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Good idea to get a dedicated HEPA air purifier. They're not expensive.
You reminded about this, thanks. I kept one constantly during wildfire seasons in California but I haven't had too since I moved back - but it wouldn't kill me to have one at the ready to avoid the mad rush.
 
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The reality is that there's not that many people living in Canada, and especially there are very few people living in the north. I don't think we have enough resources to be able to totally control all these fires on our own, and we definitely can't address the root causes on our own. The rate at which these fires are happening is being accelerated by the world heating up. Whether or not we agree on the reasons why the world is heating up doesn't really matter. The numbers show that it's happening. Our politicians in North America need to start seriously addressing this instead of being cowards like they've been so far. Because it's going to take both of our countries to address the problem.
 
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I don't usually agree with the American ambassador, but I agree with him on this:
July 15, 2026

Over 800 wildfires are burning across Canada, with the largest alone rivaling the size of Washington, D.C., sending heavy smoke across the country and into communities on both sides of the border. Canadians living near these fires are already facing hazardous air quality, and that same smoke is now settling over the United States, including my home state of Michigan. This is a shared challenge, and it demands a shared response.

I commend the outstanding cooperation between the United States and Canada as we confront these fires together. Our two governments are monitoring and sharing information in real time – coordination that reflects our partnership at its best.

I am also deeply grateful for the brave people on the front lines – the firefighting crews, law enforcement, and other public safety personnel battling these blazes, and the teams monitoring conditions around the clock to keep the public safe and informed. Their dedication and professionalism are protecting lives and communities. Our thoughts are also with those who have lost loved ones, been displaced, or evacuated due to these devastating fires.

This challenge knows no borders. The United States will continue to coordinate closely with Canada, just as we have for more than four decades of shared wildfire emergencies.

Press Office

U.S. Embassy Ottawa
https://ca.usembassy.gov/statement-...hoekstra-on-the-wildfire-situation-in-canada/
 
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Who do you think is being dumb?

You serious ?

Smoke or fire does not follow frontier delimitations. Acting like Canada is deliberately causing fires to fuck with Americans is fucking dumb. As if we control the weather and wind

Let's crawl to daddy Trump to slap tariffs on smoke while we're at it 🤡

No, this is not "raking leaves" when most of northern Canada are Conifers and in the middle of fucking nowhere with barely any peoples living there.
 
You serious ?

Smoke or fire does not follow frontier delimitations. Acting like Canada is deliberately causing fires to fuck with Americans is fucking dumb. As if we control the weather and wind

Let's crawl to daddy Trump to slap tariffs on smoke while we're at it 🤡

No, this is not "raking leaves" when most of northern Canada are Conifers and in the middle of fucking nowhere with barely any peoples living there.
Thank you. At least I know where you're coming from.

I'll second that guy's sentiment if not his method to say if there is anything you guys can do to avoid this from happening in the future, it'd be much appreciated.
 
You serious ?

Smoke or fire does not follow frontier delimitations. Acting like Canada is deliberately causing fires to fuck with Americans is fucking dumb. As if we control the weather and wind

Nobody is saying that, friend. The claim is that Canada is neglegting the things it can and should control - thinning, fuel reduction, prescribed burns, etc.

No, this is not "raking leaves" when most of northern Canada are Conifers and in the middle of fucking nowhere with barely any peoples living there.

We've offered repeatedly to take the land off your hands if you can't manage it...
 
Nobody is saying that, friend. The claim is that Canada is neglegting the things it can and should control - thinning, fuel reduction, prescribed burns, etc.

We've offered repeatedly to take the land off your hands if you can't manage it...

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Every damn year. When will this end? Guess we need to wear masks for the rest of eternity. I had to dig mine out today.
I guess I should probably buy one, too, if Toronto's gonna become another Hong Kong in July. I think I only have leftover surgical masks, which are apparently useless against smoke :pie_thinking:.

We need to start having more fun with masks in this part of the world. They can be a fashion accessory while being practical imo.
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And they say education in the US is in bad shape...

