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My man Musk becomes world’s first trillionaire

Nocty said:
I know you're joking but.... He could give every person on the planet (8 billion people) $100 bucks each and still have money left over.

I don't think people realise how much a trillion dollars actually is. A million fucking millions. Staggering sums.
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And yet only half of the national deficit for this year.
 
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Nocty said:
I know you're joking but.... He could give every person on the planet (8 billion people) $100 bucks each and still have money left over.

I don't think people realise how much a trillion dollars actually is. A million fucking millions. Staggering sums.
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IDKFA said:
I see how It's easy to walk away with that impression if we only look at the final construction phase. Universities are not building rockets.
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Nor are universities putting out complete blueprints for advanced rockets that just need manufacture and assembly.
IDKFA said:
However, without universities, the entire space industry would grind to a halt. Companies like Space X need people who have spent 4 to 8 years at a university learning advanced calculus, orbital mechanics, material science etc.
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This is true, but Harvard, with its MASSIVE endowment, or similar institutions, doesn't need gov funding. Gov money isn't the limiter on engineers and theorists.

IDKFA said:
What is the argument here? Do you think governments should spend less on science? Maybe my point was clumsy, and if so I apologise because we probably actually agree.

An ideal future is governments spending more on science, but working with private companies like Space X.
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We do agree, its a potato/potato thing, we are 95% aligned.

IDKFA said:
This part I agree with. SpaceX fundamentally redefined the cost of getting to space, and they did it by moving faster than a government bureaucracy ever could.


This part I completely disagree with. The reason NASA can take five to ten years to put a single scientific probe into space isn't just bureaucracy (though there's plenty of that). It's that both are vastly different.
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Given my years in government, I don't believe this. Government breeds slow, conservative, risk adverse, paper pushers. Getting a project done under budget and in less time isn't rewarded, especially if it comes with risk or violating some paper rule. SpaceX pushed the envelope like no other. Even the great space race in the 60's just threw $$$ at the problem to beat the ruskies.
 
"My man Musk becomes world's first trillionaire"

Your man, huh?

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Nocty said:
I know you're joking but.... He could give every person on the planet (8 billion people) $100 bucks each and still have money left over.

I don't think people realise how much a trillion dollars actually is. A million fucking millions. Staggering sums.
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Mate, you don't even seem to understand his wealth is tied to equity not dollar bills. No, he could not give 8 billion people 100 bucks, stop being condescending.
 
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His acquisition of twitter (old name for X) is one of the most pivotal moments of the 21st century for Western civilisation. It may well end up being one of the most pivotal moments for it full stop.

He deserves every bit of success.
 
People framing his wealth into fiat currency is doing a disservice to the argument of what is genuinely earned.

The average individual earns approximately 2 million in their lifetime. Most don't and a few earn way more than that.

To earn 1 trillion in a lifetime it means your 500,000x more productive/worth than your fellow human being. Think deep about this for more than a second...

Does anyone think Elon is mentally smarter or physically active 500,000x the average person? I think not. That's in the realms of AI/computer levels of potential, not anything a human being is capable of. If he was able to generate that kind of productivity it would theoretically solve even something as simple as poverty. So why in the age of Elon is poverty worse than ever?
Everyone majorly benefitted from something as ancient as the invention of the tractor, for example, it replaced the labor of dozens to hundreds of workers in a single output and that benefit for society was measured and spread much more proportionately. Why can't that be replicated today? Because we are in a hierarchy where those in the top percentages take more from their inventions/technology/productivity than the fair share they output to society OR we no longer measure in worth to society but just numbers/efficiency, which is a major problem in any economy that uses fiat currency...

With that said I don't hate Elon, I think he's one of the better elites out there because of what he has put together, but that wealth isn't in any way improving society as a whole proportionately, on contrary it's becoming more extreme, and he is only one example.
 
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Brazen said:
People framing his wealth into fiat currency is doing a disservice to the argument of what is genuinely earned.

