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[SlimySnake]

To that end, I also wonder how many of those original naughty dog geniuses still work there. Passion or not, doing 80-90 hour weeks for months on end will lose its appeal, especially as you get married and start a family. How many of those original geniuses would stay behind and want to keep pushing the boundary while getting forced to work on mandated GAAS trash or whatever lesbian fantasy druckmann is dreaming up?

I know a lot of you are hopeful that ND still has the goods, but I think it's time to face the music. After their underwhelming and uninspired intergalactic trailer, maybe they just don't have that dog in them anymore?

After however many years they had to work on this, at best they came up a lesbians in space cowboy bebop setting with a 'souls like' combat vs uninspired robots.

Maybe their best days are behind them?

Sorry to quote your post again, but looks like you were right. An ex ND artist confirmed that the studio is completely different from when he was there making U2, U3 and U4. He said top to bottom, from art directors to concept artists. the only one left from the old days is Neil. and we know he out making tv shows until 2025.

 

[Bitstream]

Sorry to quote your post again, but looks like you were right. An ex ND artist confirmed that the studio is completely different from when he was there making U2, U3 and U4. He said top to bottom, from art directors to concept artists. the only one left from the old days is Neil. and we know he out making tv shows until 2025.

All thats left of ND

 

[anyasok]

Place your bets
Is the GTA 6 Trailer 3 captured on PS5 PRO or Base PS5?

Previous trailers have all been Base PS5.


Thats actually great news to me. I want nothing to do with another bland open world game, espcially in the Horror genre. Keep it linear as fuck and ramp up the atmosphere
Im absolutely loving it.

WHat Would've been dope is a dynamic day/night cycle. You're out in Raccoon City and night hits/ zombie become more active. could have been an actual game mechanic

Dying light series has that mechanic

 

[kevboard]

Sorry to quote your post again, but looks like you were right. An ex ND artist confirmed that the studio is completely different from when he was there making U2, U3 and U4. He said top to bottom, from art directors to concept artists. the only one left from the old days is Neil. and we know he out making tv shows until 2025.

as someone who doesn't like any post Jak 3 game from Naughty Dog, I kinda don't care about this lol.
if anything this could be a good thing from my perspective.

but then again, I don't expect much either way.

the team behind the Jak games has been gone for a while. the main designer behind them, previously to that of Sonic 1-3 fame, of course first leaving for Nintendo, and now works at Unity I think lol.

 

[Kaiserstark]

Sorry to quote your post again, but looks like you were right. An ex ND artist confirmed that the studio is completely different from when he was there making U2, U3 and U4. He said top to bottom, from art directors to concept artists. the only one left from the old days is Neil. and we know he out making tv shows until 2025.

All thats left of ND

That's absolutely not true. For example, to name a few, there's Erick Pangilinan, who joined Naughty Dog in 1997 and went on to become Art Director on all the Uncharted games and The Last of Us. Now he's Head of Art.

Kurt Margenau and Anthony Newman, who are Game Director and Head of Production and Design respectively, have been with the studio for over 15 years.

Or Travis McIntosh, who is the Head of Technology, has also been with Naughty Dog for over 20 years.

You still have people who worked on Crash Bandicoot or Jack at the studio.

Even if you look at the majority of the studio's current leads, they've been there for over 10 or almost 20 years.

There will always be turnover of people leaving after each project because that's how the industry works, but to say that only Neil is left from the studio's old days is simply wrong.

In fact, in recent years quite a few people who worked at Naughty Dog have returned to the studio.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

Sorry to quote your post again, but looks like you were right. An ex ND artist confirmed that the studio is completely different from when he was there making U2, U3 and U4. He said top to bottom, from art directors to concept artists. the only one left from the old days is Neil. and we know he out making tv shows until 2025.

Holy fuck. You are in a graphics thread and you point to a guy that wasn't involved in TLOU2, which is far and away the best technical game from Naughty Dog, and you used that as a reason for the studio as "not being the same anymore". Losing Art directors and concept artists will not be the downfall of Naughty Dog. High turnover is the norm in this industry

Also, this developer said he would return to UC5 in a heartbeat. People within the gaming industry still view Naughty Dog as the "Harvard" of gaming. They still recruit the best talent in the US

I will say these ex-Naughty Dog dev interviews are fantastic. The interviewer comes across as an egotistical asshole on X, but he does a good job conducting these interviews. Outside of the crazy work hours, all of the ex-Naughty Dog devs seem positive on the experience of working there

 

[SlimySnake]

That's absolutely not true. For example, to name a few, there's Erick Pangilinan, who joined Naughty Dog in 1997 and went on to become Art Director on all the Uncharted games and The Last of Us. Now he's Head of Art.