"The claim is that Canada is neglegting the things it can and should control - thinning, fuel reduction, prescribed burns, etc."

And that is done of course every fucking years, but do you have any concept of the scale?

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And what is Canada's mere 41M peoples population map?

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Oh so the complete opposite of the boreal forest. To the surprise of no one.

Canada's boreal forest is the largest remaining intact forest ecosystem on Earth. Thinning that? There's no fucking road infrastructures. It's some of the most remote places on the planet. Even with the resources, how much thinning? It's the fucking lungs of the earth, It's the largest terrestrial carbon sink, it stores twice as much carbon per acre as tropical rainforests. You're incommoded with a slight orange tint in the sky and you want to put the axe in the lungs?

Fucking hell I guess UK has figured it all out uh? Chop everything down in the past hundreds years and have shrubs.

Canada does thinning yearly near populated areas and strategic areas. The conspirationists even took a photo of such thinning and thought that Canada was setting fire to the forests uncontrollably :rolleyes:

You can't realistically do much to thin the boreal forest, not at that kind of scale. USA cannot even do it with 300M+ more population and smaller forest areas. The entire population of Canada is roughly California's.

There will always be wildfires, lightning strikes (not PG&E power lines). Now the arctic is warming up faster than anywhere else on the planet.

Maybe we should remove as many cubic tons of potash exports to US farmers as the orange man wants to add to coal burning yearly. Get your shit together after all, you're top 3 responsible for this shift in temperatures, and in your own state up North too.

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As for how well you're doing of a job :

"Around 3,500 Canadian fires have enveloped about 2.3 million acres of land this year"
"In the U.S., close to 40,000 fires have torn through more than 3.6 million acres so far in 2026, including half a million acres in the last two weeks alone,"

And you beat us again at something! "wHy aRn'T yOu tHinNiNG?"

Threatening indexation annexation because you'll have a temporary inconvenience while the USA has never demonstrated you can manage your own fucking shit? lol. Unhinged.

When we got smoked by USA's wildfires, we sent water bombers and firefighters to help.
 
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"The claim is that Canada is neglegting the things it can and should control - thinning, fuel reduction, prescribed burns, etc."

And that is done of course every fucking years, but do you have any concept of the scale?

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And what is Canada's mere 41M peoples population map?

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Oh so the complete opposite of the boreal forest. To the surprise of no one.

Canada's boreal forest is the largest remaining intact forest ecosystem on Earth. Thinning that? There's no fucking road infrastructures. It's some of the most remote places on the planet. Even with the resources, how much thinning? It's the fucking lungs of the earth, It's the largest terrestrial carbon sink, it stores twice as much carbon per acre as tropical rainforests. You're incommoded with a slight orange tint in the sky and you want to put the axe in the lungs?

Fucking hell I guess UK has figured it all out uh? Chop everything down in the past hundreds years and have shrubs.

Canada does thinning yearly near populated areas and strategic areas. The conspirationists even took a photo of such thinning and thought that Canada was setting fire to the forests uncontrollably :rolleyes:

You can't realistically do much to thin the boreal forest, not at that kind of scale. USA cannot even do it with 300M+ more population and smaller forest areas. The entire population of Canada is roughly California's.

There will always be wildfires, lightning strikes (not PG&E power lines). Now the arctic is warming up faster than anywhere else on the planet.

Maybe we should remove as many cubic tons of potash exports to US farmers as the orange man wants to add to coal burning yearly. Get your shit together after all, you're top 3 responsible for this shift in temperatures, and in your own state up North too.

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As for how well you're doing of a job :




And you beat us again at something! "wHy aRn'T yOu tHinNiNG?"

Threatening indexation because you'll have a temporary inconvenience while the USA has never demonstrated you can manage your own fucking shit? lol. Unhinged.

When we got smoked by USA's wildfires, we sent water bombers and firefighters to help.

