details, Hellblade has now become purely a mobile game. I couldn't even finish watching the trailer.

I hope this is a spin-off or a game mod?

You're complaining about hellblade actually having gameplay this time?

 

[Bojji]

What are people smoking in this channel, xbox event delivered banger after banger visually, these are amongst the best looking upcoming games and everyone is so negative. What actually satisfies you guys? Metro, Gears, Hellblade, Fable and then Resi and ILL from the playstation showcase too all look top tier. I agree it's good to have high standards and expectations for this generation, but now games are finally making use of current gen tech visually and you're all still so negative about it. Remember these are 6 year old consoles. I'm finally satisfied visually this generation after this show, it just took way too long to get going this generation.

"Good" is not enough for us, many of those game barely look better than cross gen titles (limited by X1 and PS4) we were seeing at the beginning of the generation.

 

[Cumulus]

but now games are finally making use of current gen tech visually and you're all still so negative about it.

Do they? Where are the virtual geometry enabled- high detail assets like in Wukong? Why are textures still such an extreme hit and miss? Why are not more games pushing volumetric-simulation like f.e. Crimson Desert? Why do so few games use proper rtgi systems like AC:Shadows? We´ve seen all that running on the consoles already, so why is this missing from most high profile releases announced for 2027+?
No one is expecting PT on consoles, but what we`re seeing is still 80+% last gen tech with upped sliders, like in Laufey or Gears..... Solid, competent but most of all "safe" and without a lot of visible ambition.

There are very few games that seem to actually try to push the envelope like ILL.

 

[SlimySnake]

this nintendo direct is torture.

 

[Gonzito]

this nintendo direct is torture.

And childish

 

[SlimySnake]

not showing zelda after revealing it is insane but graphics do look to be modern.

kingdom hearts looks mid but could just be the switch version. its ue5 after all.

And childish

100%

 

[Msamy]

this nintendo direct is torture.

I never put it on my list hopefully epic games will show as something amazing next week

 

[analog_future]

not showing zelda after revealing it is insane but graphics do look to be modern.

kingdom hearts looks mid but could just be the switch version. its ue5 after all.

100%

With the 2026 date, I like the move to not show more actually.

 

[Toots]

this nintendo direct is torture.

And childish

Who in this thread was waiting for nintendo to achieve even current gen visual fidelity ??

 

[Pharaoh 117]

Nintendo will save us, my fellow graphics whores.

 

[GymWolf]

Nintendo will save us, my fellow graphics whores.

Maybe we finally get a zelda that look like that fake wii u trailer...

 

[Bojji]

Nintendo will save us, my fellow graphics whores.

We are almost reaching that Wii U tech demo

 

[Bitstream]

We are almost reaching that Wii U tech demo

Still have no clue why they went from this to the cell shaded ps2 looking games they released on switch.

 

[Bojji]

Still have no clue why they went from this to the cell shaded ps2 looking games they released on switch.

I think they couldn't replicate this level of fidelity in open world game on Wii U (similar to TW3 trailers vs. final game).