Kurt Margenau and Anthony Newman, who are Game Director and Head of Production and Design respectively, have been with the studio for over 15 years.

Or Travis McIntosh, who is the Head of Technology, has also been with Naughty Dog for over 20 years.

You still have people who worked on Crash Bandicoot or Jack at the studio.

Even if you look at the majority of the studio's current leads, they've been there for over 10 or almost 20 years.

There will always be turnover of people leaving after each project because that's how the industry works, but to say that only Neil is left from the studio's old days is simply wrong.

In fact, in recent years quite a few people who worked at Naughty Dog have returned to the studio.

That's interesting to hear, but the turn over at nd was covered by schrier who pointed out how 14 out of the 20 design leads left the studio during tlou2's development.

Even if the people at the top are there, there have definitely been a lot of departures.

 

[Gonzito]

Naughty Dog died for me after playing The Woke of Us 2: The Attack of the Sandwich Bigots

 

[dgrdsv]

Naughty Dog died for me after playing The Woke of Us 2: The Attack of the Sandwich Bigots

The story was something else but gameplay wise and tech wise it was a great game.

 

[Gonzito]

The story was something else but gameplay wise and tech wise it was a great game.

Yeah the game itself and graphics are amazing but the story and dialogues, uffff

 

[Kaiserstark]

That's interesting to hear, but the turn over at nd was covered by schrier who pointed out how 14 out of the 20 design leads left the studio during tlou2's development.

Even if the people at the top are there, there have definitely been a lot of departures.

No, it was the non-lead designers and not the leads and it was after the development of Uncharted 4 not that of TLOU Part 2.

Of the 20 non-lead designers in the credits of 2016's Uncharted 4, a whopping 14—70 percent—are no longer at the studio

Otherwise, the majority of the leads for Uncharted 4 are still at Naughty Dog.

 

[Negotiator101]

Naughty Dog died for me after playing The Woke of Us 2: The Attack of the Sandwich Bigots

It was a revenge story at it's core from different perspectives.

 

[Gonzito]

It was a revenge story at it's core from different perspectives.

Okay thanks for the incredible information

 

[GymWolf]

Final Fantasy VII Revelation Director Explains Why The Game Is Using Unreal Engine 4 Instead Of UE5

Final Fantasy VII Revelation director Naoki Hamaguchi explained why the game continues to use Unreal Engine 4, citing development efficiency, custom technology, and a faster path to release.

noisypixel.net

Whatever game engine you use, you want us to look at the final output.

Exactly, exactly. You often hear of something called Nanite* when discussing UE5, but when we made Rebirth we made our own rendering system that was basically the same as Nanite, so we were able to have a comparable quality to UE5. As a development team we've made lots of AAA games up until now, so I hope players can place their trust in us

Shit devs for a shit milking operation game, no surprise here.

 

[GymWolf]

You can say what you want but the environments are beautiful in Gothic Remake.
It finally paid off to use UE5 (maybe besides the atrocious performance) but an AA game looking close to an AAA game

Nah, it look better than a lot of AAA aswell other than character models and animations.

It absolutely destroy stuff like cringe turding 2 or yotei or spiderman 2 outside of cutscenes.

 

[PeteBull]

Place your bets
Is the GTA 6 Trailer 3 captured on PS5 PRO or Base PS5?

Previous trailers have all been Base PS5.

If they show proper gameplay gotta be on the pr0, base ps5 was fine for cutscenes/in engine shit coz it wouldnt matter too much but gameplay is gameplay, we know game gonna have special price even for standard edition so my guess is rockstar will want to blow our minds and literally force us to preorder, aka pr0 gameplay is a must

 

[GymWolf]

On the hardest difficulty?

Yes, the game is a cakewalk with barely any friction, got bored after 20 hours and never looked back, such a shit ass game i swear.

First one wasnt really hard but you could die sometime.

 

[PeteBull]

Sorry to quote your post again, but looks like you were right. An ex ND artist confirmed that the studio is completely different from when he was there making U2, U3 and U4. He said top to bottom, from art directors to concept artists. the only one left from the old days is Neil. and we know he out making tv shows until 2025.

Cuckman didnt force out amy hennig only, he forced whole oldschool nd crew out

 

[amigastar]

Nah, it look better than a lot of AAA aswell other than character models and animations.

It absolutely destroy stuff like cringe turding 2 or yotei or spiderman 2 outside of cutscenes.