Those are good questions about forest management, but I'm not sure that it's fair to the millions impacted by the air quality every summer to just say "well it's too hard" or "it's too expensive" to do anything. Not cutting the emergency fire response budget in Ontario or cutting research at the federal level might be a good start, though.

And the wildfire response is a reciprocal thing. The US sends planes over to help Canada all the time.

In any event, I'm glad we were able to move on from "Americans think Canadians are starting the fires on purpose."
 
"The claim is that Canada is neglegting the things it can and should control - thinning, fuel reduction, prescribed burns, etc."

And that is done of course every fucking years, but do you have any concept of the scale?

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And what is Canada's mere 41M peoples population map?

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Oh so the complete opposite of the boreal forest. To the surprise of no one.

Canada's boreal forest is the largest remaining intact forest ecosystem on Earth. Thinning that? There's no fucking road infrastructures. It's some of the most remote places on the planet. Even with the resources, how much thinning? It's the fucking lungs of the earth, It's the largest terrestrial carbon sink, it stores twice as much carbon per acre as tropical rainforests. You're incommoded with a slight orange tint in the sky and you want to put the axe in the lungs?

Fucking hell I guess UK has figured it all out uh? Chop everything down in the past hundreds years and have shrubs.

Canada does thinning yearly near populated areas and strategic areas. The conspirationists even took a photo of such thinning and thought that Canada was setting fire to the forests uncontrollably :rolleyes:

You can't realistically do much to thin the boreal forest, not at that kind of scale. USA cannot even do it with 300M+ more population and smaller forest areas. The entire population of Canada is roughly California's.

There will always be wildfires, lightning strikes (not PG&E power lines). Now the arctic is warming up faster than anywhere else on the planet.

Maybe we should remove as many cubic tons of potash exports to US farmers as the orange man wants to add to coal burning yearly. Get your shit together after all, you're top 3 responsible for this shift in temperatures, and in your own state up North too.

it-s-a-blank-te_61447348.png


As for how well you're doing of a job :




And you beat us again at something! "wHy aRn'T yOu tHinNiNG?"

Threatening indexation because you'll have a temporary inconvenience while the USA has never demonstrated you can manage your own fucking shit? lol. Unhinged.

When we got smoked by USA's wildfires, we sent water bombers and firefighters to help.


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Canadian here. Super sad to see the smoke bothering our friends to the south.

I was very impressed by the comments from the US ambassador as well. Let's all hope this ends soon.

On a side note, it's been nearly constant rain here in Alberta. Flooding everywhere.
 
"The claim is that Canada is neglegting the things it can and should control - thinning, fuel reduction, prescribed burns, etc."

And that is done of course every fucking years, but do you have any concept of the scale?

o2Vs4yQBtUg6Rxf0.jpg


map2_e.jpg


And what is Canada's mere 41M peoples population map?

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Oh so the complete opposite of the boreal forest. To the surprise of no one.

Canada's boreal forest is the largest remaining intact forest ecosystem on Earth. Thinning that? There's no fucking road infrastructures. It's some of the most remote places on the planet. Even with the resources, how much thinning? It's the fucking lungs of the earth, It's the largest terrestrial carbon sink, it stores twice as much carbon per acre as tropical rainforests. You're incommoded with a slight orange tint in the sky and you want to put the axe in the lungs?

Fucking hell I guess UK has figured it all out uh? Chop everything down in the past hundreds years and have shrubs.

Canada does thinning yearly near populated areas and strategic areas. The conspirationists even took a photo of such thinning and thought that Canada was setting fire to the forests uncontrollably :rolleyes:

You can't realistically do much to thin the boreal forest, not at that kind of scale. USA cannot even do it with 300M+ more population and smaller forest areas. The entire population of Canada is roughly California's.

There will always be wildfires, lightning strikes (not PG&E power lines). Now the arctic is warming up faster than anywhere else on the planet.

Maybe we should remove as many cubic tons of potash exports to US farmers as the orange man wants to add to coal burning yearly. Get your shit together after all, you're top 3 responsible for this shift in temperatures, and in your own state up North too.

it-s-a-blank-te_61447348.png


As for how well you're doing of a job :




And you beat us again at something! "wHy aRn'T yOu tHinNiNG?"