The average individual earns approximately 2 million in their lifetime. Most don't and a few earn way more than that.

To earn 1 trillion in a lifetime it means your 500,000x more productive/worth than your fellow human being. Think deep about this for more than a second...

Does anyone think Elon is mentally smarter or physically active 500,000x the average person? I think not. That's in the realms of AI/computer levels of potential, not anything a human being is capable of. If he was able to generate that kind of productivity it would theoretically solve even something as simple as poverty. So why in the age of Elon is poverty worse than ever?
Everyone majorly benefitted from something as ancient as the invention of the tractor, for example, it replaced the labor of dozens to hundreds of workers in a single output and that benefit for society was measured and spread much more proportionately. Why can't that be replicated today? Because we are in a hierarchy where those in the top percentages take more from their inventions/technology/productivity than the fair share they output to society OR we no longer measure in worth to society but just numbers/efficiency, which is a major problem in any economy that uses fiat currency...

With that said I don't hate Elon, I think he's one of the better elites out there because of what he has put together, but that wealth isn't in any way improving society as a whole proportionately and he is only one example.
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I think in this instance, it's more about the measure of ownership and scale. If someone builds or owns systems used by hundreds of millions of people, the value generated can far exceed what any single person's labor could produce.
 
Agave said:
I think in this instance, it's more about the measure of ownership and scale. If someone builds or owns systems used by hundreds of millions of people, the value generated can far exceed what any single person's labor could produce.
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Correct, that's the way it should work. Why I used the tractor analogy. But what he, along with all other elites has built/own doesn't benefit near as much to society as the numbers would suggest.
 
Brazen said:
Correct, that's the way it should work. Why I used the tractor analogy. But what he, along with all other elites has built/own doesn't benefit near as much to society as the numbers would suggest.
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I mean, I'd assume the market value of something isn't always equal to its direct social benefit? The're two different measurements, right?

Its value isn't based only on how much it helps society today, rather it's based on what the investors and consumers think its future earnings and impact will be
 
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Agave said:
I mean, I'd assume the market value of something isn't always equal to its direct social benefit? The're two different measurements, right?

Its value isn't based only on how much it helps society today, rather it's based on what the investors and consumers think its future earnings and impact will be
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The market value of whatever's social benefit should be the same thing as its future earnings/potential. I mean if something doesn't have as much benefit for society there's not much future or earnings in it, right? But society as a whole should benefit in the same realm as to what their fellow human is capable of producing. It should be more proportionate to everyone if some invention/ownership is 500,000x more productive than the average individual.
 
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Brazen said:
The market value of whatever's social benefit should be the same thing as its future earnings/potential. I mean if something doesn't have as much benefit for society there's not much future or earnings in it, right? But society as a whole should benefit in the same realm as to what their fellow human is capable of producing. It should be more proportionate to everyone if some invention/ownership is 500,000x more productive than the average individual.
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If we're worth on how much we benefit society, then teachers and nurses would likely be among the highest-paid people in the economy, but that's not how the economy works, where markets primarily reward scarcity, demand, ownership, and the ability to generate revenue, not necessarily the total social value created. I understand what you mean, how can someone have so much money, yet their extreme wealth doesn't reflect back as much towards its economic systems that allow a disproportionate share of the value created by technology and innovation to only be captured by a small elite rather than broadly benefiting the rest of society? In that I say . . . I don't know, I didn't think I get this far into a conversation about rich people ;-;
 
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Agave said:
If we're worth on how much we benefit society, then teachers and nurses would likely be among the highest-paid people in the economy, but that's not how the economy works, where markets primarily reward scarcity, demand, ownership, and the ability to generate revenue, not necessarily the total social value created. I understand what you mean, how can someone have so much money, yet their extreme wealth doesn't reflect back as much towards its economic systems that allow a disproportionate share of the value created by technology and innovation to only be captured by a small elite rather than broadly benefiting the rest of society? In that I say
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Yes, that is what I'm trying to articulate. Especially if we adjust for inflation, the earnings of most typical U.S. workers have remained largely flat for nearly half a century, since around the 1970s, despite massive increases in overall worker productivity. Technology just by itself should make goods/services cheaper comparatively, except the exact opposite is happening especially in recent years.

edit, Elon himself has said in interviews that technology, through AI/robot productivity alone, will eventually make everything basically free. I'm not sure where he is coming up with that though or if he is just full of hot air in the moment, the roadmap just isn't there, at all. Certainly not trending that way.
 