Thats true it looks better than a lot of AAA Titles, only the character models and animations like you said are on the weaker side.

 

[Toots]

It was a revenge story at it's core from different perspectives.

It was mainly a vehicle for neil "hollywood incel" druckmann to tell a story about how women cannot let go of grudges because they are resentful, vindicative, and a danger for themselves and people around.

 

[GymWolf]

It was mainly a vehicle for neil "hollywood incel" druckmann to tell a story about how women cannot let go of grudges because they are resentful, vindicative, and a danger for themselves and people around.

Sound like you have been married multiple times uh?

 

[Toots]

Sound like you have been married multiple times uh?

Those are neil's view of women not mine

 

[Negotiator101]

Okay thanks for the incredible information

You seem like your response was trying to suggest something thats not there, I'm just simplifying it for you.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Ripping out everything people liked from TLOU1 and taking a shit on it certainly takes balls. Commercially unwise but I respect the grift.

 

[GymWolf]

Bojji what message should i read ingame to know if dlss 4.5 profile M is turned on when you use the option in dlss swapper to get the notification ingame? Is it a fixed message or it can vary between games?

Because apparently many game dont change version unless you also operate in nvidia app\inspector to force the override...

Unless google ai is lying to me as usual...

 

[roosnam1980]

there are minor shadow/geometry LOD changes visible in the no law tech demo

 

[Gonzito]

You seem like your response was trying to suggest something thats not there, I'm just simplifying it for you.

Gotcha my brother

 

[GymWolf]

I wish i was loved as much as abby's muscles love shitty sources of proteins

 

[Bojji]

Bojji what message should i read ingame to know if dlss 4.5 profile M is turned on when you use the option in dlss swapper to get the notification ingame? Is it a fixed message or it can vary between games?

Because apparently many game dont change version unless you also operate in nvidia app\inspector to force the override...

Unless google ai is lying to me as usual...

When you enable DLSS overalay (in swapper) it will tell you the version in the bottom left corner.

For example Gothic remake is DLSS 4.5 only in game:

But when you change it to K in DLSS Swapper:

DLSS Swapper will not work will all games like that (window could be blank for profile like in onimusha demo) and sometimes game will override this setting and launch with their default profiles the next time you launch them (like MGS Delta) but for the most part it works very well.

NV profile inspector is the ultimate tool to do stuff like that if nothing else works.

 

[GymWolf]

When you enable DLSS overalay (in swapper) it will tell you the version in the bottom left corner.

For example Gothic remake is DLSS 4.5 only in game:

But when you change it to K in DLSS Swapper:

DLSS Swapper will not work will all games like that (window could be blank for profile like in onimusha demo) and sometimes game will override this setting and launch with their default profiles the next time you launch them (like MGS Delta) but for the most part it works very well.

NV profile inspector is the ultimate tool to do stuff like that if nothing else works.

I thought to find dlss 4.5 written instead of the actual version of dlss you put in the folder, now it make sense what i was reading


So would you say that the safest method in theory is to swap with swapper and then use inspector to force the override and chose the profile?

Just to cut any doubt if the game accepted the swap or not.

 

[Cumulus]

Edit: on second thought, no....

 

[Bojji]

I thought to find dlss 4.5 written instead of the actual version of dlss you put in the folder, now it make sense what i was reading


So would you say that the safest method in theory is to swap with swapper and then use inspector to force the override and chose the profile?

Just to cut any doubt if the game accepted the swap or not.

I have that DLSS OSD always turned on since DLSS 4.5 launch so I always know exactly what game is using (it's quite sweet for games with dynamic resolutions) but to be the most sure - you are right:

- using DLSS swapper to change DLSS files in game to the newest ones (or manual swap)
- using NV Profile Inspector to force profile you want.

What annoys me is that new games are forcing DLSS 4.5 even if end results are bad, for example 8020 has tons of artifacts with Performance because it switches to M model and that + UE5 = bad results (Balanced and Quality use 4.0). Games should have options like Crimson Desert (of course override still works even for 4.5 native games).

 

[analog_future]

Sorry to quote your post again, but looks like you were right. An ex ND artist confirmed that the studio is completely different from when he was there making U2, U3 and U4. He said top to bottom, from art directors to concept artists. the only one left from the old days is Neil. and we know he out making tv shows until 2025.

Surely it's a smart business move to let all the staff from several consecutive critical and commercial megahits to leave the company, right..?

 

[GymWolf]

I have that DLSS OSD always turned on since DLSS 4.5 launch so I always know exactly what game is using (it's quite sweet for games with dynamic resolutions) but to be the most sure - you are right:

- using DLSS swapper to change DLSS files in game to the newest ones (or manual swap)
- using NV Profile Inspector to force profile you want.