Threatening indexation annexation because you'll have a temporary inconvenience while the USA has never demonstrated you can manage your own fucking shit? lol. Unhinged.

When we got smoked by USA's wildfires, we sent water bombers and firefighters to help.
Thanks for most of the info. It looks like most of the fires are in remote areas. It seems like we will be dealing with major smoke from the yearly Canadian wildfires probably for the rest of my life. can't say I will be looking forward to that.
 
Thanks for most of the info. It looks like most of the fires are in remote areas. It seems like we will be dealing with major smoke from the yearly Canadian wildfires probably for the rest of my life. can't say I will be looking forward to that.

The combination of a massive low pressure system and high-level winds is the main culprit compared to oh so many years of wildfires in the past. That kind of area burned happens every couple of years and I doubt most peoples who grew up near Canada or North-east US would say their summer was smoked every year. Right now in Quebec its blue sky which makes no sense since we're right next to Ontario and winds typically blows from the west. It's a very specific combination of events.

2023 was a record year for fires, but 1989, 1996, 2014 were the previous heavy hitters too much like 2026. It happens. 2023 surpassed US's 2020.


Californian wildfires was opposite when it happened. It went North.


This year though US is still ahead in area burned even with Canada's massive wildfire.
 
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The combination of a massive low pressure system and high-level winds is the main culprit compared to oh so many years of wildfires in the past. That kind of area burned happens every couple of years and I doubt most peoples who grew up near Canada or North-east US would say their summer was smoked every year. Right now in Quebec its blue sky which makes no sense since we're right next to Ontario and winds typically blows from the west. It's a very specific combination of events.

2023 was a record year for fires, but 1989, 1996, 2014 were the previous heavy hitters too much like 2026. It happens. 2023 surpassed US's 2020.


Californian wildfires was opposite when it happened. It went North.


This year though US is still ahead in area burned even with Canada's massive wildfire.
Yet somehow the average number of fires has decreased, but the average area burned has more than doubled.


DecadeAvg. Fires/YearAvg. Area Burned/Year (ha)Notable Characteristics
1980s~8,000~2.8M haHighly variable; several 5–7M ha years
1990s~7,500~3.0M haSimilar fire count; slightly higher burn area
2000s~7,000~2.0M haLowest burn decade; aggressive suppression + cooler summers
2010s~6,000~2.9M haLarge northern fires; more lightning‑driven events
2020s~5,500~7.0M haExtreme volatility; 2023 record 17.6M ha drives decade upward


  • 2020: 218k ha
  • 2021: 4.0M ha
  • 2022: 1.5M ha
  • 2023: 17.6M ha (record)
  • 2024: 5.3M ha
  • 2025: 8.4M ha


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And of course..

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EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin will be shocked to learn that Trump cares about air quality.

You ready to pay more because of smoke? Put 10000% Tariffs for all I care.

While a Canadian firefighter died helping fight the Colorado fires this week. Absolute tact as always :rolleyes:

"Unnecessarily invaded"... motherfucker thinks we control wind?

"the cost is incalculable"... :messenger_tears_of_joy: I mean cmon

He'll probably call Carney and ask him why don't we go with a shovel and a broom and sweep the floor of the biggest intact remove forest in the world, no understanding of real world or doing things your own that this nepo baby would yell his servants to do.

Also, he should look at his backyard? The burned area so far in 2026 in US is more than Canada's "willful negligence".

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I fucking can't with this timeline.
 
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Yet somehow the average number of fires has decreased, but the average area burned has more than doubled.