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Brazen said:
Yes, that is what I'm trying to articulate. Especially if we adjust for inflation, the earnings of most typical U.S. workers have remained largely flat for nearly half a century, since around the 1970s, despite massive increases in overall worker productivity. Technology just by itself should make goods/services cheaper comparatively, except the exact opposite is happening especially in recent years.
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In that I agree, there is an imbalance in how innovation is distributed, where mechanisms for sharing that value favor shareholders and asset owners over wage earners. Part of me wants to say it's rise of AI and how many are revolting against further technological growth and would rather revert back to manual labor, despite the fact that nearly every major improvement in living standards throughout history came from technology reducing the amount of labor required to produce the same output.
 
Brazen said:
The market value of whatever's social benefit should be the same thing as its future earnings/potential. I mean if something doesn't have as much benefit for society there's not much future or earnings in it, right? But society as a whole should benefit in the same realm as to what their fellow human is capable of producing. It should be more proportionate to everyone if some invention/ownership is 500,000x more productive than the average individual.
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People vote on what is beneficial to society using their wallets, can't get more democratic than that. Even if something like that were actionable then the state would still find a way to fuck it up.

The real problem with capitalism is corporatism and lobbying. The world has definitely gotten worse as corporations have been able to wield increasing political power.
 
I don't really understand why people hate a person for being successful. Should he be less successful in his entrepreneurship to make others feel better? It's not like he's hiring thieves to rob Fort Knox or hacking the central bank in Brussels.
 
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Trilobit said:
I don't really understand why people hate a person for being successful. Should he be less successful in his entrepreneurship to make others feel better? It's not like he's hiring thieves to rob Fort Knox or hacking the central bank in Brussels.
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he's not hated for being successful. He's hated because he's a thin-skinned asshole who wants to run the world like a Bond villain.
 
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Brazen said:
Correct, that's the way it should work. Why I used the tractor analogy. But what he, along with all other elites has built/own doesn't benefit near as much to society as the numbers would suggest.
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Space x might be the single most important venture ever taken by man kind.

It's not there yet of course but it's making incredible progress.
 
Trilobit said:
I don't really understand why people hate a person for being successful. Should he be less successful in his entrepreneurship to make others feel better? It's not like he's hiring thieves to rob Fort Knox or hacking the central bank in Brussels.
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People are jealous.... news at 11.

Like anyone here would act any different being in his position...
 
IlGialloMondadori said:
he's not hated for being successful. He's hated because he's a thin-skinned asshole who wants to run the world like a Bond villain.
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Could you elaborate on that a bit? What has he done that is like a Bond villain? I don't need specific examples, just sort of why you feel that way. I certainly don't but would be very interested in your perspective
 
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Nocty said:
I know you're joking but.... He could give every person on the planet (8 billion people) $100 bucks each and still have money left over.

I don't think people realise how much a trillion dollars actually is. A million fucking millions. Staggering sums.
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Alright, I'll bite:

Elon Musk wakes up on Monday after following chief smoothbrain Nocty's advice and dumps 50%( not even 100% of his wealth) to give $50 bucks to everyone:

  • The Cataclysmic Open: Elon wakes up, files the notices, and unleashes hell. He floods the market with half his Tesla empire (~$300 billion worth of shares) and half his freshly public SpaceX stake (500 billion worth of shares). In one apocalyptic morning, over $1.5 trillion in Musk-controlled stock slams into the bids. Screens bleed red. Wall Street circuit breakers explode like fireworks. Tesla and SpaceX shares don't fall — they plunge into the abyss, cratering 40-60% in hours as buyers vanish and panic devours the tape.