What annoys me is that new games are forcing DLSS 4.5 even if end results are bad, for example 8020 has tons of artifacts with Performance because it switches to M model and that + UE5 = bad results (Balanced and Quality use 4.0). Games should have options like Crimson Desert (of course override still works even for 4.5 native games).

Is it true that swapping framegen files is much easier because the game only read the file in the folder or whatever so you never have to force the override?

 

[Bojji]

Is it true that swapping framegen files is much easier because the game only read the file in the folder or whatever so you never have to force the override?

Yep, frame gen was like that from day one (and only few games didn't respond correctly to file swap).

Now they added new improved preset B for frame gen, but just file swapping old DLSS3 FG file will still get you DLSS4 quality FG.

 

[GymWolf]

Yep, frame gen was like that from day one (and only few games didn't respond correctly to file swap).

Now they added new improved preset B for frame gen, but just file swapping old DLSS3 FG file will still get you DLSS4 quality FG.

Preset...B? So now i need to change profile for framegen aswell? Does it work in every game or only super new ones?

 

[Bojji]

Preset...B? So now i need to change profile for framegen aswell? Does it work in every game or only super new ones?

I think it should work for everything (not sure).

Default DLSS FG for older games - DLSS3
When you switch .dll file - you get DLSS4
When you switch preset to B on that .dll file - you get DLSS4.5 FG (DLSS4 with default preset A I think)

Swapper has this setting in newer versions:

 

[GymWolf]

I think it should work for everything (not sure).

Default DLSS FG for older games - DLSS3
When you switch .dll file - you get DLSS4
When you switch preset to B on that .dll file - you get DLSS4.5 FG (DLSS4 with default preset A I think)

Swapper has this setting in newer versions:

Is it worth turning it on in your opinion?

 

[Bojji]

Is it worth turning it on in your opinion?

I think I tested it in one or two games, it looked good (can't say that it looked better than default DLSS4 FG). I think it has the same performance so it doesn't hurt, I rarely use FG.

 

[GymWolf]

I think I tested it in one or two games, it looked good (can't say that it looked better than default DLSS4 FG). I think it has the same performance so it doesn't hurt, I rarely use FG.

Thay actually say that it is heavier than normal...

 

[Bojji]

Thay actually say that it is heavier than normal...

Oh shit, I didn't know that lol.

So I guess use it only when default FG some serious hud artifacts problems.

 

[GymWolf]

Oh shit, I didn't know that lol.

So I guess use it only when default FG some serious hud artifacts problems.

They also said it can produce more artifacts in some cases

 

[SlimySnake]

So Laufey is indeed the Cory game. He pitched it to the actress in 2018 after shipping GOW. The Cube was there since the beginning.

Alannah pearce had confirmed that the cube came from Cory himself, and she was basically a part of a 4-5 person writer team for the first few years until the main team shipped ragnorak.

honestly, kinda crazy that both Neil and Cory turned out to be so detached to their own creations. People like tlou, uncharted and gow because of the main protagonists. actively making games that dont feature these protagonists is crazy. they did with Ghost of Tsushima too. I am glad Days Gone 2 never got made. I dont think i couldve played as his scientist wife.

 

[GymWolf]

So Laufey is indeed the Cory game. He pitched it to the actress in 2018 after shipping GOW. The Cube was there since the beginning.

Alannah pearce had confirmed that the cube came from Cory himself, and she was basically a part of a 4-5 person writer team for the first few years until the main team shipped ragnorak.

honestly, kinda crazy that both Neil and Cory turned out to be so detached to their own creations. People like tlou, uncharted and gow because of the main protagonists. actively making games that dont feature these protagonists is crazy. they did with Ghost of Tsushima too. I am glad Days Gone 2 never got made. I dont think i couldve played as his scientist wife.

Could this be just deflection and damage control after the not so positive reaction to the game?

Or corey is really living his death stranding phase like drunkman...

 

[Represent.]

First Screenshot from Kojima's "OD"

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

First Screenshot from Kojima's "OD"

Path tracing?

 

[Bojji]

Path tracing?

HW Lumen of UE5.

 

[Gonzito]

First Screenshot from Kojima's "OD"

is that a man with horns?

 

[Bitstream]

is that a man with horns?

Lmao whatever it is looks like a ps3 render printed on a piece of cardboard and thrown into the back of someone's closet for a photo.

 

[Bojji]

is that a man with horns?

I thought it was 02...