DecadeAvg. Fires/YearAvg. Area Burned/Year (ha)Notable Characteristics
1980s~8,000~2.8M haHighly variable; several 5–7M ha years
1990s~7,500~3.0M haSimilar fire count; slightly higher burn area
2000s~7,000~2.0M haLowest burn decade; aggressive suppression + cooler summers
2010s~6,000~2.9M haLarge northern fires; more lightning‑driven events
2020s~5,500~7.0M haExtreme volatility; 2023 record 17.6M ha drives decade upward


  • 2020: 218k ha
  • 2021: 4.0M ha
  • 2022: 1.5M ha
  • 2023: 17.6M ha (record)
  • 2024: 5.3M ha
  • 2025: 8.4M ha


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Now if something, a certain phenomena, could somehow explain that bigger areas are drier, decade after decade... a certain disruption.... hmmmmmm

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I guess we'll never know /s
 
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Now if something, a certain phenomena, could somehow explain that bigger areas are drier, decade after decade... a certain disruption.... hmmmmmm

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I guess we'll never know /s
Alberta ordered five DHC‑515 planes in February 2026 which will be delivered in 2031. These are the only water bombing planes ordered by any part of Canada over the past 20 years.

Though Ontario just announced they were buying 11 more today..


Canada's water‑bomber fleet has shrunk significantly over the last 40 years, falling from well over 100 dedicated water‑bombing aircraft in the mid‑1980s to roughly 60–70 today, depending on the season and provincial deployments. This decline is due to retirements of older aircraft (CL‑215s, Martin Mars), slow procurement of replacements, and increased reliance on contracted/leased aircraft.

YearEstimated Dedicated Water‑BombersKey Notes
1986100+CL‑215 fleets at peak; Martin Mars active
1996~90CL‑415 introduced; CL‑215 retirements begin
2006~80Modernization continues; Mars fleet reduced
2016~70CL‑215 mostly retired; CL‑415 production ends; Mars retires
2026~60–70Aging CL‑415 fleets; DHC‑515 not yet delivered; federal leased aircraft supplement



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You'd have to be some kinda genius to figure out you need to expand, not shrink your fire fighting fleets with the way the climate has swung.

I wonder how all that net zero is working out to balance out the amount of CO2 put out in the last week.
 
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https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2021/rncan-nrcan/Fo79-25-2021-eng.pdf

This Action Plan details the steps to achieve a bold, new future for wildland fire management
in Canada: by 2030, communities and infrastructure across Canada will be more resilient
to the threat and impacts of wildland fire. This will be achieved by transforming the focus of
wildland fire management from forestry centric to a whole-of-society perspective in which
all orders of government, Indigenous peoples, all sectors and individuals can participate
and coordinate efforts to effectively live with wildland fire through prevention, mitigation,
preparedness, response and recovery.

This document articulates a shared vision and collective commitment to wildland fire
resiliency on behalf of the Wildland Fire Management Working Group, while allowing for
each jurisdiction to tailor their individual contributions based on their distinctive needs.




Let's stop trying to prevent the fires from happening. And learn how to be resilient and live with the fires.
 
Alberta ordered five DHC‑515 planes in February 2026 which will be delivered in 2031. These are the only water bombing planes ordered by any part of Canada over the past 20 years.

Though Ontario just announced they were buying 11 more today..


Canada's water‑bomber fleet has shrunk significantly over the last 40 years, falling from well over 100 dedicated water‑bombing aircraft in the mid‑1980s to roughly 60–70 today, depending on the season and provincial deployments. This decline is due to retirements of older aircraft (CL‑215s, Martin Mars), slow procurement of replacements, and increased reliance on contracted/leased aircraft.

YearEstimated Dedicated Water‑BombersKey Notes
1986100+CL‑215 fleets at peak; Martin Mars active
1996~90CL‑415 introduced; CL‑215 retirements begin
2006~80Modernization continues; Mars fleet reduced
2016~70CL‑215 mostly retired; CL‑415 production ends; Mars retires
2026~60–70Aging CL‑415 fleets; DHC‑515 not yet delivered; federal leased aircraft supplement



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You'd have to be some kinda genius to figure out you need to expand, not shrink your fire fighting fleets with the way the climate has swung.

I wonder how all that net zero is working out to balance out the amount of CO2 put out in the last week.