  • Trillions Vaporized in Flames: The Musk duo's collapse drags the entire Magnificent 7 into the inferno. These seven tech gods, bloated to ~$23 trillion combined, shed $4-7 trillion in days as the "visionary premium" dies screaming. Nvidia, Apple, Microsoft, and the rest bleed out in harmony — algorithms dump everything technology adjacent. The broader U.S. market, worth over $75 trillion, hemorrhages $8-12 trillion or more in a single week of pure terror. Global equities? Another bloodbath, with trillions more erased worldwide. Retirement dreams evaporate in real time.

  • Pension Funds Annihilated: Teachers, firefighters, nurses, and millions of everyday retirees watch their life savings get slaughtered. Pension giants loaded with tech and Tesla/SpaceX exposure see hundreds of billions wiped out overnight. 401(k)s and IRAs crater 20-40%. Elderly couples stare at statements showing decades of contributions gutted. "Safe" index funds become vehicles of destruction. Governments face furious calls to bail out the broken — but the damage is already done, sparking political rage and demands for investigations into this unknown man Nocty who broke the system.

  • Job Apocalypse Unleashed: Tesla and SpaceX alone trigger immediate mass layoffs — factories slow, projects freeze, suppliers collapse. But that's just the spark. The Magnificent 7 slash tens of thousands more as valuations implode and growth dreams die. Auto workers, battery miners, AI engineers, satellite techs, logistics crews — hundreds of thousands to over a million jobs vaporized globally in the first wave. Factories idle. Innovation stalls. The ripple turns into a tsunami: construction halts, service industries freeze, entire regions tied to EV and space tech sink into despair.

  • Global Recession Ignited: The contagion doesn't stop at borders. Vulnerable economies shatter. Japan, already teetering, sees its export machine seize up — auto and tech giants reel, the yen carry trade explodes, and recession fears turn into reality as confidence evaporates. Europe and South Korea follow into the pit. Emerging markets face capital flight and currency wars. Supply chains snap. Consumer spending dies as fear grips households. Central banks cut rates in panic, but the psychological wound is too deep. What starts as a Musk sale becomes the trigger for a full-blown global recession, with GDP shrinking, unemployment surging worldwide, and years of pain ahead.

  • The "Give Back" Irony: Amid the smoking ruins, Elon begins distributing hundreds of billions. Some cheer as cash hits accounts and sparks fleeting spending frenzies. But for the millions watching their pensions bleed, jobs disappear, and homes lose value, it feels like blood money. Lawsuits, congressional hearings, and public fury erupt. By that point drastic rate cuts and massive bailouts have caused a wave of inflation and the $50 bucks is now worth $40. The hero who promised the future just burned it down to "help" people.

Well done Nocty you got yourself $50 bucks, now buy something stupid.
 
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More than the GDP of Taiwan.

MarV0 said:
Alright, I'll bite:

Elon Musk wakes up on Monday after following chief smoothbrain Nocty's advice and dumps 50%( not even 100% of his wealth) to give $50 bucks to everyone:

<AI Slop>

Well done Nocty you got yourself $50 bucks, buy something stupid.
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I believe the point was to demonstrate how much a trillion dollars is, not to say that he should actually do it. Come to think of it, you've only just proven his point.
 
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Dr.Guru of Peru said:
More than the GDP of Taiwan.



I believe the point was to demonstrate how much a trillion dollars is, not to say that he should actually do it. Come to think of it, you've only just proven his point.
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There is no point to be made. Nvidia is worth more than the GDP of India, that is 1.47 billion people.

It's not a lot of money because the money doesn't actually exist and theoretically giving each person $100 is pathetic.

The miracle of corporate America and people like Elon needs to be celebrated not envied.
 