"nOthInG wE cAn dO" as Alberta purchased $400M worth of DHC-515 earlier this year and basically every single provinces are on the list of production.

A lot of early production slots are fully committed to European Union partners, you know, actual partners. They also bought 45 of CL-415.

Maybe Canada should rug pull all the CL-415 and CL-215 being currently leased in USA right this very moment? Yea that's a fucking good idea. Been leasing them for decades, I think we need them all actually, all summer long. I think we can all agree to that. We have to act after all ASAP. That's a very immediate and easy action.

But the funniest thing in all this, you act as if you're in any fucking position to give lessons :messenger_tears_of_joy:

2026 hectares burned
Canada2,781,284.4
USA3,674,911.0

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What are you doing about it? With +300M more peoples and way more infrastructures than Canada, what's your excuse? Go in the forest and clean. Or as your POTUS said a few years ago, open the valve, what, are you stupid or something? He gave you the solution.

You also have explosive diarrhea to take care of please.
 
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"nOthInG wE cAn dO" as Alberta purchased $400M worth of DHC-515 earlier this year and basically every single provinces are on the list of production.

A lot of early production slots are fully committed to European Union partners, you know, actual partners. They also bought 45 of CL-415.

Maybe Canada should rug pull all the CL-415 and CL-215 being currently leased in USA right this very moment? Yea that's a fucking good idea. Been leasing them for decades, I think we need them all actually, all summer long. I think we can all agree to that. We have to act after all ASAP. That's a very immediate and easy action.

But the funniest thing in all this, you act as if you're in any fucking position to give lessons :messenger_tears_of_joy:

2026 hectares burned
Canada2,781,284.4
USA3,674,911.0

Be Quiet Season 5 GIF by Friends


What are you doing about it? With +300M more peoples and way more infrastructures than Canada, what's your excuse? Go in the forest and clean. Or as your POTUS said a few years ago, open the valve, what, are you stupid or something? He gave you the solution.

You also have explosive diarrhea to take care of please.
And those 40 years where the numbers of planes in service dropped? That should have been a number going up.

Carney's fart collector machine his family members are getting rich on better be working overtime to make up for these fires. The billions spent on it could have had a lot of planes flying and dropping water over the last few years.
 
Alberta ordered five DHC‑515 planes in February 2026 which will be delivered in 2031. These are the only water bombing planes ordered by any part of Canada over the past 20 years.

Though Ontario just announced they were buying 11 more today..




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Not being disingenuous would be a start.
 
Not being disingenuous would be a start.
We agree. The Canadians need to stop hand waving around the fact they haven't kept up with with current needs and have reduced fire prevention efforts. This is the fourth year in a row with these issues and only now are these purchases being scheduled.

The terrible year that was 2023 should have been a wake up call to adjust course. Instead there has been an increase in land burned each year going from 2024 -> 2025 -> 2026. 33% of the US's populate is in area this year affected by this smoking creating worse air than India and China.

Land Burned
  • 2020: 218k ha
  • 2021: 4.0M ha
  • 2022: 1.5M ha
  • 2023: 17.6M ha (record)
  • 2024: 5.3M ha
  • 2025: 8.4M ha

Percentage of the US population affected by smoke

YearEstimated % of U.S. Population AffectedSeverity
2015<5%Very low
2016<5%Very low
20175–10%Low
201810–15%Moderate
201910–15%Moderate
202015–20%Moderate
202120–25%Moderate–High
202215–20%Moderate
2023>50%Extreme
2024<25%Moderate
2025~35%Extreme
2026~33%Extreme


The data shows a clear upward trend in severe smoke events, with 2025 and 2026 representing back‑to‑back years where one‑third of Americans experienced unhealthy air from Canadian wildfires.
 
I suppose the smoke from the Camp Fire sees the border, and just turns around back to the US.
Canadians should be very upset with California's failed forestry management. Just like the rest of the US is upset with Canada's.

May difference is the US federal government is trying to change the policies and force improvement. Where it's the federal government's policies causing the issues in Canada's case.
 
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