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Dr.Guru of Peru said:
I believe the point was to demonstrate how much a trillion dollars is, not to say that he should actually do it. Come to think of it, you've only just proven his point.
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I think it's much easier if we put it like this: The United States of America government has a deficit (real money owed), every year, twice as big as Elon's paper wealth. It also spends 7 times more than Elon's wealth every single year. The cherry on top: all this money is stolen from the labor of others.
And that's just one country. If the USA were able to confiscate all of Elon's wealth (100%), the us government would still be short of 1 trillion that year plus every single year after, only you would have effectively destroyed the economy (and Elon's wealth).

We do in fact have a monster worldwide, it's governments spending.
 
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thefool said:
I think it's much easier if we put it like this: The United States of America government has a deficit (real money owed), every year, twice as big as Elon's paper wealth. It also spends 7 times more than Elon's wealth every single year. The cherry on top: all this money is stolen from the labor of others.
And that's just one country. If the USA were able to confiscate all of Elon's wealth (100%), the us government would still be short of 1 trillion that year plus every single year after, only you would have effectively destroyed the economy (and Elon's wealth).

We do in fact have a monster worldwide, it's governments spending.
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Stolen from the labor of others? Do you mean taxes?
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Could you elaborate on that a bit? What has he done that is like a Bond villain? I don't need specific examples, just sort of why you feel that way. I certainly don't but would be very interested in your perspective
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Sure. Injecting himself into world politics. Getting involved in the US government / DOGE, whatever data they stole. Trying to manipulate polical outcomes worldwide - UK, Germany, US, etc. he uses twitter to amplify misinformation to sway opinions and elections.
 
On the contrary, Elon liberating twitter (old name for X) has allowed government misinformation to be challenged. This why those governments hate him so much. The globalists had that shit locked down when every major platform was aligned with them and did their bidding.
 
calico said:
On the contrary, Elon liberating twitter (old name for X) has allowed government misinformation to be challenged. This why those governments hate him so much. The globalists had that shit locked down when every major platform was aligned with them and did their bidding.
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Uh huh

Yes, everyone knows his wealth isn't liquid, but the reality is having that much wealth that is locked into companies has enormous power, and it's why he'll never face any consequences and does whatever he wishes, the things you hear about and the ones you don't.

Why would anyone want someone who is such a gigantic loser as to lie about being the best at Diablo and Path of Exile and then also being dumb enough to be caught at it to be in charge of anything? If he was in charge of the local 7-11 you'd question if maybe he has too much power if he's that fucking lame.
 
IlGialloMondadori said:
Sure. Injecting himself into world politics. Getting involved in the US government / DOGE, whatever data they stole. Trying to manipulate polical outcomes worldwide - UK, Germany, US, etc. he uses twitter to amplify misinformation to sway opinions and elections.
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What about the billionaires who pushed the last 20 years of identity politics, influenced immigration policies, financed politicians who enabled trillions of debt and mass inflation those are the good guys? Twitter used as Stasi where a government was actively censuring their own citizens, was this good manipulation?
 
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Musk's wealth still has nothing on the bankers in the background

Musk actually does productive things with his time and resources

Removing censorship from twitter is one of the most important things anyone has ever done

Leftists hating Musk should tell you everything you need to know
 
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Is he rich enough to just buy the planet?

Inflation was going to make him a Trillionaire eventually. My classic cars have nearly doubled in value in the last 4 to 5 years. All it does is increase my cost for insurance. Everything is so expensive now.
 
thefool said:
What about the billionaires who pushed the last 20 years of identity politics, influenced immigration policies, financed politicians who enabled trillions of debt and mass inflation those are the good guys? Twitter used as Stasi where a government was actively censuring their own citizens, was this good manipulation?
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I didn't say anyone was a good guy. I am not talking about anyone else, because this is about Musk.

I said Musk is a fucking dipshit and shouldn't have that much power.

If we're talking about other people, no one should have that much power.
 
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